OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #15

[butterfly1978]

As far as the artwork goes, I know I have seen the picture of that sun before, I checked google images but when you type up sun artwork in images, my goodness there are thousands. I believe he copied that picture from a book or a picture he seen hanging somewhere. I believe it is a native style, even with the colors that he used, I'm telling you I have seen that picture before.. I'm not crazy, I wish I could locate it. So there may not be much to that one it may have even been part of their art class. Maybe they were studying Native art and were asked to draw/color a picture from a book and thats the photo he chose.
Now as far as the chipmunk/squirrel, this one is telling to me. The squirel is alone in picture while he is eating. Is this something that Kyron had to do, eat alone? The colors he chose are all dark colors, the grey blue background is a sad and depressing color. Why not use light blue or yellows to signify a bright happy sunny day?

 

[butterfly1978]

oh good grief. I'll have to ask them tomorrow. :waitasec:

Knowing my family, they'd hold out for the $250K from the People Magazine paid interview interior spread thing.

LMAO... Same here.....
Mine would tell all my dirty secrets to the highest bidder and give them photos just for the kicks.

 

[violet67]

As far as the artwork goes, I know I have seen the picture of that sun before, I checked google images but when you type up sun artwork in images, my goodness there are thousands. I believe he copied that picture from a book or a picture he seen hanging somewhere. I believe it is a native style, even with the colors that he used, I'm telling you I have seen that picture before.. I'm not crazy, I wish I could locate it. So there may not be much to that one it may have even been part of their art class. Maybe they were studying Native art and were asked to draw/color a picture from a book and thats the photo he chose.
Now as far as the chipmunk/squirrel, this one is telling to me. The squirel is alone in picture while he is eating. Is this something that Kyron had to do, eat alone? The colors he chose are all dark colors, the grey blue background is a sad and depressing color. Why not use light blue or yellows to signify a bright happy sunny day?

...those three acorns *sigh*.....but why do you think that was released to the media?

 

[Pensfan]

As far as the artwork goes, I know I have seen the picture of that sun before, I checked google images but when you type up sun artwork in images, my goodness there are thousands. I believe he copied that picture from a book or a picture he seen hanging somewhere. I believe it is a native style, even with the colors that he used, I'm telling you I have seen that picture before.. I'm not crazy, I wish I could locate it. So there may not be much to that one it may have even been part of their art class. Maybe they were studying Native art and were asked to draw/color a picture from a book and thats the photo he chose.
Now as far as the chipmunk/squirrel, this one is telling to me. The squirel is alone in picture while he is eating. Is this something that Kyron had to do, eat alone? The colors he chose are all dark colors, the grey blue background is a sad and depressing color. Why not use light blue or yellows to signify a bright happy sunny day?

One of my sons is now getting his BS in psychology. When he was in grade school, he used to color everything black just because he knew it disturbed me. He thought it was funny. (Psychological warfare from an 8 year old.) I saved some of these to freak out his first long-term girlfriend. (Payback from mom...hehe)

 

[winterrose]

butterfly1978
The Sun art is familiar to me,also.

 

[violet67]

One of my sons is now getting his BS in psychology. When he was in grade school, he used to color everything black just because he knew it disturbed me. He thought it was funny. (Psychological warfare from an 8 year old.) I saved some of these to freak out his first long-term girlfriend. (Payback from mom...hehe)

for some reason that "BS in psychology" struck me as funny...sorry OT

 

[pufnstuf]

I think he used this model for his drawing.

 

[Emma Peel]

One of my sons is now getting his BS in psychology. When he was in grade school, he used to color everything black just because he knew it disturbed me. He thought it was funny. (Psychological warfare from an 8 year old.) I saved some of these to freak out his first long-term girlfriend. (Payback from mom...hehe)

:floorlaugh:

me likey mother/son karma stories :dance:

 

[slowpoke]

“Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his mother and thought the two left school together. He said it was not uncommon for parents to pick up kids this way, so no suspicions were raised. “

Was one of these Kyron’s teacher? If so, think through the following.

Kyron’s teacher likely saw many of her students walking alongside their parent(s) on the Science Fair Day. Eventually the children that she saw walking with their parents returned to her classroom, except for Kyron. This teacher was responsible for Kyron’s actions because he was her students. She would be reprimanded if one of her students was not inside her class and was vandalizing the school or had been abducted. Being a teacher, I will assume that she has compassion for children and would never want them to be injured/abducted/left unattended and given any possibility to get into “trouble”

What happened that made this teacher not go searching for Kyron when he wasn’t in her classroom? How did Kyron’s teacher know that he wasn’t urinating all over the library, stopping up the toilets, setting fire to the teachers’ lounge, or being molested by a pedophile in a school closet?

http://www.king5.com/news/local/NW-Portland-second-grader-still-missing-Saturday-95689114.html

I took Matt Shelby's statement to mean that the two teachers had seen Kyron with his stepmother prior to 8:45 during the science fair exhibits thing.

And then, this part is my guess, but, when he wasn't there at roll call later, the teacher(s) recalled seeing the stepmom with her boy earlier and so made the assumption that the stepmom must have not intended for KH to be in school from that point on--maybe just came for the science fair part...the teacher's thinking perhaps he had a dr. appointment, or he had been under the weather (Shelby said, it was "not uncommon for parents to pick up kids this way, so no suspicions were raised").

I apologize if my post is repeating someone else's thoughts. It's hard to keep up here!

 

[JBean]

Who reported that they actually took roll?

 

[Emma Peel]

Well, I don't know how it happened exactly but I think we all just took a much-needed little laughing break. I know I feel a little lighter. No disrespect intended to "our boy" Kyron. I wish we knew where he was.

 

[joshiesmom]

As far as the artwork goes, I know I have seen the picture of that sun before, I checked google images but when you type up sun artwork in images, my goodness there are thousands. I believe he copied that picture from a book or a picture he seen hanging somewhere. I believe it is a native style, even with the colors that he used, I'm telling you I have seen that picture before.. I'm not crazy, I wish I could locate it. So there may not be much to that one it may have even been part of their art class. Maybe they were studying Native art and were asked to draw/color a picture from a book and thats the photo he chose.
Now as far as the chipmunk/squirrel, this one is telling to me. The squirel is alone in picture while he is eating. Is this something that Kyron had to do, eat alone? The colors he chose are all dark colors, the grey blue background is a sad and depressing color. Why not use light blue or yellows to signify a bright happy sunny day?

BBM Maybe he didn't have yellow or a light blue?

Perhaps I am terribly ignorant, but as a mother of 7 children who have collectively drawn at least 1000 pictures (times 10, LOL), I guess I don't understand how people are reading so much into 2 pictures. So he drew a picture of a squirrel holding an acorn with a few other acorns at the top of the page and a feather? How does that mean that the squirrel is sad and all alone and whatnot? Isn't that people projecting their feelings onto a picture? I looked at the pictures and thought they were really well-drawn for a 7 year old. My 8 year old daughter is a good artist and loves to draw ~ many of her pictures are of solitary animals. Does that mean she's sad and sending some unconscious message to the world? Seriously? I'm not being sarcastic here... I truly don't understand how anyone is getting such deep interpretations of a drawing. Most 7 year olds aren't deep thinkers and I guess I just have trouble believing that Kyron was drawing a solitary squirrel as a cryptic message about how his step-mother was doing something wrong and making him feel horrible about it (or whatever).

I do know that children who have been abused will draw pictures for LE when they can't articulate what happened. I believe that is legit. But does anyone know the circumstances under which those 2 pictures shown were drawn? Isn't it possible that Kyron was sitting at home or at school, happy as can be, and engaging in an activity he enjoyed? Could he have drawn a chipmunk because he recently saw one and liked it? Could it be as simple as that or are there truly hidden meanings in every single drawing a child does? Because honestly, if there are, I'd sure be interested in knowing the significance of my autistic boys' artwork!

 

[Pensfan]

I took Matt Shelby's statement to mean that the two teachers had seen Kyron with his stepmother prior to 8:45 during the science fair exhibits thing.

And then, this part is my guess, but, when he wasn't there at roll call later, the teacher(s) recalled seeing the stepmom with her boy earlier and so made the assumption that the stepmom must have not intended for KH to be in school from that point on--maybe just came for the science fair part...the teacher's thinking perhaps he had a dr. appointment, or he had been under the weather (Shelby said, it was "not uncommon for parents to pick up kids this way, so no suspicions were raised").

I apologize if my post is repeating someone else's thoughts. It's hard to keep up here!

I just can't see any teacher not becoming anxious if a seven-year old child, they knew was at school, didn't show up in their classroom.
Unless someone had told them that this 50#, tiny child was leaving, they would worry.

There were lots of other kids with their parents at the Science Fair. These kids came to the classroom that day. Kyron did not and the teacher did not become alarmed for a good reason. (IMO)

 

[Emma Peel]

...those three acorns *sigh*.....but why do you think that was released to the media?

This is an interesting question. I've not seen it done before. And I want to know why.

Sometimes we really don't need to read too much in to what's been released - but this is out of the ordinary, IMO. How would releasing his pictures help find Kyron?

I almost have to conclude, between these pictures and Kaine's e-mail, and CARD showing up immediately that LE was thinking kidnapping since the beginning. (The pictures were meant to humanize the victim more for the kidnappers?)

Which then makes me wonder what they may have learned about Kyron & his family early on that led them to think kidnapping...

I'm still thinking about it. Thanks for the help again with Kyron's pictures tonight, BTW.

 

[Pensfan]

Who reported that they actually took roll?

It isn't relevant if the teacher took roll. The teacher saw many of her kids with their moms/dads at the Science Fair. These kids came to the classroom. Kyron did not. The teacher was knowledgeable about why he wasn't in her classroom or she would have started to search everywhere for him. Her JOB depends on her ability to keep kids in her classroom and safe....oh, and learning.

 

[pufnstuf]

Who reported that they actually took roll?

I have seen in the media "sometime in the morning, Kyron was marked absent." (paraphrased)

When Gates was asked about this--as to what time he was marked absent--Gates replied with his presser standard, "I can't discuss that right now." (also paraphrased)

We don't know when they took roll, or if they did, but we do know that he was marked absent. Whether that was based on roll-call or the teacher knowing some other way, we don't know.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html

 

[sofia76]

Wow, I can hardly put a coherent thought together when I'm not stressed out. Maybe someone actually wrote this for him.

I have to say, my partner is an engineer, and this sounds like something he'd do/write. In times of crisis (at least initially), he doesn't freak out. He gets uber logical and starts taking ACTION steps to solve the problem. It's only later (if his action steps don't solve the problem) that his demeanor changes and he starts to fall apart. Remember, Kaine states that they don't know if Kyron has wandered off or if he's been kidnapped, so maybe he is still holding out hope that it's Kaine wandered off from school.

What I DO find weird is that he never refers to Kyron as "my son." He never uses the word "son" at all. I can't imagine my husband ever writing a letter appealing to co-workers' help in locating our missing child and him not starting off with something along the lines of, "Please help me find my daughter! She's missing!" Our child has had some major health crises and he has always referred to her as "my daughter," or "my baby," in writing and verbally when seeking assistance or explaining the situation to others. So I don't understand that. I think even in the Press Conference, Kaine doesn't refer to Kyron as "my son." The closest he gets is to say that, "I am Kyron's father." Why so impersonal sounding? Maybe he is a major compartmentalizer, I don't know.

 

[Pensfan]

I have to say, my partner is an engineer, and this sounds like something he'd do/write. In times of crisis (at least initially), he doesn't freak out. He gets uber logical and starts taking ACTION steps to solve the problem. It's only later (if his action steps don't solve the problem) that his demeanor changes and he starts to fall apart. Remember, Kaine states that they don't know if Kyron has wandered off or if he's been kidnapped, so maybe he is still holding out hope that it's Kaine wandered off from school.

What I DO find weird is that he never refers to Kyron as "my son." He never uses the word "son" at all. I can't imagine my husband ever writing a letter appealing to co-workers' help in locating our missing child and him not starting off with something along the lines of, "Please help me find my daughter! She's missing!" Our child has had some major health crises and he has always referred to her as "my daughter," or "my baby," in writing and verbally - not just by name. So I don't understand that. I think even in the PC, he doesn't refer to Kyron as "my son." The closest he gets is to say that, "I am Kyron's father." Why so impersonal sounding? Maybe he is really compartmentalizing, I don't know.

I found it disturbing that he didn't address his son as being alive in the first news conference.

 

[JBean]

It isn't relevant if the teacher took roll. The teacher saw many of her kids with their moms/dads at the Science Fair. These kids came to the classroom. Kyron did not. The teacher was knowledgeable about why he wasn't in her classroom or she would have started to search everywhere for him. Her JOB depends on her ability to keep kids in her classroom and safe....oh, and learning.

It is relevant to me when he was marked absent and by whom. can you link to where she was knowledgeable as to his whereabouts and where she said he was? that would be pretty big.

 

[carole]

I found it disturbing that he didn't address his son as being alive in the first news conference.

So did I.