OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #15

[BeanE]

Deconstructing cop-speak:

Criminal investigation - a crime has been committed against a victim
Isolated Incident - someone associated with the victim or someone who had a history with the victim enough to have motive.
No other children are in danger - not a sex offender picking any convenient victim; not someone who worked in or around the school and had opportunity.

Interpretation - Kyron was taken by someone who knew him, more than likely related to him, and a crime (murder?) was committed against him.

Got a link where you got those definitions?

 

[impatientredhead]

It is the job of LE to determine the where and the first most logical place to find evidence of the where would be in the home and car and on the computer and on the property of the person that the witnesses identified. Even if they KNEW where, (which they do not or they would not have been searching in and around the school) they would still process the home and car of a witness identified POI for evidence.

They have to have some proof of a crime being committed to search someone's car and home. They may ask if they can take a look around, and you saying no would be noted, but they cannot just process a vehicle because your child is missing.

Casey Anthony's car smelled like a dead body and it took them 24 hours to get a search warrant and impound it. Hasanni Campbell was supposedly standing outside his father's BMW and I don't remember that car being impounded in the first few days.

I am not saying they have or haven't been through the car, house, and cell phone records.... but unless someone agreed to it they have to have some level of evidence to get a search warrant.

 

[JBean]

I will see...but it is being posted on that same FB link so I thought we could only post a link to it and not repeat it here. If I can paraphrase it is that ok?

sure thing

 

[No More]

I think it's important to remember there are always all kinds of agendas to rumors - some want to destroy the life of a person they are jealous of, some can't stand an intelligent person, or a pretty person, or an educated person...and will say what they can do destroy an image. Those without an agenda usually call 911 or a tip line. MOO JMO MHO

Most rumors on most subjects are just idle gossip, people blabbing to fill in the gaps.

 

[sofia76]

I still find that really hard to believe that it's common knowledge or "fact" as that one FB user said that two teachers saw the SM leave with Kyron after 9am. And that it's Terri's cell phone that's being investigated. How could somebody who doesn't even know these people know all that, but the bio mom, bio dad, and stepdad be oblivious? I still can see the bio mom grabbing step mom's hand and squeezing it, and holding onto it during their second press conference. Just doesn't add up to me. I think it's more likely that there are just a handful of mean spirited people making stuff up.

 

[gibby207]

I agree... and by looking at the search map that shows areas marked that have been searched, it's obvious that some places were targeted for search for some reason other than Kyron walking off, because they were away from the school and in areas disconjoined with other search areas.

Searchers have good hearts. I don't think that they're resentful at all. Everything I've read is that they appreciated the way they were treated in Portland and some even joked about being hired on in Portland, because it's such a congenial city.

It is a beautiful place. I envy those of you who live there. My cousin was a big wahoo in Portland government back in the 90s before his death, and I had the pleasure of visiting the city. It has it's own charm and personality.

Portland IS a wonderful city... it's our sister city. Never lived there, just like it a lot. They's like my sista. *fistbump*

 

[BeanE]

From the press/LE - the "teachers did not see Kryon after 8:45". Simple! It is possible or maybe probable the bell had rung and they were in their rooms...makes sense to me anyway.

However, the sheriff's office news release says school staff did not see Kyron after 8:45 a.m. and that he did not make it to his classroom.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html

 

[human]

The only thing is - LE need 'probable cause' to get a warrant for cell phone pings - unless the records were given to them. That's my understanding. So, if they do have pings, they must have a suspect and a probable cause or the judge would never sign the warrant. moo

The articles that I have posted several times on here seem to indicate that warrants are not always necessary . I do not want to look them up again, but they are available on the web.

 

[Laughing]

Anything more about the drunken RSO who drove into the natural gas line???:waitasec:

Lived apparently on Sauvie Island at the time

http://www.katu.com/news/local/10127941.html

 

[impatientredhead]

I still find that really hard to believe that it's common knowledge or "fact" as that one FB user said that two teachers saw the SM leave with Kyron after 9am. And that it's Terri's cell phone that's being investigated. How could somebody who doesn't even know these people know all that, but the bio mom, bio dad, and stepdad be oblivious? I still can see the bio mom grabbing step mom's hand and squeezing it, and holding onto it during their second press conference. Just doesn't add up to me. I think it's more likely that there are just a handful of mean spirited people making stuff up.

Have they had cadaver dogs in the school yet? I hate to say it but the way he just disappears makes me concerned that he was investigating or hiding somewhere and his body just hasn't been found yet.

The case that happened in the lab at the university, how long was it before they found her body hidden in the wall? This case reminds me of that one, the victim goes into the building and there is not a shred of evidence that they left the building.

 

[BeanE]

Is the cell ping info a fact now? I don't need a link, (I trust you guys) but I thought it was just a guess. If it is fact now please somebody tell me. I musta missed it!

Example of how rumors grow legs.

 

[Deeemdee]

ETA: I recall a statement that was made that confused me. Someone stated that they are closer to finding Kyron because they know where is NOT which brings them closer to where he is. (that is not a direct quote)

I think that I understand that better if they are indeed following GPS or Ping information.

No, I've heard that in other investigations too. "Now we know where so-and-so is not." Sometimes it's a big effort to get a particular area searched and it's been on your list of places to look for a while. Once you've got it done and it wasn't fruitful, you can miffed that you came up empty-handed or check that particular item off your list and call it a good day's work.
It's just a positive way of looking at things.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

That's why I hate rumors.
Mixes everything and everybody up.

 

[slapithigh]

They've had it for four or five days, I would suppose, since that area has been searched every day for four days now.

Four days? I wonder if they found anything at any point? A shoe or something? I'm just sayin'...there seemed to be a big change between Saturday evening and sunday morning...like something happened during that time period. I'm talking about the pressers being so different.

 

[gibby207]

As tacky as it is (lol), I'm quoting myself, as it was a fact, early on, that SM was the last placed with Kyron. Ever since, we've received "maybe, I dunno, maybe he was there, maybe he was here," which is totally understandable given the day and the circumstances, as well as (let's face it) days blend together. She placed herself with him 1st, right off the bat with saying she dropped him off and saw him walk away. So far, I haven't been able to see anything different regarding dropping him off YET.

Agreed. Possibly there would be a struggle, a noise, a something. Unfortunate as it is, the SM placed herself as the last to see him. We then received more info and it was X or Y or Z who MAY have seen him last and had an unclear timeline. Well, then, things changed. I'm not picking on the stepmom; I have not said 1 thing derogatory about her in any way. I think she deserves to be sleuthed because she placed herself as the last to see Kyron before the other info came out, which was conflicting and disjointed to say the least. I dunno if SM did it, or anything, but it's more logical to follow the crime to the "last one who saw him/her." If we haven't been able to nail down sub/teacher/friend, etc., as last to be with Kyron, then who else do we have? I'm just running on logic now, and not even feelings... not until they find Kyron. THEN! I will let myself get angry at whomever took him.

 

[CharlestonGal]

It is the job of LE to determine the where and the first most logical place to find evidence of the where would be in the home and car and on the computer and on the property of the person that the witnesses identified. Even if they KNEW where, (which they do not or they would not have been searching in and around the school) they would still process the home and car of a witness identified POI for evidence.

bbm. You can't really do that if your witnesses say, "Oh, we thought they left together." It's not enough.

I believe that is what the witnesses were supposed to think. I do not believe the witnesses were intended to see the actual leaving.

 

[BeanE]

Some of them? How about all of them LOL. As you well know, some were quite elaborate and came from "inside sources" in LE. Someone's brother's girlfriend works for LE and he told his sister and she told her boyfriends mother and she told her second cousin's best friend and she told her mother's nephew and his son posted it on the comment section on an online article. Practically straight from LE!

That's exactly how this rumor started. I kid you not.

 

[cluciano63]

I still find that really hard to believe that it's common knowledge or "fact" as that one FB user said that two teachers saw the SM leave with Kyron after 9am. And that it's Terri's cell phone that's being investigated. How could somebody who doesn't even know these people know all that, but the bio mom, bio dad, and stepdad be oblivious? I still can see the bio mom grabbing step mom's hand and squeezing it, and holding onto it during their second press conference. Just doesn't add up to me. I think it's more likely that there are just a handful of mean spirited people making stuff up.

I hope no one really takes stuff on those newspaper comments and FB as gospel...but I am sure some do. I also hope Kyron's family is managing to stay off of those sites, but they might be logging on desperate for any information. We live in a world where everyone wants to give their opinion, instantly, about anything at all...whether or not they have any knowledge of the subject is not relevant.

On an OT note...my cat, the one who carries my sweaters around the house with the utmost seriousness...and who looks just my current avatar...just delivered to me a loaf of bread. That is a new one.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I don't think your friends time was wasted. The searches appeared focused and based on specific info. Lets say LE was tracking cell phone pings. Good golly they'd have to search everywhere that phoned pinged for a good 6 hours or so.

I was responding to the unfounded rumour that two teachers saw the SM leaving the school with Kyron. Since that would be a direct contradiction of what the SM said initially (went to meet Kyron getting off the bus), LE would concentrate their efforts on pressuring SM to tell the truth.

The whole thing would have been over within the first 12 to 24 hours.

I do agree that if they were following cell phone pings (another unfounded rumour), a SAR call out would make sense and would not be abusive towards SAR personnel.

 

[suzet]

Yes, there is real evil in the world. I think the crime planned that morning would have been aborted immediately if things had not gone exactly as planned and I think the perpetrator was prepared to back out if the slightest thing went wrong. None one would have been the wiser either.

Wow, just wow. I agree. I totally agree.

Sometimes the world just doesn't make sense. So sad that this precious little boy is missing. How tragic and how very sad.