OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #14

[Paintr]

Absolutely...I don't think the family had anything to do with it either. Just a gut feeling, but there is just nothing to point to that (or to think that LE thinks that either). I totally agree: it was someone Kyron would be comfortable following, not a complete stranger, but not an immediate family member, either.

I only meant that not tipping their hand gave LE an advantage in some ways, because the perp may get comfortable thinking he got away with something and make a critical error.

I agree. I think that LE may be treading lightly in public so as not to upset the perp and send them over the edge. If there is hope that Kyron is still alive, noone wants to push the perp into doing something rash.

 

[seeking truth]

Thank you.Who was at the bus stop waiting for Kyron to get home?

The information I've learned here at this site is that both parents were waiting for the bus in the afternoon. When Kyron did not get off of the bus, it's my understanding that Terri called the school to ask about him. According to the scanner, both parents went to the school, because the parents were informed (based on scanner info) that one of them needed to go back home, to be at the house.

I have to ask: Why in the world did both parents go to the school, leaving an empty home? One of the parents needed to be there for Kyron, since they didn't know where he was.

My opinions.

 

[raeann]

Ok,Thank you.Where was Kyrons father?

He works for Intel, so probably at work, on the way home or perhaps just arriving at home as it was late on Friday afternoon.

jmoo

 

[ci2i]

I'm a little confused as to whether attendance was taken once or twice. Reason I ask is because where my kids go to school, they are asked if they are eating a "cold" lunch (one brought from home) or a hot lunch (one ordered from the cafeteria) so that the lunch room employees could get lunches prepared in a timely manner.

In this case, wouldn't someone know he was expected to be around for lunch?

If the backpack was still there, was there a lunch packed?

 

[x_files]

Your opinion is totally valid. I was just pointing out the stranger abduction comment didn't come from LE working on the case.

I have a hard time with experts because they seem to wildy vary in the quality of their insight. The former police captain could be the most reasonable voice on the subject. At the same time though he was fired from the Portland police dept because of a "pattern of deceptive behavior" shown during investigations into misconduct on his part. I'm wary of experts after realizing that people like Pat Brown and Michael Baden are full of baloney a lot of the time.

I don't think Pat Brown is full of baloney, I respectfully disagree but she isn't claiming to "know" or psychic. She is a criminal profiler so it is an experienced and educated guess.
There will always be cases where an unknown predator with no relation or connection to the victim's families and that could throw off all theories.
They go by the facts. If the last known sighting was of Kyron at 9:00 by his school mate by himself then he either left on his own accord or lured by a familiar face or a "kind looking" stranger or dragged unwilling.
Unless, he left with his SM willingly.
That's where the trail ends right now.
I think all experts will pipe in to try to find this little boy.
I know if I was Pat Brown I would love to help consulate for this case and bring him home.

 

[raeann]

The information I've learned here at this site is that both parents were waiting for the bus in the afternoon. When Kyron did not get off of the bus, it's my understanding that Terri called the school to ask about him. According to the scanner, both parents went to the school, because the parents were informed (based on scanner info) that one of them needed to go back home, to be at the house.

I have to ask? Why in the world did both parents go to the school, leaving an empty home? One of the parents needed to be there for Kyron, since they didn't know where he was.

My opinions.

I think someone just posted the scanner info a few posts back-- and it actually has the officer saying the mom was at the school and they told her that someone needed to stay at the home. To me that implies that sm was at the school and that dad was on his way there, and then told (probably by phone call) that one of them needed to go back to the house.

jmoo

 

[kgeaux]

They said the step mom? Dad? called the school when Kyron did not come home on the bus.Was his father with the step mom at the bus stop or at thier house?

Very early on in the case, probably the first article I read said that when the child was not on the bus, the bus driver contacted the school to see if he had missed the bus---the school told him Kyron was marked "absent" and that's when the step mother headed over to the school.

"Just a former Police Captain"? I don't mean to sound rude, but I am stunned. I would say that a former Police Captain has as much, if not more, insight and credibility as one who is still in that position.

Why would we not give credence to a Police Captain, retired or not? He has the experience and the know-how of those currently working the crime, along with more objectivity, only because he is not involved emotionally with the family.

Just my opinion

The former Police Captain is not involved in the investigation, probably does not have access to everything the investigating officers have access to, and therefore, his statement that this was a not a stranger abduction should be taken as an opinion and not included in a list of facts. At least that's how I see it.

 

[CocoChanel]

I respectfully agree. I know that if somebody said this about my father's opinion of a case, I would be offended (he was in LE over 30 years). He has been there, done that so many times and if I consulted with him on this case he could probably give me some insight too.

I don't think it was meant the way it sounded though, maybe?

Oh Scorpio!! Please do consult with your father if I might be so bold to request that of you. We would love to hear as many opinions as possible. And we realize that it would be an OPINION not fact, and would consider it as such.

THANK YOU

 

[MD MOMMY]

I would be very concerned about my 18 mth old and would not let her out of my sight, this I can tell you.

 

[BeanE]

True, but with the special event going on, they may not have had anyone available to 100% screen the visitors on a busier-than-normal day.

Then you have the problem of "do we ask them for their ID?" issue? And if they're expected to screen RSOs, then they have to ask everyone for their ID and run them through a computer database.

What surprises me, though, is how few schools have security cameras aimed at all entrances. That would be a deterrent in itself, AND provide an immediate record if something went wrong.

Not even having anyone sign in is an open invitation to predators.

:cow:

 

[TopTop]

The information I've learned here at this site is that both parents were waiting for the bus in the afternoon. When Kyron did not get off of the bus, it's my understanding that Terri called the school to ask about him. According to the scanner, both parents went to the school, because the parents were informed (based on scanner info) that one of them needed to go back home, to be at the house.

I have to ask: Why in the world did both parents go to the school, leaving an empty home? One of the parents needed to be there for Kyron, since they didn't know where he was.

My opinions.

I think if my child was missing I would run out looking for him. I don't think I could just sit at home waiting. My instict would be to go search. If he wasn't on the bus how else would he get home??

 

[Catters]

True, but with the special event going on, they may not have had anyone available to 100% screen the visitors on a busier-than-normal day.

Then you have the problem of "do we ask them for their ID?" issue? And if they're expected to screen RSOs, then they have to ask everyone for their ID and run them through a computer database.

What surprises me, though, is how few schools have security cameras aimed at all entrances. That would be a deterrent in itself, AND provide an immediate record if something went wrong.[/QUOTE]

Good point, considering the fact that children (those that attend public schools) spend the MAJORITY of their day there.

 

[BeanE]

I have to ask: Why in the world did both parents go to the school, leaving an empty home? One of the parents needed to be there for Kyron, since they didn't know where he was.

My opinions.

Perhaps they had a family outing planned, and thought, well, we'll just all go up to the school, pick up Kyron, and be off to our night of fun.

 

[TopTop]

I'm a little confused as to whether attendance was taken once or twice. Reason I ask is because where my kids go to school, they are asked if they are eating a "cold" lunch (one brought from home) or a hot lunch (one ordered from the cafeteria) so that the lunch room employees could get lunches prepared in a timely manner.

In this case, wouldn't someone know he was expected to be around for lunch?

If the backpack was still there, was there a lunch packed?

I don't think that is necessarily typical of how lunch is handled in schools. Our school orders hot lunches in advance from a reception hall. No cafeteria. If you have ordered a hot lunch and youa re absent you lose it.

Every school is different.

 

[krazyfingerzz]

Think about it. Sure, there was a 7 hour window odd opportunity but I doubt SM could manage to use ghat window and not be noticed. If there was a sitter, that would have been established and LE would have made sure she could account for that time. If dad was home with the baby, the same holds true. I'm a mom who hauled my kids to places no one else would (getting a cut at a high end salon with a two year old and a few month old...driving 320 miles to a cabin twice in a day with one because I forgot something), but I don't think I could commit a murder, conceal it, all with a baby with me. Somehow I think the body count would be higher if anyone were to try. So forget all that. Consider how realistic that timeframe is, despite anything people believe she may have been doing. People seem to imply that she wanted to appear normal.That could be true, but I still think there are too many other people close to Kyron who who have had an easier time of this. Does that make sense? I need a smoke...I was going to quit. I think I will, put that off until tomorrow,

 

[keeponsearching]

Anyone have link to pc? Or was it canceled?

 

[krazyfingerzz]

I think someone just posted the scanner info a few posts back-- and it actually has the officer saying the mom was at the school and they told her that someone needed to stay at the home. To me that implies that sm was at the school and that dad was on his way there, and then told (probably by phone call) that one of them needed to go back to the house.

jmoo

Dad may have been at work. He may have been called to go home from there. again, post 725 in 2nd kyron scanner thread.

 

[No More]

Anyone have link to pc? Or was it canceled?

http://www.kgw.com/live-stream

 

[Skully]

I'm a little confused as to whether attendance was taken once or twice. Reason I ask is because where my kids go to school, they are asked if they are eating a "cold" lunch (one brought from home) or a hot lunch (one ordered from the cafeteria) so that the lunch room employees could get lunches prepared in a timely manner.

In this case, wouldn't someone know he was expected to be around for lunch?

If the backpack was still there, was there a lunch packed?

It is till chilly there too, and I understand a jacket was there as well. That is what bothers me, that no one thought about a simple call just question the fact his stuff was there and not him....

 

[dimples37398]

I keep seeing everyone post what they are seeing from LE's actions or words. People posting it is pretty obvious from LE's words that he wasn't last seen with his SM ( Where was this made obvious). I have been keeping up on the threads on this case pretty good, and you know what I see that is obvious?...LE has not come out and confirmed 100% anything about who Kyron was last seen with and as far as I know, they haven't confirmed 100%, where he was last seen or what time. :crazy:


They also as far as I know haven't even confirmed 100% that the science fair school project photo was taken on Friday morning or that it wasn't. If I missed them confirming any of these questions without any doubt please correct me. I just keep reading over and over, that it is so obvious that the parents had nothing to do with it at all. It is obvious, they have cleared the family and don't suspect anything. People saying LE has clearly stated things like who, when, where and what time he was last seen. I have seen a few different times and places he was last seen from what other people told detectives. They have not told us anything they know for sure, except he isn't where he should be.


Please correct me or link me to anything that confirms anything 100% in this case, except a sweet little boy is missing. Where, When, How, Why , and Who, are still not confirmed without some doubt.

MOO