OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #15

[Krisy]

http://www.komonews.com/news/84748397.html

This body wasn't found for seven weeks in close quarters.
Someone else had a link to a body that was in a hotel room for weeks.
I agree it is not likely, but it is not out of the question yet that his body is in the school somewhere.

This talk makes me think of the Purdue student who wasn't found for
2 MONTHS in the dormitory.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/20/national/main2587320.shtml


So yeah stuff like this does happen. Just overlooked. Sad

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Maybe the tip came from a confession? I think a confession might be a 50/50 chance in this situation. I can't make up my mind on that point. Anonymous call to the tipline from someone too freaked out to say anything before? Someone they interviewed today slipped and said something incriminating?

Must have been a good tip if they went out there, I think.

Nah - I think if LE has a confession we'll know pretty dern quick. I'm sticking with the "rumored" cell pings as to why they are searching there.

 

[impatientredhead]

This talk makes me think of the Purdue student who wasn't found for
2 MONTHS in the dormitory.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/20/national/main2587320.shtml


So yeah stuff like this does happen. Just overlooked. Sad

Yep, it was Annie Le that I was referencing. I just went and looked, it took a week to find her in a building they were searching actively.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Have to strongly disagree. Ask any prosecutor and they will tell you that this is exactly what they would want or direct LE to do. Remember that absent an eyewitness to a murder--which is uncommon in these types of cases-the case will be proved with circumstantial evidence, i.e. cell phone pings, perp giving wrong story of whereabouts, etc. If they did not search where they knew he was not, the defense could very well convince a jury that there was a rush to judgment, that he could have wandered off, that a million other things happened--but they didn't look. etc. LE's job is not only to gather evidence to obtain a conviction but also to rule out potential defenses.

Right. That's why in missing persons cases they also have to follow up on all tips of sightings, no matter how unlikely or remote. You do not want the defense to say, "You didn't look! You didn't follow all avenues! He could be here, he could be there, but you don't know because you didn't look!"

 

[JBean]

Alrighty then.

To those of you that continue to post that these rumors are only rumors because WS says they are, I invite you to please post links from a credible source documenting them as fact. But to qualify these rumors in any way by commenting that they are only rumors by WS standards and implying that they are factual is just nonsense and I would appreciate it if you would stop it.

why do you guys make me work so hard? crikey

 

[Deeemdee]

Lets say LE was tracking cell phone pings. Good golly they'd have to search everywhere that phoned pinged for a good 6 hours or so.

Not necessarily. If someone gave an alibi and said "I went to A, B, and C" and then they check the pings and there's an unmentioned D, it might look like a good place to check out.

 

[BeanE]

To me, everything the little boy in his class said should be qualified as rumor, yet it has been discussed here over and over. None of that was ever verified by anyone else, IIRC. Also, the school being to blame, to me, is a rumor, as we don't know what took place, and that was debated for threads and threads worth of posts. There are very few FACTS in this case and when there have been, LE has often changed their reply to "no comment" later in the week.

I am NOT endorsing the FB series of rumors or the ones from the newspapers comments sections...just saying, a lot of things have been debated here that are not known to be facts as confirmed by LE. JMO and it does make things very confusing.

The reason the child's statements aren't considered rumor on WS is because we have his firsthand testimony on video tape. It is up to each of us to form an opinion of the veracity of the child's testimony, but we know the child indeed made the statements because of the video.

The reason the school being to blame or not isn't considered rumor on WS is because it is opinion as to whether or not the school is responsible/liable. It's simply not possible for opinion to be either rumor or fact.

Both of those are far, far different from somebody posted on FB that somebody said that a teacher said that two other teachers said etc. That is clearly rumor mongering. You can't substantiate or determine veracity from Whisper Down the Lane.

:cow: (My opinion - not rumor, not fact.)

 

[human]

As a former teacher, I know if a child had gone missing like that, the phones would have been ringing off the hooks at all of the homes of the children as well as the staff.

No one could have predicted what this has turned into. Before everyone was told to zip it, there was plenty of talk out there. Some of it based on fact.

People know plenty out there, I am sure , about the circumstances of that day.

Parents , I am sure, are talking with every relative and acquaintance across the US.

There seems to be few leaks out there, except for the unverifiable.

But believe me, the parents are asking and talking to each other and neighbors and whomever.

If it was your child at the school, you would be asking and talking, I am sure.

 

[mtnone]

bbm. You can't really do that if your witnesses say, "Oh, we thought they left together." It's not enough.

I believe that is what the witnesses were supposed to think. I do not believe the witnesses were intended to see the actual leaving.

Hello everyone. I have been reading/following all this here since early last week, with a broken heart.

About the above post/thought: Since you can't control who would see you walking out, and wanted no one to notice, it seems to me that the person wouldn't be the one walking out with him, you couldn't take that chance. Though I haven't read of anyone seeing the parent leave alone either.

So, how do you control that part? Walking out with him, him alone, him with someone else? Any of those could be seen. How do you control that risk?

Also, wonder why they are now saying they are going back to canvas the neighborhood again? Asking about a certain car or person this time maybe?

 

[Jaxson]

Ok here is a theroy... is there a room somewhere in the school that nobody knows about and some janitor or school employee could have taken Kyron and be holding him in a secret room?

They had the dogs at the school and they didn't pick up anything. Maybe to many scents all over the place inside to pick up anything but it just occured to me that I read most schools in Oregon are pretty old. Maybe there is a basement crawl space tunnel kinda thing that know one knows about. Maybe a secret after a lot of years.

Anybody know how old this school is? I think I'll go look.....

 

[SoCalSleuth]

Alrighty then.

To those of you that continue to post that these rumors are only rumors because WS says they are, I invite you to please post links from a credible source documenting them as fact. But to qualify these rumors in any way by commenting that they are only rumors by WS standards and implying that they are factual is just nonsense and I would appreciate it if you would stop it.

why do you guys make me work so hard? crikey

Ok, see that you are ok! Gosh, that was a wee bit scary. I am guilty of this & I am sorry and will not do it again.

 

[gibby207]

Touchy-feeling, kumbaya, rumor patrol....

I think it all boils down to research and what you read, how you research, and like SuziQ said, read the things and tuck it in your mind (I used to write them down early on at WS), but people ought to know what are verifiable facts and what are rumors based on where they read it. It's hard to jump in a forum and decide what's fact and rumor, and the mods try hard to fix that and not create a frenzy. It's appreciated! Research into facts not only is pertinent to Kyron's case, but in ALL aspects of life, say government, etc. lol That being said, you can't always discount what locals say, only tuck away and see if it pans out.

 

[Wendy101]

Portland, OR boy scouts postponed their planned trip that was dated June 4-6 ... curious if their decision had anything to do with Kyron going missing... oh wait...someone was supposed to be camping that weekend IIRC.. does anyone have a link to support that camping trip, or was that just rumor?

http://www.troop150.org/ (info comes from Troop Info - calendar Events)

Posted link to calendar below:
http://www.google.com/calendar/[email protected]

 

[Pensfan]

From mtnone:
Hello everyone. I have been reading/following all this here since early last week, with a broken heart.

About the above post/thought: Since you can't control who would see you walking out, and wanted no one to notice, it seems to me that the person wouldn't be the one walking out with him, you couldn't take that chance. Though I haven't read of anyone seeing the parent leave alone either.

So, how do you control that part? Walking out with him, him alone, him with someone else? Any of those could be seen. How do you control that risk?

Also, wonder why they are now saying they are going back to canvas the neighborhood again? Asking about a certain car or person this time maybe?

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Welcome to WS, mtnone!

IMO you could walk out of the building without anyone seeing you by addressing two things. (time of arrival and exit choice)
1) Arrive way too early so that very few people will be at the location to witness your actions. Make sure you take a photo showing that you were actually at this location. Leave his coat and backpack in his classroom as proof that he attended school.
2) Ask the child to meet you around the exit which is used less frequently and is far away from the Science Fair Projects (where everyone heads when they arrive at school). Make up any excuse for why you need to meet your child at this infrequently used exit. Then, you leave out the most visible door without the child.

Make certain that you park your car as close as possible to the infrequently used exit.

 

[raeann]

Portland, OR boy scouts postponed their planned trip that was dated June 4-6 ... curious if their decision had anything to do with Kyron going missing... oh wait...someone was supposed to be camping that weekend IIRC.. does anyone have a link to support that camping trip, or was that just rumor?

http://www.troop150.org/ (info comes from Troop Info - calaner Events)

Posted link to calander below:
http://www.google.com/calendar/[email protected]

The person/s who were to be camping on that weekend trip were NOT from Portland or anywhere close. The whole state does not normally go on the same trip on the same weekend. Different troops plan their own trips and even different age groups in the same troop do not go together on the same trips.

Those links are only for ONE troop from ONE church in Portland, and it was a hike that was cancelled not a camping trip, most likely due to the weather in Portland that weekend, which was quite rainy from what was shown on media videos.

 

[rosiebean]

Have to strongly disagree. Ask any prosecutor and they will tell you that this is exactly what they would want or direct LE to do. Remember that absent an eyewitness to a murder--which is uncommon in these types of cases-the case will be proved with circumstantial evidence, i.e. cell phone pings, perp giving wrong story of whereabouts, etc. If they did not search where they knew he was not, the defense could very well convince a jury that there was a rush to judgment, that he could have wandered off, that a million other things happened--but they didn't look. etc. LE's job is not only to gather evidence to obtain a conviction but also to rule out potential defenses.

Have to respectively disagree. LE most often works (and works best, IMO) outside of prosecutorial 'direction'. It is LE's job to gather evidence. It is the DA's job to prosecute criminals. The two departments are separate and one does not guide the other. It is in no way shape or forms LE's job to rule out defenses...not their job at all.

 

[Breathe]

here's an article that came out about an hour ago for those who have missed it:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_disappearance_ca.html

enlarge the article's main picture, it is so somber and telling...

These articles are getting harder and harder to read. There's nothing left of my fingernails after today.

 

[mauirain]

Agreed, 100%. It just fits together so well, makes sense of everything, and is pretty detailed. If this rumor is true, I wonder if Kyron's other parents are aware. I doubt they are. For their sakes, I hope not.

If it turns out to be true I will be horrified and devastated, to say the least. Such a cute and funny little kid.

What Rumors? Am I missing something?

 

[Cher352]

Just a reminder..
John Walsh will be on the NBC Today Show discussing Kryon Tues morning.

Night All!

 

[crocus]

With this expo planned, I would imagine that all teachers and office personnel were present at the school before the first students and parents started arriving. The children and their parents naturally were focusing on the exhibits, while the teachers focus, IMO, was probably noticing who was coming in and out of the rooms. Was each teacher in their respective rooms during this? Or were they walking around as the students/parents were, looking at exhibits?