OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #15

[JBean]

Those comments are something I heard on Friday, and I didn't hear it through a rumor mill.

Just wanted to clarify that.

I consider my source impeccable. However, I know that it's still considered rumor... just wanted to say that not all the "rumors" are coming through comments on news articles and facebook groups.

Thanks.

I have no idea what comments you are referring to,so please mark your posts as such. thanks puf for all your hard work and many contributions.

 

[mamaeb]

How do we know the posts made by SM's Mother?
What name is she useing?

SM's mother is named Carol, the person behind the website for kyron. She was interviewed early on in the case

 

[DairyGirl]

did you guys notice that step-mom's mother is now commenting on the rumors?

edit:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264
under the third link "Divers search Sauvie Island for Kyron Horman".. end of the comments

Is she the admin for "Missing Kyron Horman" group? I don't know why she is telling people what they can or cannot post on a group (Sauvie Island) that she isn't an admin for.

 

[laytonian]

"Multnomah County Sheriff’s Capt. Jason Gates told reporters in Portland Wednesday that local detectives were talking with St. Helens police about the abduction attempt. Gates did not say, however, if there was a connection between the alleged attempted abduction and the June 4 disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman from Skyline School in rural Northwest Portland." <snipped>

Did Capt. Gates ever clear him? Not that I've seen!

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=127610500902704700

I don't think they'll clear anyone, until there's an arrest. How many times do we really hear about someone being "cleared"? Maybe Mary Lacey in Boulder, CO - but that's another story.

Has LE taken Homeless Phipps into custody? IF they suspect him at any level, they can't leave him on the streets to endanger anyone else -- and he'd be pretty easy to drag in for spitting on the sidewalk or something.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

SM's mother is named Carol, the person behind the website for kyron. She was interviewed early on in the case

Oh, when I clicked on the link you said about the "Divers" or whatever, it took me to a news story with comments at the end. That's what I thought you were talking about. Those posters have screen names. So, you are talking about the actual FB comments, not the comments on the article.

I got ya.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Regardless of what some teachers may or may not have seen or said or interpreted, it makes sense that LE is going to investigate the person or persons KH was last seen with at school and dig into their whereabouts using whatever technology is at their disposal.

They need to corroborate for themselves every step taken that day, as much as they can. They might well be suspicous it's someone in the family; they might be more than suspicious (we don't know).

Or maybe they just need to rule everyone out. Either way, it totally makes sense that they would be looking in all the nooks & crannies and treating the folks who had access to Kyron that morning as a 'possible' suspect, while of course not saying any such thing.

To me it's standard detective work they're doing.

 

[raeann]

The administrator of that site is posting repeatedly that it is a rumor and that people are to stop perpetuating it.....I think that is definitive and should be followed by those who are transporting that RUMOR to other places....like here.

jmoo

 

[violet67]

i am having a hard time refraining from posting tonight but....wanna say puf - your maps rock!!

 

[krazyfingerzz]

<snipped> If this pans out the way I think it is going to, the car will be impounded and gone over with a fine tooth comb - but I think LE already knows there isn't anything there and besides, just like the pontiac and KC, Kyron was in that car everyday - his DNA, hair, footprints, fingerprints, etc. are all over it - hard to distinguish any solid evidence there.

Great points. I forgot about that, which occurred to me the other day. The car, and the house, have Kyron all over them, so it would be hard to get evidence from either place. The pings just get me, though. In this day and age, most people understand that they can be tracked via that phone. My husband believes it's a conspiracy, lol, but I'm a techie so I could care less. If you planned on committing a crime, and had half a brain, you'd leave the phone home. The only people I can't see doing that are teens who will hold on to that phone no matter what or people who didn't set out to commit a crime in the first place.

 

[cluciano63]

My SAR friend who took part in the search doesn't have any vacation time saved up this year because it has been spent on training and other call-outs already. This means that she drove something like 12 hours each way and had to take three uncompensated days off work in order to help with the search. Her situation is not atypical at all.

If the rumour is correct, then her donation of her time, energy and expertise would have been for nothing.

When I was involved in SAR, LE agencies were usually almost apologetic about call outs, assuring us over and over that they were sharing the best information they had, saying over and over they wished they had more information to share.

I find it hard to believe that any LE agency would abuse the good will of so many SAR personnel that way. For one thing, call outs are optional, not mandatory. An agency that had a record of calling out without good reason would quickly find that the number of responders drops dramatically (this has happened in a few isolated cases).

For another, abusing SAR personnel that way would just not be ethical and the vast majority of LEOs are fine, ethical people.

I think LE honestly thought there was a good chance, based on past cases, that Kyron would be found nearby, although I think they were probably not expecting to find him alive after the first day or two, if they were starting to have suspicions. I don't think your friend wasted her time, as Kyron still needs to be found and experienced searchers would be best, to know that evidence would be preserved. I think LE was always hopeful he was still alive until maybe whenever they got the tip about the island, and MAYBE got cell pings on someone they were already looking at; then, they might have thought that he was more likely to be found out that way. But I really think everyone appreciates the searchers and the police would not lie to them, but nor could them tell them too much, if they wanted to ensure complete silence. People do talk, even searchers, unfortunately. In any case, I am very grateful there are people such as your friend willing to give up their personal time; he might well have been found, either alive and hungry, or deceased, but in either case, he would have been reunited with family members.

 

[eyes4crime]

Interesting. If a random stranger or SO brazenly waltzed into a school full of people and whisked away a 7 year old child under the eyes of everyone I would think kids in the area would be in plenty of danger. Period.

I guess they believe it didn't happen that way.

That's pretty much the way child predators work: can abduct a child right out of school, out of their bedroom, living room, walking home from school, riding a bike, walking 50 feet to a friends, and it goes on and on. LE doesn't tell the community to freeze it tells the community, school, etc to continue to tell their children to practice safety precautions with those they come in contact. They don't close schools, life goes on. moo and all that stuff.

 

[suzet]

*respectfully snipped*

You say if it was a family member there must have been much better opportunities - like what? What is better than the victim being within the responsibility of the school? That has got to be the best fall guy ever. In all likelihood LE just spent the first 10 days of this investigation searching a 2 mile area around a school, which is not where the crime took place. Nothing criminal happened within 2 miles of the school, IMO.

I don't think this crime just randomly happened so perfectly - abducted in a school full of people and no one saw a thing. No way. It was planned very carefully in my opinion. I also think similar plans may have been made in the past and then wisely aborted at the last minute. I do not believe this was random. I believe someone very thoughtful is behind this, I believe Kyron was personally targeted, and I believe this has been in the works for some time.
MOO and all that.

I agree with you about everything. The school year was coming to an end. Time was running out. Desperation was setting in. I also agree the crime took place at the second location.

I have also stated on this board I, too, felt this crime was planned very carefully. I am really intrigued by your comment about similar plans that may have been made in the past and then wisely aborted at the last minute. I was thinking along those lines to a certain degree, but more so plotted out in the mind, many times, many different ways, but actually I am now inclined to agree with you about actual aborted plans and think that is a brilliant deduction on your part. Sorry to say, as this is all so very sad and heart breaking.

 

[mamaeb]

Is she the admin for "Missing Kyron Horman" group? I don't know why she is telling people what they can or cannot post on a group (Sauvie Island) that she isn't an admin for.

the links are articles posted on the kyron page.
the reason they show up on the sauvie page is because the links talk about sauvie island .. so the super sneakly facebook page connects them together.


Notice how the links on sauvie's page are under the tab "related?" And how the name "Sauvie" is in black/bold?

they are showing realted posts on facebook.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I was always under the impression that if you could not discuss something on the thread, you could not bring it up.

 

[CountryGirl]

IF the search of the water today was from 'pings' (rumor) would it have taken 10 days for LE to get that info?

 

[eyes4crime]

Great points. I forgot about that, which occurred to me the other day. The car, and the house, have Kyron all over them, so it would be hard to get evidence from either place. The pings just get me, though. In this day and age, most people understand that they can be tracked via that phone. My husband believes it's a conspiracy, lol, but I'm a techie so I could care less. If you planned on committing a crime, and had half a brain, you'd leave the phone home. The only people I can't see doing that are teens who will hold on to that phone no matter what or people who didn't set out to commit a crime in the first place.

The only thing is - LE need 'probable cause' to get a warrant for cell phone pings - unless the records were given to them. That's my understanding. So, if they do have pings, they must have a suspect and a probable cause or the judge would never sign the warrant. moo

 

[Angel4u2Whisper2]

:blowkiss: Good night. I hope tommorow brings answers for Kyron! He needs to come home. Take care all.

 

[cluciano63]

That rumor was also on a news link comments page several days ago...the day the island was first mentioned, I believe. And was even elaborated on a bit but still a rumor and not for me to say. So it has made the rounds and will be hard to stop it, and other rumors, when people are desperate to know what has happened, have no true information, and feel so emotionally invested.

While of course I do not blame LE for not talking or telling us what they know, this kind of silence will make people talk among themselves. I know at my old job, whenever the big bosses were walking around a certain way and not talking, rumors instantly started that someone was about to be fired. And then when they went into a meeting room and closed the door-well, then it was a certainty! And before long, all 45 or so employees knew "everything."

Sadly, at work, we were almost always right...anyway, sorry, OT.

 

[annalyzer]

I don't think they'll clear anyone, until there's an arrest. How many times do we really hear about someone being "cleared"? Maybe Mary Lacey in Boulder, CO - but that's another story.

I believe I read that Amber Dubois' parents were cleared.

 

[gibby207]

Interesting. If a random stranger or SO brazenly waltzed into a school full of people and whisked away a 7 year old child under the eyes of everyone I would think kids in the area would be in plenty of danger. Period.

I guess they believe it didn't happen that way.

Agreed. Possibly there would be a struggle, a noise, a something. Unfortunate as it is, the SM placed herself as the last to see him. We then received more info and it was X or Y or Z who MAY have seen him last and had an unclear timeline. Well, then, things changed. I'm not picking on the stepmom; I have not said 1 thing derogatory about her in any way. I think she deserves to be sleuthed because she placed herself as the last to see Kyron before the other info came out, which was conflicting and disjointed to say the least. I dunno if SM did it, or anything, but it's more logical to follow the crime to the "last one who saw him/her." If we haven't been able to nail down sub/teacher/friend, etc., as last to be with Kyron, then who else do we have? I'm just running on logic now, and not even feelings... not until they find Kyron. THEN! I will let myself get angry at whomever took him.