OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #5

[revampz]

I agree. I think they are working to pursuade a certain person to tell them where the person took Kyron and where he is now. In the meantime, they are hoping the public saw something that will lead the police to Kyron since the individual in question will not tell them where Kyron is.

I think that is what the FBI CARD team and behaviorists are doing there. They are experts in children.

I totally agree with this scenario as well

I just feel there is something else going on here....dont know what though.....

 

[human]

Maybe a soccer coach?

Interesting thought. Maybe the coach was at the school and can't be located right now? Although I'm not sure we can say something oe soccer n here like that. IDK.

Or refs at the soccer games? Or parents who have kids on the soccer teams?

Or maybe someone who works for the soccer leagues. Or someone who runs the concession stand? Or someone who takes care of the field?

At first I didn't understand people's thoughts about the soccer picture, but maybe there is a huge reason to use it.

 

[sleuthy sleutherson]

BBM. Where did you hear this? Link?

It was on another thread for Kyron, someone had found where LE was called to the school just a week or so earlier but it doesn't say what the incident was, just that it was at the school, sorry I don't remember which thread maybe someone else does.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Are they still checking certain areas and where are they checking?Are they still checking the rock quarry?Has any one heard anything?I agree that they would not be looking for a live person at the rock quarry.

 

[sleuthy sleutherson]

Interesting thought. Maybe the coach was at the school and can't be located right now? Although I'm not sure we can say something oe soccer n here like that. IDK.

Or refs at the soccer games? Or parents who have kids on the soccer teams?

Or maybe someone who works for the soccer leagues. Or someone who runs the concession stand? Or someone who takes care of the field?

At first I didn't understand people's thoughts about the soccer picture, but maybe there is a huge reason to use it.

I guess I am just curious as to why they used that, I don't recall seeing many sports photos used in other cases, not that they aren't I just don't recall. And for some reason I just get the feeling it has a meaning behind it. Of course they have tons of full body photos of Kyron (family) so why choose this one? Could be nothing, it just really stood out to me.

 

[Day Dreamer]

It was on another thread for Kyron, someone had found where LE was called to the school just a week or so earlier but it doesn't say what the incident was, just that it was at the school, sorry I don't remember which thread maybe someone else does.

If anyone finds this please repost. That could be a very good point.

I am leading towards the person that saw Kyron at 9pm DID see someone w/ him. If so, it had to be someone familiar since the person was not immediately alarmed.

 

[Jules71]

Something I have noticed is they say another student saw Kyron around 9:00 by a certain door. What no one has said is whether Kyron was with somebody else. Perhaps she saw him talking or leaving with a specific person. That could be why they think it will be wrapped up by the end of the week. Maybe they have a good idea who he was with and where they might have gone.

This is a excellent point! I don't think the 9 AM sighting was by his step mom. JMO. I think maybe a student saw him. Maybe this student saw him with someone and they have been working with a sketch artist or something. Maybe they have identified who that is, but cannot locate him.

 

[RubyRed]

BBM. Where did you hear this? Link?

Here it is from another thread.


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[Amster]

I guess I am just curious as to why they used that, I don't recall seeing many sports photos used in other cases, not that they aren't I just don't recall. And for some reason I just get the feeling it has a meaning behind it. Of course they have tons of full body photos of Kyron (family) so why choose this one? Could be nothing, it just really stood out to me.

The missing photo for Adam Walsh was a sports pic....baseball

 

[sleuthy sleutherson]

iirc, from the school website, soccer is one of those after school programs that has volunteers, not that that means anything.

Here's the website for their soccer club. first thru fifth grade.

http://www.skylinesoccerclub.com/frameset.php

ETA; the link above led me to another interesting link;

http://www.portlandyouthsoccer.com/frameset.php

In there rules and regs, there's this;


H.

Background Checks: All rostered PYSA coaches and assistant coaches must submit a PYSA

Disclosure Statement authorizing a background check. Consistent with statute and regulations,
PYSA will administer background checks and results in a manner which will protect the​

confidentiality of coaches and parents. PYSA shall set forth the criteria disqualifying a coach


and this;

E. ​

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Coach Responsibility: At all practices and games, the managing coach shall be responsible for the

immediate behavior of his/her players, parents and affiliated spectators. It is PYSA policy that​

there be a minimum of two adults, age 21 or greater, present at any PYSA activity.
http://www.portlandyouthsoccer.com/frameset.php

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From your link his school is listed as a field
Skyline Elementary School
11536 NW Skyline Blvd 97231
VERY INTERESTING, things that make you go hum.

 

[DairyGirl]

I don't know but I would think that if they had a suspect, or a person that was last seen with Kyron, they would be asking for the publics help in locating that person. I have seen other cases where they have asked people to be on the look out for a POI. I really think LE hasn't got much at this point

 

[raeann]

Two things about Kyron seem to have been purposely "placed" into the media, the soccer picture and the artwork. So, what some wonderful sleuther mind needs to figure out is what do those puzzle pieces fit into?

jmoo

 

[Kentjbkent]

I agree. I think they are working to pursuade a certain person to tell them where the person took Kyron and where he is now. In the meantime, they are hoping the public saw something that will lead the police to Kyron since the individual in question will not tell them where Kyron is.

I think that is what the FBI CARD team and behaviorists are doing there. They are experts in children.

BINGO! And probably why they are not letting a certain person out of their eyesight...not for even a single minute 24/7....


Now back to self imposed 3 day time out......

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Interesting slip of the tongue, imo.

"wrapped up" gives me the impression that they know "who" even if they don't know "where" Kyron is.

I get the same impression. They know and they are trying to find Kryon as quickly as they can. With 22 agencies assisting I think they believe Kryon is alive.

I think LE is the one that has been advising the parents not to speak out. I think they want all the concentration on Kryon and finding him.

I wonder if one of the school staff members is missing?

IMO

 

[Jules71]

If anyone finds this please repost. That could be a very good point.

I am leading towards the person that saw Kyron at 9pm DID see someone w/ him. If so, it had to be someone familiar since the person was not immediately alarmed.

I remember looking at that website. There were two "school incidents" one minute apart reported on there. Don't remember the site.

ETA: SpotCrime or CrimeSpot or something like that?

 

[Pensfan]

He could have been taken by an older kid. (I am certain the FBI checked the absentee role to see if all absentee kids were at home.)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BINGO! And probably why they are not letting a certain person out of their eyesight...not for eve a single minute 24/7....


Now back to self imposed 3 day time out......

I think they are staying with them 24/7 to be there in case the Hormans get a call from the perp even if it is an anonymous phone call.

IMO

 

[Calliope]

Isn't the FBI called in when there is a possible abduction and the child is taken over states line? Why would the FBI be called in?

http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01035.htm

1035

FBI Assistance in Missing Persons Cases

In a missing person case, as a matter of cooperation, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) will, at the request of a state or local law enforcement agency, make available the facilities of the FBI Identification Division and the FBI Laboratory.

Information pertaining to certain categories of missing persons, including missing children, may be entered into the missing person file of the FBI operated National Crime Information Center (NCIC) by the local law enforcement agencies and, since passage of the Missing Children Act (Pub. L. 97-272, amending, 28 U.S.C. § 534), by parents of missing children if the local law enforcement agency will not do so.

1036

24 Hours Rebuttable Presumption

The rebuttable presumption set forth in 18 U.S.C. § 1201(b) does not create a presumption of kidnapping. Rather, it creates a presumption of transportation in interstate or foreign commerce in cases where an actual kidnapping has been established. The presumption was added to the statute to give the FBI jurisdiction to investigate. In a Federal prosecution under 18 U.S.C. § 1201(a)(1), actual interstate or foreign transportation must be proved. See United States v. Moore, 571 F.2d 76 (2d Cir. 1978).

Also:

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/kidnap.htm

In 1932, Congress gave the FBI jurisdiction under the “Lindbergh Law” to immediately investigate any reported mysterious disappearance or kidnapping involving a child of “tender age”—usually 12 or younger. And just to be clear, before we get involved there does NOT have to be a ransom demand and the child does NOT have to cross state lines or be missing for 24 hours.

Introducing the CARD Teams

Child abductions by strangers are often complex and high-profile cases. And time is of the essence.

That’s why we’ve added another tool in our Crimes Against Children program that helps our local field offices in these cases: our Child Abduction Rapid Deployment, or CARD, teams.

Here’s the “who, what, when, and where” of these teams:

WHO makes up a CARD team? FBI agents with in-depth experience and a proven track record in crimes against children investigations, especially cases where a child has been abducted by someone other than a family member. Once selected, team members go through extensive training. Each team has a designated leader. The teams work closely with behavioral analysts, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime (NCAVC) coordinators, and Crimes Against Children coordinators.

WHAT do the CARD teams do? Relying on their expertise and experience, team members make sure the investigation moves quickly, efficiently, and thoroughly. They provide our field divisions running the investigations with on-site investigative, technical, and resource assistance during the initial critical period after a child is kidnapped.

WHEN are the teams deployed? Soon after an abduction has been reported to a local FBI field office, to FBI Headquarters, or to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, or in other cases when the FBI determines an investigation is warranted.

WHERE are the teams located and WHERE have they been deployed? We’ve created ten regional teams nationwide: two each in the northeast, southeast, north central, south central, and west. With the whole nation covered, we can send a team anywhere in the U.S. within hours.

In addition to their unique expertise, CARD teams can quickly establish an on-site command post to centralize investigative efforts and operations. Other assets they bring to the table include a new mapping tool to identify and locate registered sex offenders in the area, national and international lead coverage, and the Child Abduction Response Plan to guide investigative efforts.

Child Abductions—No Ransom

Our field offices respond to cases involving the mysterious disappearance of a child whenever and however they come to our attention. All reports of circumstances indicating that a minor has or possibly has been abducted are afforded an immediate preliminary inquiry.

In this initial inquiry, we evaluate all evidence, circumstances, and information to determine if an investigation is warranted under federal law. (For instance, it is a federal violation for a person to travel between states to engage in any sexual act with a person under 18.) If a case is warranted, we will immediately open an investigation in partnership with state and local authorities.

During 2005 alone, law enforcement entered 632,804 children as missing into the FBI’s National Crime Information Center database. Although the majority of these children were temporarily missing and not abducted, we are committed to assisting law enforcement in investigating cases where there is appropriate jurisdiction.

National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime (NCAVC)

Our National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime (NCAVC), part of our Critical Incident Response Group (CIRG) near Quantico, Virginia, provides free assistance—in the form of investigative/operational support, research, and training—to federal, state, local, and international law enforcement agencies.

In particular, the NCAVC has a rapid response element that:

Applies the most current expertise available in matters involving missing and exploited children;
Provides immediate operational assistance to federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies involved in violent crime investigations; and
Provides onsite investigative support through technical and forensic resource coordination.
Upon being notified that a child has been abducted, our field offices and the NCAVC coordinate an immediate response to the abduction situation. The National Child Search Assistance Act of 1990 states that law enforcement agencies may not observe a waiting period before accepting a missing child report and that each missing child that is reported to law enforcement must be entered immediately into the state law enforcement system and National Crime Information Center (NCIC).

Our special agents join local law enforcement in coordinating and conducting comprehensive investigations. Our Evidence Response Team personnel may conduct the forensic investigation of the abduction site, while a Rapid Start Team may immediately be deployed to coordinate and track investigative leads, which often number in the thousands.

Members of NCAVC also teach and give presentations at training courses for CAC Coordinators. In addition, more than 150 FBI agents nationwide are designated as NCAVC Coordinators and provide a necessary and effective link between the NCAVC, our local field offices, and local law enforcement.

The Morgan P. Hardiman Child Abduction and Serial Murder Investigative Resources Center (CASMIRC) was also established through legislation in 1998 under the NCAVC. According to the legislation, CASMIRC is "to provide investigative support through the coordination and provision of federal law enforcement resources, training, and application of other multidisciplinary expertise to assist federal, state, and local authorities in matters involving child abductions, mysterious disappearances of children, child homicide, and serial murder across the country."

Public Outreach

Many FBI employees are parents, too, and we want nothing more than to keep your children safe. To that end, we make a concerted effort to help prevent child abductions in the first place through public outreach and education.

For example, we’ve created a brochure for parents entitled A Parent’s Guide to Internet Safety to inform parents about the dangers of Internet-related abductions. Also see our Be Crime Smart webpage for more tips and guidance.

For more information about current kidnapping, child abduction, and missing person cases that we are investigating, visit the Kidnapping and Missing Persons webpage.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/crimesmain.htm

What We Investigate

Major Thefts/Violent Crime

• Art Theft
• Bank Robbery
• Cargo Theft
• Crimes Against Children
• Cruise Ship Crime
• Indian Country Crime
• Jewelry and Gems Theft
• Retail Theft
• Vehicle Theft
• Violent Gangs

 

[RubyRed]

06/07/2010 07:13 AM
SCHOOL INCIDENT
Case number: 1006070364

http://www.katu.com/crime

It is showing another school incident for June 7

Put this address in:

11536 Northwest Skyline Boulevard, Portland, OR

 

[human]

Remember, the astros have this pegged as a woman or more than one person.

How accurate are the astros?