OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #14

[mauirain]

Actually, the one thing that LE has pretty clearly stated is that Kyron was last seen around 9 am near one of the school entrances. There was no mention at all by LE that he was seen at that time WITH the step mother. So, it seems pretty clear that he was seen alone at that time.

Ok, so if SM last saw Kyron at 8:45 when the first bell rang. And LE are saying he was last see at 9am near south entrance, Where was he for a full 15 minutes in between 8:45 and 9:00????????????????? I just have serious question about this timeline.

At 8:45 the bell rang and his SM waved goodbye to him, he was supposed to go into his classroom, get into groups and tour the SF or whatever they are calling it now (IB expo)?????? But someone (some reports have said it to be another student) have claimed to see him at 9am by the south entrance.....I just don't get it.......where was he for 15 minutes??????????????????? No one saw him???????

http://www.kptv.com/news/23811673/detail.html

I just have a feeling that whatever happened to Kyron, it happened before 9am. I don't believe the 9am sighting to be accurate at all. Opinion only

 

[joshiesmom]

Perhaps they had a family outing planned, and thought, well, we'll just all go up to the school, pick up Kyron, and be off to our night of fun.

I don't think this is possible since it was Desiree's weekend to have Kyron and therefore she would have been picking him up sometime that evening.

ETA: Sorry, I should have read through to the end of the thread. I didn't mean to repeat what another poster just replied.

 

[TGIRecovered]

As far as I know, no one has been officially cleared. However, I'm just not getting the vibe that they think the family is involved at all. JMHO.

As I see it, they can't afford to publicly state that certain players have been cleared without tipping their hand as to is currently under suspicion. I believe that they probably would publicly clear the family if they could clear all of them.

 

[CocoChanel]

Yes I remember that well. I had to go back and listen to the presser to make sure I'd heard right. The context of what was going to be 'wrapped up' was the current search.

THANKS for confirmation BeanE.

So it was an accurate prediction - they wrapped up the search by the end of the week. At the time I think most of us may have been hoping/praying/expecting that such a comment had meant the disappearance would have been solved and Kyron would be safe where he belongs.

Just goes to show how easy it is to read into words want you so want to believe. My heart is so heavy about this case. I am almost longing for it to be last week when I believed he could be found quickly. How irrational is that?!?! If I HAD the gift of time travel, I need to set us back 2 weeks ago to when Kyron was a normal 2nd grader counting down the days to his summer vacation!!! This is how badly this case has effected me! Even in my fantasy life I'm not making sense!!! UGH

 

[krazyfingerzz]

I was told in an earlier thread that the 18 month old was at daycare that day.

But would she have enough time? This boy is obviously well-hidden, and I am sure LE knows where she was that day. I cannot fathom how SM could swing this...too many responsibilities and all in broad daylight. I still say that while the person was probably known to Kyron, it had to have been someone whose whereabouts wouldn't be scrutinized so carefully. Perhaps someone who didn't have obligations to anyone else, who could take the time to abduct and conceal, IMO.

 

[rpipergirl]

I guess the only thing that keeps going through my head is why would a perp pick a school to take a victim. I realize there are lots of kids, easy targets, etc...but why INSIDE the school? It seems to make very little sense.

Most stranger abductions are crimes of opportunity. This would have to have been planned (IMO). If it was planned ahead of time, why pick that venue? Why not wait until the kids were outside? at recess? walking home? I mean, most schools have adults popping in and out of hallways all the time: teachers, custodians, secretaries. It's not the "safest" place to snatch a child. You could get caught at any moment.

I'm just trying to get in the head of someone who would do this kind of thing....would they really pick the inside of school??? I'm having trouble wrapping my brain around that.

Your post just made a lightbulb go on above my head. Could a parent of a good friend of his lured him away maybe on the premiss of helping him/her with something? This has happened to kids before being taken/killed by a friend's parent. We know he was a good boy so it would take a lot of convincing to get him to go. Just thinking out loud.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Hey everybody, according to the parent / student handbook for Skyline, page 8, we're informed they actually do have a security policy - be it by human eye or digital, at least they had some sort of policy in place. I take it it wasn't adhered to? I wonder if this could ultimately hold the school responsible.

Here's the link:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/school-skyline/Parent_Handbook_2008-Final.pdf

 

[joshiesmom]

I like what he said about it not being a cold case.

I am willing to bet everything I have that even if Portland police stopped investigating some day, Tony NEVER would. He loves Kyron and I cannot fathom that he would ever be able to let this go unsolved.

MOO

 

[Emma Peel]

Well isn't it a shame that with all those searchers available, no one thought to send some of them down the roads where they need survellience footage to personally knock on doors and request it before it was too late?

This is unbelievably late to request/secure this sort of recorded information for a missing child's case.

However ... with the FBI & CARD team there immediately for Kyron's case, I have to think this information was collected earlier - but perhaps just with the most obvious locations - the locations known by all to have such surveillance system.

When I get nervous about the criminal side of this investigation, I remind myself of that. It calms me down somewhat. :crazy:

I don't know the recommended protocol for preserving retail or business-related surveillance tapes, maybe someone else does.

Is it possible that on tapes they originally collected and reviewed and compared with other investigation informaiton, they have isolated some things that they want additional tape of, if available, thus the mass request?

I can't remember seeing a mass-publicized request like this before on another case - perhaps others can? I want to think that first requests were likely made by investigators logically, systematically, timely and in person.

 

[MBLover]

But would she have enough time? This boy is obviously well-hidden, and I am sure LE knows where she was that day. I cannot fathom how SM could swing this...too many responsibilities and all in broad daylight. I still say that while the person was probably known to Kyron, it had to have been someone whose whereabouts wouldn't be scrutinized so carefully. Perhaps someone who didn't have obligations to anyone else, who could take the time to abduct and conceal, IMO.

Jumping off your post here...

I think it would be awfully hard to be in a house with the father of this child, the birth Mom and the step-Dad - who is not only step Dad, but LE and then have a full time LEO in the house as well...and not crack under the pressure. She would have to be the ultimate psychopath and an award winning actor in order to get away with it...having to watch every single word said, actions and inactions... I don't see how the SM or anyone else who would be under those conditions of scrutiny could pull it off - especially for this long. JMHO

 

[joshiesmom]

Jumping off your post here...

I think it would be awfully hard to be in a house with the father of this child, the birth Mom and the step-Dad - who is not only step Dad, but LE and then have a full time LEO in the house as well...and not crack under the pressure. She would have to be the ultimate psychopath and an award winning actor in order to get away with it...having to watch every single word said, actions and inactions... I don't see how the SM or anyone else who would be under those conditions of scrutiny could pull it off - especially for this long. JMHO

I agree with you. That said, do we have any knowledge of whether Tony & Desiree are staying in the same house as Terri & Kaine? That would be so uncomfortable/awkward, I would think.

 

[CocoChanel]

Well isn't it a shame that with all those searchers available, no one thought to send some of them down the roads where they need survellience footage to personally knock on doors and request it before it was too late?

Yup...that's why I'm not buying the "all-call" for video. With 200 detectives, I would think they certainly had the brainpower to think to deploy the manpower available to go door-to-door. Something else was going on with that message to the public.

 

[For The Kids]

I am willing to bet everything I have that even if Portland police stopped investigating some day, Tony NEVER would. He loves Kyron and I cannot fathom that he would ever be able to let this go unsolved.

MOO

It is pretty obvious to me that Kyron loves Tony too. He wants to be a cop like him and apparently likes his dog and was looking forward to going fishing and holiday with him.

 

[Wendy101]

Hey everybody, according to the parent / student handbook for Skyline, page 8, we're informed they actually do have a security policy - be it by human eye or digital, at least they had some sort of policy in place. I take it it wasn't adhered to? I wonder if this could ultimately hold the school responsible.

Here's the link:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/school-skyline/Parent_Handbook_2008-Final.pdf

IMO, yes the school could be held responsible if, and only if, Kyron did NOT leave with a person who had legal guardianship of him.

The legal guardians have power over their own child. If someone wants to take their child out of school for the day, the school can not do anything about that. The parent is the guardian NOT the school...what the parent says goes..

So, IF the school was told that Kyron would not be there OR IF they were told he has an appointment, then so be it. Is the school wrong for letting him go with his guardian (if this is what happened)

Long story short, IMO, the school will ONLY be held accountable IF Kyron was taken by a non-guardian.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I'm glad to hear they said it would not be a cold case and they would keep looking for Kyron untill he is found.There is not much information out now to know what might have possibly happened.I hope more information comes out soon to help find him.It will only be a cold case if we let it.I pray they find him soon and keep looking for him.This is very sad.

 

[darlin gal]

I agree with you. That said, do we have any knowledge of whether Tony & Desiree are staying in the same house as Terri & Kaine? That would be so uncomfortable/awkward, I would think.

In the beginning a friend was looking for temporary housing for Tony and Desiree, whether they found it or not, I don't know.

I don't think they were staying with Dad and Kyron's other mother.

 

[BeanE]

True that BeanE, but the bio mother was on her way to Portland to pick up Kyron for the weekend. They would have arrangements to meet up?

Do you have a link for the bio mom being on her way to Portland etc?

Anybody have links for the 18 month old baby being with a babysitter? or at day care?

Rumorpalooza!

 

[Emma Peel]

I respectfully agree. I know that if somebody said this about my father's opinion of a case, I would be offended (he was in LE over 30 years). He has been there, done that so many times and if I consulted with him on this case he could probably give me some insight too.

I don't think it was meant the way it sounded though, maybe?

FYI:
Some people have looked this "expert" up on google. Not hard to do. Some feel his substance-abuse, his fired and tarnished status with the force, and his refusal to cooperate with an internal investigation casts doubt upon his value as an expert. :waitasec:

No big deal really. There are lots of other "experts" who are not "emotionally involved" waiting in the wings to chime in.

In fact, if you put your ear to the ground, you can hear them stampeding this way. :angel:

 

[raeann]

Well isn't it a shame that with all those searchers available, no one thought to send some of them down the roads where they need survellience footage to personally knock on doors and request it before it was too late?

Many of the SAR people were not LE, there were even some high school students there according to several sources. They are trained in SAR, and they have no authority to ask people for anything that might be needed in court at a later time due to chain of custody, etc. There were other LE personnel who did get video from other places. They are looking now for additional private video from places that LE would not necessarily know even had video security. They have asked for them publicly now, which is the most efficient way to go about getting them as opposed to knocking on the doors of hundreds of people who do not have any such tapes to begin with.

jmoo

 

[Wendy101]

I agree with you. That said, do we have any knowledge of whether Tony & Desiree are staying in the same house as Terri & Kaine? That would be so uncomfortable/awkward, I would think.

BBM: Now, that is a good question. I would assume they are not... for Desiree and Tony's sake I hope not. That would be JUST too much to handle.. IMO