OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #14

[eyes4crime]

The security tapes were requested for both June 3 and June 4. I believe that they are being used to check up on the travel route of a POI. Perhaps the POI said, oh, I was picking up a load of hay at 9am on the 4th, and the hay store owner said, that hay was purchased on the 3rd, etc.

Good point! Or maybe the person has a couple routes to get to the same place. moo

 

[Amster]

The teacher in question is still in the classroom as far as we know. If she is such an incompetent, uncaring, frazzled mess as some are suggesting, I think she'd be on leave or fired. We have no idea what she was told, when she took roll, if she did or didn't try to call SM or notify the office. Why isn't she off limits for casting blame and insinuations? Maybe, just maybe she is also a victim.

 

[Pensfan]

She was holding Terri's hand in the PC yesterday.

Thank you for this info. Do you have a link?

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Sorry...Ok so Tanner said he so Kyron's mom leave without Kyron. Tanner said the sub noticed Kyron not with the rest of kids upon return to classroom. Tanner also said Kyron was in school for about an hour???? And when did this hour start and end?

This is in NO WAY bashing Tanner, but little kids have such a difficult time really understanding how much time has elapsed. Could he have seen Kyron setting up his project and thought that was the hour? Could he have seen Kyron for a few minutes and not have a good grasp of time? These are 7 year olds. As much as I love little kids, they often confuse fantasy, reality, and what they "expect" to see. They are in no way lying or being misleading -- they believe what they say. But I would question the accuracy of a 2nd graders account.

 

[LotsaLatte]

Would be extremely surprised if SM (Terri) were a POI. I imagine that she has thoroughly accounted for her whereabouts and the LE are satisfied. Otherwise, why would mom Desiree be holding her hand during that PC? I for damn sure wouldn't be holding the hand of the person responsible for my child when he disappeared if she had a weak alibi!

BBM - I totally agree that I would not be holding the hand of someone that could have harmed my child. OR maybe I would be holding it VERY firmly letting them know that they were going nowhere until I was done with them. As well, LE is very tight lipped on this and may not be telling even the closest to Kyron everything. I feel they may very well have a POI but really want and need info to solidify any move they make toward accusations/arrest. Kyron grabbed all of our hearts.
I am not trying to imply that I believe that any family member did anything. Because I simply do not know as I don't have all the information. I believe that they are being very thorough and are not willing to risk letting anyone get away with bringing harm to Kyron.

 

[mhughessc]

It's almost like there's a 'Duhhh' *facepalm* right there... a no brainer, if you will, but yet, it didn't raise any flags... I'm right there with you, Twzzlrgirl.

If a child shows up to class (even if it's for 2 minutes to put down a coat and bookbag) then magically disappears for an extended amount of time, I have to say, more than red flags would go off for me. Just.. odd... here sits their "stuff" but where in the world are they, where'd they go!? Even returning from lunch and STILL no child ... Idk.... strange, imo.

First post here -- I'm a teacher at a very small private school of about 200 students. Whenever we have special events, almost all the parents show up, everybody knows and likes everybody, etc. Let's say we're having a half-day event, like our recent kickball tournament. What if I didn't see Child A leave, but another parents says, "Oh, Child A just left with Mom." I would say, "Okay" and then probably never think of it again, even if their bookbag or jacket was still there. I would assume they left it and will get it tomorrow.

Perhaps the teacher was told, "Oh, I just saw Kyron leave with his Stepmom" even though that wasn't true. That's the only reason she might have marked him absent and then never thought of it again.

I think the teacher made an honest mistake, and more than likely feels completely devastated. The only good thing about this case is that hopefully it will make teachers and schools everywhere more aware about what is going on in their schools.

I know that from now on, if I don't see something with my own eyes, I will call and find out for myself!

 

[carole]

:cat:
I have asked this before, why has LE waited so long to request video's from stores and pictures that any one may have taken at the science fair??????? Am I the only one asking this question, so far I have not gotten an answer. :banghead:

Maybe this is to let the adbuctor know that their time is getting short - as in we are closing in on you, you've made a mistake. To see if there's any change in demeanor of the abductor.

Or LE may be hoping to get even more pics/videos. JMO.

 

[DairyGirl]

Please rewatch the video.
I cannot find anywhere during the press conference where Desiree held Terri’s hand. It was Terri putting her arm around Desiree. Desiree stood as frozen as an icicle holding her stomach as if she was going to vomit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huW1p1RovQY

This video shows when the couples actually walked into the room and Desiree was not holding Terri’s hand at that point either.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Media/parents-missing-kyron-horman-hope/story?id=10891582

I believe they were talking about the pc yesterday. Stepmother was definately holding the mom's hand.

 

[Forensic fan]

The teacher in question is still in the classroom as far as we know. If she is such an incompetent, uncaring, frazzled mess as some are suggesting, I think she'd be on leave or fired. We have no idea what she was told, when she took roll, if she did or didn't try to call SM or notify the office. Why isn't she off limits for casting blame and insinuations? Maybe, just maybe she is also a victim.

Or maybe they just let her finish the year and she won't be back next year.

 

[I AM THE 14 CAR]

EXACTLY what my district admin friend was asking me! WHEN was the roll call done? Was the school considered open at the regular time that day? If so, they should have had roll call. If the official day was later because of the special event, then roll call would be taken later.

Every school Ive ever encountered has a "cut off time" that determines if you are counted absent or present. In most cases, its 10:00AM.

Example: be to school at 10AM or before & youre counted present (whether you leave later or not) - doesnt matter & the 2 times are never compared.
OR....stay at school until AFTER 10am (you are counted present) -- then you can leave. 10:00am being the key time (roll time) - Alot of people schedule dr. appts. AFTER 10am - so their kids are counted as present.
You are "tardy" up until 9:59am.


Hope that makes sense.....

 

[twzzlrgirl]

First post here -- I'm a teacher at a very small private school of about 200 students. Whenever we have special events, almost all the parents show up, everybody knows and likes everybody, etc. Let's say we're having a half-day event, like our recent kickball tournament. What if I didn't see Child A leave, but another parents says, "Oh, Child A just left with Mom." I would say, "Okay" and then probably never think of it again, even if their bookbag or jacket was still there. I would assume they left it and will get it tomorrow.

Perhaps the teacher was told, "Oh, I just saw Kyron leave with his Stepmom" even though that wasn't true. That's the only reason she might have marked him absent and then never thought of it again.

I think the teacher made an honest mistake, and more than likely feels completely devastated. The only good thing about this case is that hopefully it will make teachers and schools everywhere more aware about what is going on in their schools.

I know that from now on, if I don't see something with my own eyes, I will call and find out for myself!

I am actually not blaming the teacher, or any one person at the school. I do believe she is devastated. I'm more baffled by how it all transpired. There had to be, again, some pretty good planning (or the perp got pretty damn lucky) with the number of things that went wrong that day.

It's just one more indicator to me that there are so many opportunistic sickos out there, and watching out for our kids has to be a top priority.

And I agree...as a teacher I'm going to be vigilant after this about marking kids absent and making sure parents are notified. Good point

 

[Cher352]

I'm wondering if LE reviewed video and pictures taken by all the Science Fair attendees? Kyron may have been caught on other folks' cameras... I'm praying hard for this little guy.

Thank you all for your efforts on his behalf, and I absolutely love the tree frog tributes!!

Especially the "Electric One" that he told Tanner he was going to see. Who was around that one and did they see Kryon?

For that matter do we even know if there was an Electric one, if not that could be a clue in it's self.

 

[carole]

Would you still feel that way if you desperately wanted to find your child and only this person knew where he was?

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

 

[sofia76]

All of the people hinting at SM - it seems like all the reasons she is being looked at (apart from her demeanor in two PCs, which some people find suspect) point just as easily to the teacher being involved. I agree teacher marking him absent even though she'd seen his display there and seen him there earlier (link?) is the biggest puzzle to me. Especially with all this stuff about her being very close to the mom and the school bring like a family. Of course hindsight is 20/20. Maybe she was more distracted than usual and just wasn't thinking straight - and forgot about about Kyron.

I just think that surely, there would have to be some instance in which a teacher would become alarmed when a child didn't return to class.

 

[raeann]

The teacher in question is still in the classroom as far as we know. If she is such an incompetent, uncaring, frazzled mess as some are suggesting, I think she'd be on leave or fired. We have no idea what she was told, when she took roll, if she did or didn't try to call SM or notify the office. Why isn't she off limits for casting blame and insinuations? Maybe, just maybe she is also a victim.

Thank you, and good logic. The bottom line here is that this school states that they have an average of somewhere around 20 students per day absent. Therefore, logic says that somewhere between 15 and 25 students were absent that day. The school policy says that NONE of the parents were contacted about those absences, and that none of those parents had to contact the school office or teacher to offer any explanation of those absences, so we can assume that none of them did so.

 

[TheCynic]

The more I think about it, the more I believe that Kyron got separated from his friends/school and someone used the opportunity to abduct him. If the doors locked from the outside, maybe he walked out and couldn't get back in, and someone came across him while he was alone.

None of the other alternatives make any sense to me. If it were SM, how does that explain the absence? Did she tell the teachers she was taking him out of school that day? If she did, and the teacher told this to LE, they would have known immediately she was lying when she expected him to return on the bus. And if the child witness' memory is accurate, then the teacher appeared not to have an explanation for where Kyron was. The SM would have expected them to be looking for him, would she not? How would she (or anyone who pre-planned this) know that his absence would just be overlooked? It doesn't make sense. I personally think it was an opportunistic crime.

 

[carole]

All of the people hinting at SM - it seems like all the reasons she is being looked at (apart from her demeanor in two PCs, which some people find suspect) point just as easily to the teacher being involved. I agree teacher marking him absent even though she'd seen his display there and seen him there earlier (link?) is the biggest puzzle to me. Especially with all this stuff about her being very close to the mom and the school bring like a family. Of course hindsight is 20/20. Maybe she was more distracted than usual and just wasn't thinking straight - and forgot about about Kyron.

I just think that surely, there would have to be some instance in which a teacher would become alarmed when a child didn't return to class.

But we are assuming the teacher did not become alarmed. She may have been alarmed and reported to the office. What transpired after he was reported absent/missing has not been reported.

 

[lightlady]

http://www.kptv.com/news/23896847/detail.html

Divers searching river..

 

[Emma Peel]

Why the turn against members of law enforcement, retired or otherwise?

I appreciate the perspective of people who have invested the majority of their lives protecting the public, investigating and solving crimes. They have experience that, to my knowledge, NONE of us at WS have.

I don't think that a seasoned profiler's or retired detective's words should be totally discounted simply because somewhere on the internet someone claims that the person has had addiction problems.

To my knowledge, none of them recently in the media have accused anyone. They've only said that the family should be scrutinized, and they've given their experiences in other cases as well as what the statistics often bear out.

And I think it's probably the case that the media sought them out for their opinions, not vice versa. I appreciate their perspective, whether I agree with it or not.

Hey now! :cop:

Where's the turn against members of law enforcement, retired or otherwise?

Oh, and how great would it be to have actual 30-year retired LE input here on our threads, who have no personal (media-promotion-related) agenda sharing with us than some of these folks that blur the line between analysis and entertainment?

IMO, I felt a little taken aback watching the video of this particular "expert". Granted, it was just a sound bite. But he characterized his expertise as experiential from when he was on the force, dealing with "homicides and kidnappings and stuff". I don't know why. It was just a weird clip, IMO. The article was not balanced, the whole point of the article seemed to be to cast suspicion on the family. IMO, the paper might have been spanked for it, because we haven't seen that sort of reporting since... LOL.

Anyway, after the newsclip, two locals got on the thread and called Jenson (not my words - their words) "a known local media ".

That was even weirder. So I looked the guy up.

Here's what I found, as did many others - way back along thread 8. FWIW.

Below is from my posts back in thread 8.

CW Jensen - wiki summary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._W._Jensen

CW Jensen as realtor - broker & sales manager for wyatt townhomes, portland
http://www.condo-living-west.com/portland/wyatt.html

CW Jensen as tv reporter and infomercial guy and real estate
http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/C._W._Jensen

CW Jensen as actor
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0421364/

CW Jenson - editorial in portland weekly newsy supports wiki info
http://wweek.com/editorial/3018/4872/

okay, done now. Except to say, I am guilty of high grading (for myself) the "experts" that media tries to shove down my throat on these cases. If said "experts" are compelling - making me think a little, I usually check out their bios. If not, I kinda ignore them. Caveat emptor! :angel:

 

[carole]

http://www.kptv.com/news/23896847/detail.html

Divers searching river..

Oh no.............