OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #13

[RubyRed]

Behavior of Missing Oregon Boy Kyron Horman's Stepmom is "Unusual"

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/behavior-of-missing-oregon-boy-kyron-horman-s-stepmom-is-unusual


Stepmom Unfairly Implicated in Disappearance

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/kyron-horman-s-stepmom-unfairly-implicated-in-disappearance

 

[scandi]

Thank you for hearing me out. I do appreciate that so much.

Yes, the end of the year talent show was attended by parents and children and Kyron was to perform:

Schreiber said Kyron was supposed to perform in the school's talent show at 1 p.m. but she didn't see him there.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html

On Sunday, agents and officers interviewed parents and students who attended a science fair and talent show on Friday, searchers worked into the night.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/ground_search_resumes_this_mor.html


Just think about it, JBean... if SM had attended the talent show (and I would think that she would considering that she herself boasts of how active she is within the school), Kyron's disappearance would have been noted three hours early, while staff, parents, students, teachers were still on the grounds of the school. But, again, no one was alarmed that Kyron wasn't there for the talent show.

It wasn't negligence. The teacher wasn't alarmed about his absence. It if were negligence, she had numerous opportunities to see him missing. Gone for a drink of water? I don't buy that. She knew that he was not there, and she knew that he was not expected to be there. This is the detail that we don't have--the information she had that caused her not to be alarmed that he wasn't there.

Again, thanks for hearing me out.

ETA: There are elements that make me believe that this was premeditated, but I'll save that for later. I'll just say-- busy school, teachers preoccupied, parents preoccupied, someone had experience with events like this at the school, knew how it would be, and took advantage of the moment.

Hmmm, I usually agree with you 99% of the time Puff, but I don't think she was involved or 'in' on his murder. I think she had to leave school for a pre-arranged reason of some sort, flaked it off and let the parent stand-in take over.

But I am now thinking there were at least 2 people involved in Kyron's disappearance and death and have a strong feeling it was murder for hire. Y'all might think I'm crazy. I just don't think the teacher knew about it. xox IMO


ETA: OK, I just read the post above and could be wrong about the teacher. Heavens, I think we're getting pretty involved without a POI being named.

 

[BeanE]

I'm trying to find exact statements..

Did SM say she waved goodbye to Kyron from 150 ft away?

*If* SM told the teacher that there was an appointment then during the exchange between the sub and teacher I would expect her to say "oh Kyron is going to an appointment" as opposed to "maybe he went to get a drink of water". Anyone want to expand on this? Maybe you've got a different perspective.

SM did not say anything I know of about 150 feet. It was reported in a news article that came out right after the media was given a tour by LE of the school and Kyron's classroom that the point at which SM and Kyron parted was 150 feet from his classroom. The article did not provide the source of that information.

I've never seen anything where SM said anything about Kyron and a drink of water. A child reported in a videotaped interview that a teacher or substitute said that perhaps Kyron had gone to the bathroom or to get a drink of water.

The articles are in Kyron's media thread. You can search the thread for them. I'm pretty sure I pasted in both 150 feet and water, so you could use those as key words to search.

 

[Calliope]

BBM: The only time a child vanishes, and it is not called an abduction/taken/kidnapped is when the child is with his/her LEGAL gaurdian, as far as I know... not to sure...

ie. both my husband and I are my sons legal guardian... if my husband took him, and I did not know about it... it would not be called an abduction or kidnapping, he is with his dad who has legal custody of him.

am I making any sense at all??? LOL..

That's not true. The parent with legal custody can be charged with kidnapping too.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/parent/parent.htm

As an example, my daughter has custody of both her boys, dad has visitation rights. She is not allowed to leave the state with the boys without notifying dad, and if he objects, she can't go. If she did, it would be considered kidnapping. You'll see on that link there are custodial and noncustodial parents being sought for kidnapping their own children. At least one was a case where the parents weren't even divorced yet.

 

[JulieAnne]

We had a tragedy in our community recently - and I was so impressed with the accuracy of the sketch artists. The suspects were apprehended very quickly. It didn't take away from the tragedy, of course - but it got those monsters off the street.

If LE were to suspect some creepy guy - it seems as though they would be drawing pictures... a 300 student school is a very small school - 33 students per grade... my kids have gone to schools that size. You know every parent. No kidding, you see someone you don't know and you say "Which student are you here for?.... Suzie? Oh, she is such a sweetheart and so gifted! You're her Uncle? How nice you could come!"

Maybe they are talking about it locally - but around here - they ask for a lot of help - I am not seeing that here.

I have been so upset about this case. I had a meltdown about something totally minor last night - and then knew it was this case and that poor baby that should be home right now, playing with his hotwheels and eating ice cream. :cry:

 

[Sidley]

1. In my mind it is. I'm hesitant to trust information gleaned from a child whose parents sought out the media.

2. No, I think it's a red-flag behavior for the woman who was charged with his care-taking... a woman who is a stay-at-home-mom. The other parents are employed or live away from Portland. This parent lives two miles from the school and is unemployed, except for being a SAHM, which, in my opinion, IS a job, but it has a much looser schedule than, say a nurse, or police investigator, or intel employee.

The statements made by the child to the media also seemed unreliable to me because the teacher may never really have thought Kyron was in the bathroom or getting a drink, but she could have said this if she did not feel it was necessary/appropriate to share any more information with the other students about his absence, so she brushed it off and assumed the other children would not ask about Kyron again because of the excitement of the day. This is just my opinion.

 

[TopTop]

"The fair happened early Friday; Kyron was also scheduled to take part in the school talent show that afternoon, but he never made it there."


http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/06/clinging_to_hope_on_summers_cu.html

If the info regarding the talent show is in fact a fact then there are just toooo many coincidences. Why didn't anyone question why a child who was at school in the morning would not be there for the talent show???

 

[RubyRed]

Kyron Horman T-shirts available to get word out​

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_t-shirts_availabl.html​

 

[Krisy]

I think it's valid to assume that since the teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother earlier in the day and then noticed he wasn't there for class that she just assumed he left with her. Didn't have to be told. In any case, it doesn't matter since the school has no policy of notifying parents when their children are absent it doesn't matter why the teacher didn't say anything. They never do. They obviously weren't concerned and had no way of knowing that he would turn up missing.

I could totally see this happening. NOT that the teacher was to blame, just figured...well he was here WITH a parent so he must have just left with her.
Appointment, not feeling well, sad and wouldn't stay at school because he was upset she was leaving.....many reasons.

 

[human]

When my friend's child was kidnapped years ago never to be found, they told people to watch for crows or some other kinds of birds to be hovering over an area.

Aren't there those kinds of birds in Oregon?

I know it's grisly, but it would be something to watch for.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I don't think it was that big a deal, honestly. First of all, Kyron was unlikely to be performing a stand out piece in the talent show. The talent show was only an HOUR, but there are over 200 kids at the school. So very likely if he was going to be doing something, he'd be doing it with a bunch of other children. Secondly, Kyron is not an only child. Terri (SM) had already been to his science fair - I would be very surprised if more than a handful of parents managed to attend BOTH the science fair AND the talent show. And lastly, his bio mom and stepdad live five hours away, and his bio dad has a job. His stepmom has a young toddler and probably plenty of other things to do.

As far as I'm concerned not attending a school talent show is not indicative of anything other than realism.

I know this is hearsay from another blog site, of which this poster used to be a member here. Anyway, a parent from the school posted there and pretty much said the show was not a big event and it wasn't odd for parents not to be there. It was more for the students. HTH.

 

[TopTop]

I say stuff to my hubby all the time about dates or appointments and he is half listening to me and gets it all up side down. That is what I am trying to say, that maybe she was distracted and thought he had an appointment and was leaving with her, when she told the teacher it was for next week or Monday. Just a thought.

Possible....but what a friggin coincidence that all this happened on the day he went missing

 

[sofia76]

The talent show really did happen. Also, a note: there were TWO parts to the talent show - a performing arts piece and also a visual arts piece. If Kyron truly was expected to be in the talent show, perhaps it was showing off a visual arts piece, not a performance. Therefore, nothing to really come "see" as a parent because the parent would have already seen it.

But even if it were a performance piece, I could see skipping that ... going back and forth to school like that plus having a little one, plus the rest of life - that is a lot for one day.

 

[rosiebean]

I am a teacher of 30+ years experience, and I doubt this is the way it transpired unless school personnel would lie about it. As the teacher in a case where my student disappeared, and if I was being interviewd by my supervisors and LE about it, I believe I would be honest and forthcoming about how I came to notice and then mark that particular student absent that day. If I had dropped the ball and did not have verification, my negligence would be certainly be revealed and I think I would be relieved of my classroom as the investigation continued. Apparently that has not happened here. Teacher remains in her classroom to finish out the year and help those poor students try to make sense of a senseless situation, while she herself is no doubt devastated.

No, from what I know so far, it seems school personnel have not been blamed by any authorities as having been negligent in any way.

BBM

This is true.

Please note (not singling you out, just saying) that neither has any member of Kyron's family.

I mean, if the teacher would have been negligent, she would have been put on administrative leave, right?

And if the SM was obviously lying, she would have at the very least had LE be a little...er...lukewarm toward her, right? I mean, LE wouldn't be emphasizing that the family was cooperating, etc.?

So where are we?

Hardly anything is fact in this case. Kyron's friend said the sub/temp teacher noticed him missing and the regular teacher dismissed it, and some chose to latch onto this as fact and some dismiss it. Some anonymous poster who could be anyone said that Kryon's sm shouted across the crowded gym something about an appointment, and some chose to dismiss it and some latch onto it as fact. There are so many rumors, and so many of us are choosing to give credence to some rumors while dismissing others. This, I think, is why I have stayed out of this thread for the past few day. There are no facts, only speculation, and from what I can tell, LE has two theories based on their known facts...and those two theories are at odds...they seem to think either he got lost after wandering away or was taken by someone in the area, and the fact that they have two such opposing theories tells me that there aren't that many 'facts', sadly.

 

[BeanE]

Why are the comments made by a 7 yr. old classmate being taken as gospel but comments from others, quoted in the media, being treated as "unverified"? Have LE or the parents verified the 7 year olds comments? Has the teacher? Only thing I've seen is a school official saying the classmate was mistaken....if the only info that can be believed comes from LE or the parents, then we KNOW next to nothing.

Many have said they hope the SM doesn't ever see the unkind comments made about her.....I feel the same about Kyrons' teacher.

The only thing the school official said was not correct is that there were no substitutes at the school that day. However, it's well within the realm of reason that a 7yo child would use the word 'substitute' to indicate a volunteer.

Very significantly, no one - not one single person - has come forward and said that any other part of the child's story is untrue. The child's story has stood.

 

[TopTop]

Even in the confusion of a special day, at some point kids had to sit down for a head count, even if it was at the talent show. I used to teach at a Catholic high school. We had to walk down the street to the church and I always took roll before we left and after we got there, on the off-chance (ha!) that one of my seniors would try to take the afternoon off. So someone or several someones dropped the ball.

That's a great point about the talent show. It might be that no one could get off work or whatever for that event, although at times my dear retired husband gets drafted to go to events for his son's stepson (who looks a bit like Kyron and is about the same age) because his parents are both working. That would be a great question: who planned to come to Kyron's talent show?

Just wanted to say that I think it's wonderful that your hubbie goes to events for his son's stepson. Shows a great character!

 

[revampz]

did anyone read the astrological link of that opposing views link....

I am not right into that stuff...but yikes that was awful........that more or less points to the young camper......

Another thing I would like questions answered on.......exactly where he is?


I suppose none of us can really toss around anything more unless they let out new info....

however: one thing stands out and I am not accusing anyone but it is something that did happen that day which can be confirmed and is illogical...
and that is the marking of Kyron absent when he was seen by his teacher, his stepmother with him at the science fair..............plain and simple this needs to be explained by the police or the teachers involved.

and I think the teachers assuming he just left with her is wrong........I just cant see a teacher doing this......and as I recall werent the backpack and coat still there

 

[mamaeb]

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/203.htm
the talent show was on the calender for curious people

 

[pufnstuf]

When my friend's child was kidnapped years ago never to be found, they told people to watch for crows or some other kinds of birds to be hovering over an area.

Aren't there those kinds of birds in Oregon?

I know it's grisly, but it would be something to watch for.

Here, we call them buzzards... but they're actually turkey vultures. Do y'all have those up in Oregon?



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[bernie40]

hi all - I'm new here, but I live in Portland, Oregon and am very active in the parenting/family/education community here...I have become a little obsessed with this case, being a mother with young kids. For about 8 years, I have been encouraging every parent I know to read the book Protecting the Gift by Gavin deBecker (I'm sure many of you know of it) so we can keep our children safe without unnecessarily frightening them or taking away the fun/innocence of childhood. The schools here ARE very concerned about safety - they have a list of who can pick kids up, want visitors to register at the office, etc. (well, like a predator is going to register?) but IMO the reality of schools is that teachers have 20+ kids and it's hard to keep track of everyone ALL the time, and particularly on a busy day with a science fair and a talent show. Skyline Elementary is one of best schools around, lots of involved parents, highly qualified teachers, etc. I was confused reading the first reports we heard here - I read on OregonLive (our online version of the Oregonian newspaper) that the SM told the teacher (in a loud and crowded gym) that Kyron had an appointment, so the teacher thought nothing of not seeing Kyron later in the day - and when asked by LE later, SM said she told the teacher the appointment was for next week (what was the appointment, and was it this week?). I also read that SM emailed the teacher later that day to ask when "they" should come get the science fair project - that email also lead the teacher to believe he was with his SM. That was the teacher's story. I think she has been since "silenced" by LE, because now the original article is not on the site anymore. I didn't see SM's FB page or even know about her trip to the gym, etc. until reading here. I really don't want to think that the SM had ANYthing to do with this, as she seems like a concerned and loving mom, but it appears to some folks that SM did everything she could to ensure that the school would NOT be alarmed at Kyron's absence - it gave a LOT of time (between 9am -3:45pm) for whomever to get a head start. Of course SM could've done all those things innocently - as a parent I could see telling a teacher about an appointment that was to occur in the near future, and emailing later to ask a question (many teachers do check their email during the school day - at lunch, etc. but most check it after school, I think MOST communicate with parents this way - I have often let the school know about absences, appointments, things going on at home, etc. via email). I just can't imagine that Kyron wandered off aimlessly and got lost in the school or outside the school - he was obviously a bright child, and this is the end of the year - he had been going to this same classroom everyday since September - SM said she left him 25 feet from the classroom - a 7 year old doesn't get lost THAT easily. I hope he safe, I really do. Any way you look at this case it's awful - it seems that either a stranger came into a school hallway at 9am on a Friday morning and took the first kid he saw, or a family member is somehow responsible. Our whole city is EXTREMELY upset about this - we want this little boy home safe!!