OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #13

[SuziQ]

Hmm..Here's my question.

His stepmom didn't walk him to class, she just watched him walk to his classroom, right? And the stepmom had previously informed the teacher about his appointment, I think..

I'm just wondering if Kyron walked back to the classroom without his stepmom..If the teacher was actually inside the class and said something like 'Oh, Kyron, welcome back! I thought you had an appointment today? Did you forget something?'

At what time did the stepmom inform the teacher regarding the appointment?
In my opinion, NO ONE wants to be 'That lady who lost a child' ya know? The teacher must have been 100% certain Kyron would not be in school that day...

BBM. At which point Kyron thinks that he did forget something and runs off never to be seen again.

 

[Skully]

OK these are my 2 questions:

1. Why do some think that the teacher did not expect Kyron in class?

2.What is the significance of none of his 4 parents being at the talent show?

I think there was a mis- communication between SM and teacher due to distractions, and noise, you pick.

At the presser yesterday, one of the questions was "what kind of mood was Kyron in that morning" and the LE answered, he was excited about his project and the science fair. I don't recall him saying that he was excited to be in the talent show, but we can go back and listen I guess. I don't think he was in the show, I think the class may have been going to watch the kids in the talent show.

 

[gwenabob]

If he wakes up early, he may consider 9am late morning...

Policework is a 24 hour job. They use military time. For them, morning starts at 12:00 am, and ends at 12:00 pm. Using this criteria, 9:00 would be 3/4 of the way through the morning, certainly "late morning."

 

[TopTop]

If it is a person associated with the school, maybe they are waiting for school to finish up (Tuesday) before they make an arrest, to not disrupt the students anymore than what has already happened.

Someow I doubt LE would allow a guilty person be around children in order not to disturb the rest of the school year. Parents would be after them for the kill!!

 

[JBean]

1. In my mind it is. I'm hesitant to trust information gleaned from a child whose parents sought out the media.

2. No, I think it's a red-flag behavior for the woman who was charged with his care-taking... a woman who is a stay-at-home-mom. The other parents are employed or live away from Portland. This parent lives two miles from the school and is unemployed, except for being a SAHM, which, in my opinion, IS a job, but it has a much looser schedule than, say a nurse, or police investigator, or intel employee.

1. I tend to agree with you.
2. OK. I thought someone said it was a big deal and as such I would think all a parents would be there. So maybe it wasn't that critical. I can see why some would wonder about this, but it still doesn't get me too excited. Oh also, do we know if this was something that parents typically attend? or is it for students?
Thanks Puf.

 

[pufnstuf]

Well, it would convince me, that's for sure.

Me, too.

 

[joshiesmom]

I know it hasn't been "officially" confirmed that Kyron was supposed to be in the 1pm talent show. It has been said all along however. If he was supposed to be in it, what was he going to perform?

It has been said that he's a very quiet boy, timid etc. I wonder if he was particularly nervous about the talent show that day? Could he have went somewhere to hide and gotten lost or by chance came into contact then with the person who took him? He's used to being outdoors, it was said that he fishes etc. He would feel comfortable outdoors, would he go outside to get out of the talent show?

I hear what you're saying, but the talent show wasn't to start until 1pm and the kids hadn't finished going to see the science exhibits yet (assuming he disappeared around 9am), so why would he have gone outside so early in the morning to hide?

I wonder if someone he knew approached him and said something along the lines of, "Hey Kyron, I've got a really cool electric exhibit. Would you help me bring it into the school?" And then he followed the person & disappeared.

I wish they could find him. Even if he's not alive, as I fear he isn't, I think it would be less painful to know that fact than to have to sit and wonder if he maybe is alive somewhere and being hurt. That would be what destroyed me, I think, if this happened to one of my kids, and my heart is so heavy for Tony & Desiree.

 

[Calliope]

Why are the comments made by a 7 yr. old classmate being taken as gospel but comments from others, quoted in the media, being treated as "unverified"? Have LE or the parents verified the 7 year olds comments? Has the teacher? Only thing I've seen is a school official saying the classmate was mistaken....if the only info that can be believed comes from LE or the parents, then we KNOW next to nothing.

Many have said they hope the SM doesn't ever see the unkind comments made about her.....I feel the same about Kyrons' teacher.

true, that's why I said "if" what he said is what actually happened...

I doubt we'll ever hear what really happened that day

 

[TopTop]

One way would have been for him to visit the bathroom if this was near the end of the tour. It would be easy for the adult chaperon to say "okay, meet us back in your classroom." If the chaperone was leaving the school after the science fair tour, then it would be easy for one kid to slip through the cracks.

As for no one seeing him leave the school, that's not too surprising. People don't usually see everything in their environment; they note the general characteristics and then note things that don't fit that general concept/picture. If he left the school willingly in the company of an adult, I think most people would overlook it because that fits so perfectly into the general idea of things that are normal to see at school.

I was thinking...I have previously said that someone must have seen something but when I am at my kids school I 'see' many kids without really seeing them. I walk by many but couldn't really tell you who they are unless it's a child I happen to know well.

If someone asked me if I saw a specific kid I may not really know.

 

[Amster]

true, that's why I said "if" what he said is what actually happened...

I doubt we'll ever hear what really happened that day

I'm afraid you're right...

 

[Bee Charmer]

In many cases certain things are held back by LE, imo the supposed "appointment" COULD be one of those critical things.

And with that, I am off to finish watching the Tony awards. Thanks for a great discussion today everyone!!!

 

[BeanE]

No. I mean who has authority over a child? Who has the right to take when he/she sees fit?
Who has the right to say to a teacher... this child is coming with me today?

Remember, apparently the teacher was not alarmed about Kyrons absense.

So it only makes sense the teacher bowed to someone who could legally say they we doing so. So, she marked him absent - as she should.

We'd have to look at that specific school, because that school's security policies and practices are appallingly lax.

 

[Reannan]

The baby was often at school events with stepmom...from carry-around-baby age to toddler-age.

She was with SM when she read to Kyron's class. She was with SM when Kyron did his bridge presentation. She was with SM when SM helped kids plant sunflowers in their little pots in their classroom for mother's day.


I still go back to the "we" on Kaine's letter. However, I do wonder if he was taking care of the baby while SM was to be at the science fair and the talent show. I do continue to wonder if he took the day off, or if he was at work when Kyron was discovered missing. I wonder if she claims to have missed the talent show because she was running errands and it slipped her mind.

All speculation or information after reading a huge amount of stuff hither and yon. Probably not worth two cents. =/

I respectfully disagree - I think your vantage point is worth a lot more than two cents. Just my :twocents: :innocent:

 

[Skully]

Got to get to bed, hope tomorrow brings good news for Kyron and his family. Still praying someone has him and he is alive and may be found. Night all.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

The only time you will hear this is by rumor on some site or at the time of a n arrest.

I am sure that these teachers are under a gag rule issued by the school district. As a matter of fact, I am sure that all of the school employees are under a gag rule.

This is a criminal investigation and no one can comment that may be involved with info of that day, I am sure.

I am not sure what they do about the parents who have info.

I don't know if LE has told them that they can get them for obstruction of justice if they talk or not. I am not a lawyer,, so I don't know.

I just know as a school district employee where I live, there have been instances-nothing like this-and we have been told that we are not to speak.

We have been told that the school district liaison will do all of the talking.

I agree.we won't hear it.It's a criminal investigation.We will be hearing not just No Comment.We will be hearing It's an ongoing investigation.That's why they can't answer things.I hear it alot and I'm sick of hearing about Gag orders LOL.But they are needed sometimes.

 

[LMax]

Someow I doubt LE would allow a guilty person be around children in order not to disturb the rest of the school year. Parents would be after them for the kill!!

True, unless it is a spouse of an employee, volunteer or someone who is usually not at school.

 

[eyes4crime]

The baby was often at school events with stepmom...from carry-around-baby age to toddler-age.

She was with SM when she read to Kyron's class. She was with SM when Kyron did his bridge presentation. She was with SM when SM helped kids plant sunflowers in their little pots in their classroom for mother's day.


I still go back to the "we" on Kaine's letter. However, I do wonder if he was taking care of the baby while SM was to be at the science fair and the talent show. I do continue to wonder if he took the day off, or if he was at work when Kyron was discovered missing. I wonder if she claims to have missed the talent show because she was running errands and it slipped her mind.

All speculation or information after reading a huge amount of stuff hither and yon. Probably not worth two cents. =/

BBM

How wonderful of step-mom to donate her time to read, plant sunflowers, and to listen to Kyron's 'bridge' presentation. Maybe all that took place when baby girl wasn't sleeping. She really does seem to be a wonderful advocate for children doesn't she? Doesn't surprise me one bit that she has her degree in in teaching. moo mho and all that stuff

 

[Emma Peel]

Please don't shoot me, I am the one that keeps saying it was the Perfect Storm, but really, is it possible that there was mis-communication between the two woman? It was a busy day, I can't believe with all the running around, people in halls, extra people coming and going, asking teaches questions, where to put things, all that and more, that just maybe, SM said something about an appointment and someone else was half listening or someone else was hard of hearing, and it just got mis communicated? I think you have a great study here and great theory, but people make mistakes....

Absolutely Bern!

You're right - that would make the Perfect Storm for a perp who just happened to lure the very kid the teachers did not expect back in the classroom. A perp that won the lottery that day. I just started to think about the odds and got all mathy on myself. LOL.

But, to your Perfect Storm we could add a separated from his class/wandering around school Kyron. In the wrong place & time at the Electricity exhibits. Forgetting something from the car and running out to retreive it. Helping someone out by carrying stuff in. We don't know.

I have to believe that LE long ago examined this communication and the understandings in the minds of both teacher and parent because that breach is so important. They also examined Kyron's mind as well (profile).

On the basis of those same interviews (and others) there was a reason LE launched the SAR mission & issued missing & endangered status for a week.

Something new has come to light and now we have a criminal investigation. But still no warning issued for a predator on the loose...

What came to light? Evidence? Interview inconsistencies? Is the changed direction due to post-interview fact-checking that did not add up? Did the right tip finally come in?

I guess I'm in a math mood today, Bern. Exercising my woman's perogative, that could change tomorrow.

 

[redfish]

To the person who posted about the rumor of someone who worked at the school but was not staff....

What could that mean? Even cooks, bus drivers, and janitors are considered staff aren't they?

How bout a Big Brothers/Big Sisters person? I know they come to our school. ETA - they just hang with their little for an hour - playing games, shooting baskets, whatever they want to do really.

Someone may have already brought this up, but didn't we hear that the kids were talking about a substitute teacher the first day? No, this was not confirmed by LE but nothing that the kids said was confirmed. They also were discussing a creepy man?? Maybe he wasn't teaching that day but came out to see the exhibits...... works there but not on staff?

 

[Wendy101]

Many of the public feel a specific way about this case. Many many. One only has to read the comments on the news websites to see that an overwhelming percentage of people feel a specific way.

LE needs the public's help to solve this case. They've been begging the public to send in tips.

So far, LE hasn't said the word "abducted", haven't even HINTED that this child was TAKEN except to say it's a criminal investigation. And where's the Amber Alert?

I just wish they would publicly announce that they have cleared the people who last saw Kyron. It would really help the investigation. The public would stop thinking one way and start thinking another. And then maybe, just maybe, they might start thinking about their day on June 4th in a different way and might remember things that they didn't think were relevant.

BBM: The only time a child vanishes, and it is not called an abduction/taken/kidnapped is when the child is with his/her LEGAL gaurdian, as far as I know... not to sure...

ie. both my husband and I are my sons legal guardian... if my husband took him, and I did not know about it... it would not be called an abduction or kidnapping, he is with his dad who has legal custody of him.

am I making any sense at all??? LOL..