OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #14

[kgeaux]

I'm thinking maybe the teacher did get up and go find out where Kyron was and possibly found out.

Tanner said that after the students got back to the class, a "substitute" mentioned Kyron's absence, was reassured by the teacher, and the article attached mentions that the substitute then said "Ok, well, I guess I'm going now." (Can't remember if I actually heard Tanner say this!) So the substitute left the classroom quickly after the children were back in the classroom. That left the teacher alone with the students, presumably, since there has been no mention of any other adult remaining in the room. Surely if the teacher left the class unattended for any amount of time, this would have come up by now. LE has interviewed, in their words, "many, many of the students."

Also if the teacher did leave the room and discover where Kyron was, then we've got just a few, very narrow possibilities. She could've found out that the child left with SM, but LE has said the family is fully cooperating, so that is more than likely NOT to have happened. The teacher could have found out some other person took Kyron or hurt Kyron and just decided to keep quiet about it, but that isn't likely, IMO. Maybe the teacher discovered Kyron and did something herself? She must be a very talented or very lucky criminal since the school has been searched more than once.

I'm not really sure where you were going with your idea, and of course you have a right to form your own opinions, but it seems rather improbable to me that the students could have been left alone for any period of time and not one kid mentioned it to LE!

Respectfully shortened. Remember that there is an 18 month old child in this home. If something "happened" and there wasn't LE presence at this home, the public would crucify the FBI and Sheriff's Office. (Reasoning=One child is already "gone"; don't risk the life of another even if it might only be a 50% chance. Read profile involving filicide.)

I remember the baby! I did read through much of the content of the links you posted, but I still don't see that any of the information has any bearing on this case! You seem to be suggesting that the officer is in the home (if indeed he is still there) for one or both of the following reasons: to protect the baby, or to prevent a suicide based on profiles about fathers who murder their children. Since there is no evidence at all that Kyron's father was anywhere but at work that morning, since he hasn't been named as a POI or suspect, I guess I'm just not getting the connection. IF Le thought the baby was in danger, from mom OR dad, they simply have to call child services to remove the child from the home. Way cheaper than having an officer remain in the home all day every day.....since we know that "liason" officers do exist, I find it way, way simpler to believe that the officer is (or was) in the home in that capacity.

I've said this before...I don't believe it was the SM. We all need to remember Jaycee Duggard's SD, and Kevin Fox. Good Lord, the hell these two must have gone through: losing a child and then being accused. Very, very sad.

Plus, especially with younger children, it's extremely likely that a parent was the last person to see them. It's common sense...not something that should lead to a suspicion of guilt.

You are right. I'm still kinda confused about who actually saw Kyron last, especially after re-watching one of the first pressers in which the Sheriff states that Kyron was last seen in the "late morning hours" which sounds like way later than 9AM to me! I wonder if they previously thought they had a later siting and discounted it?

 

[DairyGirl]

Corn-something Pass?

Cornelius Pass

 

[strawberry]

Is there another press conference scheduled for today?

They had one...just to say the search is being scaled back and is now a criminal investigation. And to thank donators.

 

[eyes4crime]

Here is Puff's great 'all-in-one' map - all places identified with addresses.
Case map:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en...0795a&t=h&z=10

 

[Jules71]

Oh my gosh - I am so sad Kyron has not been found and in trying to catch up (I missed all of the previous thread and up to this point in this thread) I read they sent all out of area searchers home and have now classified this as a criminal investigation because of the length of time that's passed - is that correct? Any other new information? How devastating for everyone involved. Where are you sweet Kyron?

ETA: And a $25k reward.

 

[freefallzzzz]

You were almost right, Cornelius Pass. Thanks

If you are a local, we shorten it up to Corn Pass a lot, I may have typed that a few times and that's where you got the Corn part =)

 

[carole]

I'd like to hear it, I believe if SM did nothing there is nothing for her to fear.

If she is not involved she will be or already has been cleared, although why we have not heard that from LE puzzles me.

IMO, LE wants to give the abductor abolutely no information.

Except, of course, they are not backing down from finding Kyron and what happened to him.

 

[Billylee]

Waaay back in one of the first threads someone said they saw some sort of calendar in the picture of Kyron in his classroom. Does anyone remember that. Whoever posted that said they thought the calendar said said the 3rd not the 4th. Can someone link to what they're referring to? I never did see it and have been wondering about that ever since.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

They had one...just to say the search is being scaled back and is now a criminal investigation. And to thank donators.

They did not mention the dive team and divers today.

 

[PDXMom]

Corn-something Pass?

Cornelius Pass

 

[lilcatt]

:cat:
I thought I read some where on one of the threads that the school said there were no subs working that day. Do they know who the Sub was Tanner was talking about. Does anyone remember the statement.

 

[indicat]

Unless the TOS changed while I was away doing a load of laundry and vacuuming the floors, no, as WS remains a victim friendly forum. We are not supposed to accuse any one who has not been named a POI. I believe this even includes RSO and others, not just the SM.

jmoo

I guess I just dont get on much anymore since the Caylee Anthony and Haleigh Cummings cases, where much was discussed. I can see a fine line but there are some questions, it's natural in this situation. I think as long as there are Stephanie Sloops in this world there will always be.

 

[sofia76]

Waaay back in one of the first threads someone said they saw some sort of calendar in the picture of Kyron in his classroom. Does anyone remember that. Whoever posted that said they thought the calendar said said the 3rd not the 4th. Can someone link to what they're referring to? I never did see it and have been wondering about that ever since.

I don't have a large enough picture of Kyron in class to see any dates, but if the date said June 3, my explanation for that would simply be that class hadn't started yet, so the teacher hadn't updated the date written on the board yet.

 

[Calliope]

So let me get this straight...

With the first press conference, people threw stones at sm because the two moms were distant, sm hugged mom and mom was "disgusted", etc. So in next appearance before a presser, mom reaches out to sm and now they're throwing stones at sm because mom is 'keeping her enemy closer'.

WTH???

Seriously. This tells me two things... that no matter what she does (or doesn't do) people are going to continue to vilify this woman, even if she does do what they seem to demand of her and even more importantly IMO... the family should have never agreed to appear before the press.

 

[For The Kids]

If this is not an appropriate question, please remove, mods.
Was bio mom due to pick Kyron up later that evening, the day Kyron went missing for a weekend visitation?

Aparently yes

 

[indicat]

So let me get this straight...

With the first press conference, people threw stones at sm because the two moms were distant, sm hugged mom and mom was "disgusted", etc. So in next appearance before a presser, mom reaches out to sm and now they're throwing stones at sm because mom is 'keeping her enemy closer'.

WTH???

Seriously. This tells me two things... that no matter what she does (or doesn't do) people are going to continue to vilify this woman, even if she does do what they seem to demand of her and even more importantly IMO... the family should have never agreed to appear before the press.

I think we live in a world where because of certain outcomes suspision is natural and is going to happen, people have their opinions, we all do.

 

[raeann]

Waaay back in one of the first threads someone said they saw some sort of calendar in the picture of Kyron in his classroom. Does anyone remember that. Whoever posted that said they thought the calendar said said the 3rd not the 4th. Can someone link to what they're referring to? I never did see it and have been wondering about that ever since.

Its in the frog project picture taken in the classroom. It appears to be the board where the teacher writes up the date during their calendar time, etc. Since it was way before school when the picture was taken, it would have been what they wrote up there the day before. Class had not started, so they would have changed it later during their morning work, most likely.

Some have implied that means the picture was taken on the third, but that would mean that all the other kids/parents were in on the deception by bringing in all of their projects early to set them up in the background. It would also mean that Kyron wore the same clothes two days in a row. Neither of these fit a logical thought process at all.


jmoo

 

[sofia76]

I totally agree. If my child went missing, I wouldn't give a flying fig what the public thought of me because that would just be time wasted.

So let me get this straight...

With the first press conference, people threw stones at sm because the two moms were distant, sm hugged mom and mom was "disgusted", etc. So in next appearance before a presser, mom reaches out to sm and now they're throwing stones at sm because mom is 'keeping her enemy closer'.

WTH???

Seriously. This tells me two things... that no matter what she does (or doesn't do) people are going to continue to vilify this woman, even if she does do what they seem to demand of her and even more importantly IMO... the family should have never agreed to appear before the press.

 

[mamaeb]

Waaay back in one of the first threads someone said they saw some sort of calendar in the picture of Kyron in his classroom. Does anyone remember that. Whoever posted that said they thought the calendar said said the 3rd not the 4th. Can someone link to what they're referring to? I never did see it and have been wondering about that ever since.

yes... on the white board in the background, you can see the date at the top right of the board. it says the 3rd.

this is in the picture of kyron's friend with the friend's science project

 

[butterfly1978]

I dont have time to go through this thread right now, but why are divers in the river? surely the would not have divers out there unless they had a reason to check it.