OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #16

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For some reason I keep thinking of Ben Ownby. If the neighbor boy hadn't seen the strange vehicle, then LE would probably have never known if this was a stranger abduction, someone he knew, family member, etc.... There would have only been speculation.

I know that's different because Ben had just gotten off the bus and Kyron was last seen at school. But I think it's not impossible to think something similar happened to Kyron at school, and nobody noticed.
 
Alright so I have been back to the 1 st thread doing reading when LE was a little more open about some details, anyhow I have gleamed last time seen 8:45 - 9:00 am. class started late 10:00 am and Kyron was not there. That means he was gone within that hour of time if what SM says is true imo.... links:

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His stepmother took Horman to a science fair at the school Friday morning. They walked through a number of classrooms and his stepmother left at 8:45.

According to the sheriff’s office, the stepmother saw the boy walking toward his classroom as she left the building but officials with Portland Public Schools said Horman’s teacher never saw him in class which started at 10 a.m. The teacher marked him absent


http://www.katu.com/news/95669809.html

And here's what Carole Moulton said:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

Carol Moulton said the kids were supposed to report to their classes and be divided into small groups of a few students each. Each group was supposed to tour the science fair with a chaperone. Afterward, when they returned to their classes for roll call, Kyron wasn't there, she said.

This information from Terri's mom came on Saturday, June 5. It sounds as though she thinks that Kyron was with one of the small groups and then vanished... I wonder if there were other kids who didn't come in until 10 to join the class?
 
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hey guys, i haven't posted much but have followed this thread from the beginning.
this is pretty long, read only if you have time, since not alot of info is coming out i figured this would be okay. hope i am sticking to the correct topics.

I might have a few insights from personal experience to shed light on certain things.

first as to the school. at my daughter's elementary, I have never been called because she was absent. when my son started middle school i started getting automated absence calls for each period he missed-BUT never before 5 or 6 pm. fat lotta help that is! on any day you must check in at the front office and show picture id, this is scanned into their computer and a sticker with my name, picture and reason for attending the school is listed. upon leaving i am required to turn the sticker back into the front office. all personnel wear regular clothes but a lanyard around their neck with their identifying info.
on special event days we have to sign in and show id, but they do not print our sticker like on other days. if i sign her out early, they give me a ticket to turn into the front office. there have been many times that i forgot to turn in the ticket and left through another door on the other end of the school - no one has ever stopped me or called to verify i actually left with them though. they do have security cameras everywhere though and all staff have walkie talkies to communicate with. (ps we live in texas in a large school district, not small like this one though)

as to the behavior of the parents, my son disappeared right out from under my eyes (age 11 at the time) at disneyworld on christmas eve. we had to contact park security (i did this immediately) and was taken to the security office to wait for his return. for 2 of the longest hours of my life i sat there in that office with my younger daughter and lost my mind. i was crying, shaking and near vomiting at the thoughts running thru my mind.(thanks websleuths, lol!) my daughter and the girl working in the office tried to talk to me and i just wanted them to shut up!!! i couldn't think, i was angry - beyond angry and i didn't want anyone to touch me or do anything. so trying to read into the family's behavior is impossible, because i am sure there are people who would have loved talking to the guards and help and getting hugs, etc...but not me. i was beyond all of that. there was no way i could even get a word out and trying to focus my mind on whatever meaningless carp they were saying was - impossible. thank god above, my husband ended up finding him. it was the best feeling ever and i pray that kyron will be returned alive to his family.

to me, from all the pics he was truly loved and treasured. look how nice and organized the house is in the background. look at all the other family members in pics, close to him, hugging or looking at him. the bright smile on his face. he was loved. and he was probably a trusting soul because of that love. he had never been hurt and didn't even imagine it as a possiblity. if someone targeted him, they would have figured this out quickly.

as for his artwork. the sun looks just like several projects my children did in art class that were guided and they were only given certain colors to use and a specific topic. they were instructed to completely fill the entire page, because these were sent to parents with a fundraiser order form, that you could order different gifts made out of the art, such as keychains, blankets, shirts, cups, pillows, etc... the squirrel is very detailed and colorful as well. it doesn't look dark or sad to me, sorry. the "feather" also looks like a falling leaf to me, falling from the tree with the little nuts the squirrel is eating. nothing sad or sinister there. shoot, you guys would eat me alive if you saw some of my son's drawings, lol!! he wants to be a police officer and his drawings are of weapons, men in uniforms, people being arrested/jailed. it is just what he is interested in. he isn't depressed or in trouble or anything like that and we have never had police come to our house, or even seen anyone being arrested other than on tv. but, now i am a little worried what his teachers might be thinking about our family, lol!

i'll eat my words if i am wrong, but that family looks shattered and i do not in any way think they had anything to do with it. i feel horrible for them. i think somebody planned this for awhile, knew kyron was a trusting child, and snatched him, period. now all i pray is that he is alive and can be found and returned.

thanks for indulging me! hope any of what i said might help someone in some way. love it here.
 
Sorry, I am speaking about his right arm ( Not the arm behind his back) and the "shadowing" around it. Does that make sense? It does not look like a shadow, but almost looks like a cut and paste. Just odd to me as I have never seen that in any photo personally before.

Yes, just looked at it, does look kinda strange. hmmm i think LE would be able to tell right away of photo was doctored in any way. jmo
 
sorry for violating:-( I was in shock when I found the link (learning the ropes, and won't do it again)...did anyone happen to see that Today Show with John Walsh?
 
Thanks for writing back, Calliope. I think I am not expressing myself clearly. I don't think that the Hormans have lost entitlement to their rights, nor do I think they should lose any of their rights.

I was simply asking here if anyone knows whether or not they have the choice to ask LE to leave their homes. I realize that, under most (all?) circumstances we have the choice of whether or not we want LE in our homes.

I got the impression that this was an LE decision, not a request by the family; and my impression could be way off of the mark, it could be all wrong. The LE spokesperson, more than once, and again very recently in a press conference, informed the public that they (in the person of a police captain) would be staying with this family nearly around the clock until the case is resolved. I find that strange. Now, if the spokesperson for LE had said something like, "the Hormans have asked us to stay with them," well then, that would be that. That might not be usual but it also wouldn't raise the red flags that this LE statement and situation did for me.

I just wonder if they are under suspicion and are no longer completely free.

Not sure if I made my thoughts any clearer. It is hard, sometimes, communicating through writing, as we all have our own ways of expressing ourselves.

These are my thoughts and opinions.



Thanks.

If they were no longer completely free, they'd be under arrest. The State can't deprive someone of their life, liberty or property without due process.
 
Ok. Here is a link to the Today show interview:
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I hope this one's ok....
 
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Expert Believes Boy's Family Not in Question He believes an abductor has him in serious danger. by KBND News Sources
A security consultant and former FBI agent says, if Kyron Horman is in the hands of an abductor, he could be alive, but he's in serious danger. Brad Garrett says it's difficult for a kidnapper to keep a child because, if he’s on the move, there’s a good chance he or the child will be seen. Garrett says he believes investigators have ruled out family members in Kyron's disappearance.

http://www.yournews.com/copyroom/mynews.asp
 
I can't believe this is happening again -- so soon after little Ethan was murdered.

Unreal.
 
But being realistic, how long could LE stay with the Hormans? What if this goes on and on? I don't see how they can say they will be staying with them until this is resolved, unless they feel it will be resolved pretty quickly, JMO.
 
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Most importantly, who was with or near Kyron when he was near his classroom door at 9 :00 ? If that witness is a child ( and I think it's a classmate), they could be in potential danger if they saw someone with Kyron at that point...

That would be one excellent reason why LE is keeping the name and any identifying traits (like child, parent, teacher) secret.

On the other hand, if Kyron were seen with a stranger, wouldn't they do a drawing of the person and release it to the media?

Such a puzzling case.

I hope Kyron comes home but it's looking pretty unlikely.
 
Wait a minute, when you say they're staying with the Hormans, do you mean, like, spending the night?
 
Kyron without glasses

kyronwoglasses.jpg
 
I am in no way pointing the finger at Desiree or judging her, and of course we don't really need to know any of that info. It is very possible that she willingly gave custody to Kaine because he had a better economic/family situation. It's just that it is usually the mother that gets custody, or is DYING FOR IT---even those who are unfit---sadly, fathers are stripped of their rights because they are not the "maternal" half of the equation. And, I am not saying Desiree was an unfit mother either, it is all just thinking and pondering. With the joint custody set in place, it looks as if Desiree had a close relationship with her little boy.

I don't think the family has any DIRECT involvement in this case at this point, meaning they caused it. I feel terrible for them. I really think it is an abduction by either a stranger or someone Kyron is familiar with, whether it be someone just Kyron knows, or the family knows as well.

G-d willing he is alive, but if he is, the trauma and suffering he endured will last a lifetime :( Who knows how this all will end, but right now it does not look good...
 
Sorry, I am speaking about his right arm ( Not the arm behind his back) and the "shadowing" around it. Does that make sense? It does not look like a shadow, but almost looks like a cut and paste. Just odd to me as I have never seen that in any photo personally before.

I looked really closely at that, too. I could see the same sort of " darker aura" around a few of the other objects in the picture, though, so I think it's probably just something that happened in copying or posting or such like.
 
I keep thinking that maybe since Kyron wasn't reported missing until after the afternoon bus run, that he could have been inside the school or on the school grounds for the entire school day. And taken off school grounds at any point before the area was searched. That is quite a window of opportunity for a perp. Makes me very sad to think of this happening.
 
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