OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #7

[Jaxson]

When my son was younger, we were shopping and he was right beside me and the next minute he was gone. He was hiding in one of those round racks that clothes hang on. To this day, I still remember the sick feeling I had when I realized he was gone. I found him almost immediately so drawing on how I felt those few seconds, I cannot imagine a child missing for six days.

I have had this experience also.

 

[Emma Peel]

You're on a roll, Ruby. Keep going!! :dance:

Hey Ruby,

Also wanted to give you a special thanks for your terrific sleuthing! I had to run to do dinner before I had a chance to :highfive: ya. :woohoo:

 

[yosande]

Find Kyron: School parent reaches out to community

Over the weekend I heard from Kim B, a parent from Kyron's school, Skyline Elementary. She's well aware that the hills around the school are popular biking areas and she's hoping to enlist the eyes of people on bikes to find him:

"I know the cycling community is often in the NW Skyline Blvd, Newberry, Highway 30 and Forest Park area and wanted to see if it would be possible to circulate his face to as many people in the cycling community as possible that they might be on high alert for him when -- especially when in these areas."

As demonstrated by the many stolen bikes we've recovered, people traveling at bike pace tend to notice more of their surroundings. If you find yourself riding in these areas, keep a look out for Kyron.

http://bikeportland.org/2010/06/07/find-kyron-school-parent-reaches-out-to-community/

Yes, I did see a jogging/bike path in the pic from Amandareckonwith, at the railroad tunnel. moo

Portland is well known for bikes, joggers, etc. health nuts abound.

 

[yosande]

I have spent the last twenty minutes going over SM FB posts in relation to a ransom theory...the gym mention and squirrel thing I'm working on currently...nothing yet except that "hitting the gym" = Ransom drop/note

gym=Jim?
yeah, probably not.

 

[nola]

Feel like I'm grasping at straws here, but with really nothing to 'sleuth', speculation is all we have here...

I just thought of this, but why are they ramping up SAR efforts six days into this situation? Wouldn't the largest biggest SAR push normally happen right away, with scaling back beginning to happen at this point? This investigation seems to be going the opposite way. Perhaps they think that if he IS alive in the woods, he doesn't have long to live and they have to hurry and find him. I just thought the progression of effort here was unlike other searches I've read about.

Just thinking out loud...

Is is possible that LE think they know who took Kyron and they are trying to put the "appropriate" amount of pressure on him/her to let Kyron go? Increasing the search efforts and saying they "hope to wrap this up by the end of this week" could be giving the perp a deadline? Maybe their suspect (I know they say they do not have a suspect...) is unstable and they are applying proper tactics to resolve this case.
Just me thinking out loud...

 

[Snoopster]

O.K., I was having trouble buying into the 'message hidden in the family statement' line of thinking. It's so 'hollywood-esque'. But.....

I went to the Multnomah County Sheriff Office website to see if they had a video of their latest presser, when I noticed the family statement posted there. Included with the text of the statement on the Sheriff's website, was a link to a related article in 'The Oregonian' regarding the press conference where the statement was read. What caught my eye was the wording of the actual URL link to the article. It is: ..."family says please don't stop"

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/family_says_please_dont_stop_s.html

Notice anthing in the wording of the link? And interestingly enough, when you click on the link to go to the article on the oregonlive site, that specific line in the family statement isn't even quoted in the article.

There is also only one phrase that is bolded and in a different color in the article. It links to the actual statement. The highlighted words are: In a statement issued at the Brooks Hill Histroic Church, the family urged people to search their property...and the sentence continues unbolded. Are they encouraging a particular someone to search their 'property' for the 'extra resources' that have now arrived? "Please don't stop".

Why would the MCSO link to a media article? They have the statement right there on their own website. There aren't any other releases on the case where they linked to an outside media article.

The link to the MSCO press release page:
http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

See what you people have turned me into??:crazy: I'm looking for shadows now! sheesh!

 

[RubyRed]

Hey Ruby,

Also wanted to give you a special thanks for your terrific sleuthing! I had to run to do dinner before I had a chance to :highfive: ya. :woohoo:

Thank You!!

 

[EGirl]

Is is possible that LE think they know who took Kyron and they are trying to put the "appropriate" amount of pressure on him/her to let Kyron go? Increasing the search efforts and saying they "hope to wrap this up by the end of this week" could be giving the perp a deadline? Maybe their suspect (I know they say they do not have a suspect...) is unstable and they are applying proper tactics to resolve this case.
Just me thinking out loud...

The police are seeing this as an isolated incident..... not random. That means they already suspect who the culprit is and they are lookin for a body. IMO

 

[Lava]

gym=Jim?
yeah, probably not.

There is a Garlic JIMS Pizza near the school....

http://garlicjims.com/default.asp

And look at their website!! There is a ransom note type graphic!!

I need some advil :crazy:

 

[Emma Peel]

I pulled up the law firm in Oregon - they are all over the country. Seems perfectly legitimate and very professional to me, and if not, the person will have plenty of lawyers to answer to.

I have no need to hear from the family - I also think they are very smart for staying out of the media and wanting the focus to be on their missing son. And who knows what their emotional state is at this time - this is day 6, so my guess is that I would be in bed with the covers pulled over my head exhausted and hysterical with worry. They need to to whatever it is that makes them functional for LE and finding their son. all my opinion and that stuff.

Thanks guys - that's what I thought too regarding the website but wasn't able to stop & check at the time. So, did anyone do a screen shot? B/C that letter will be gonzo from that site tomorrow.

There's not a worker or volunteer out there - boots on the ground, ear on the phone, or stirring a pot of hot chocolate -
that's worried about getting a thank you from this family in these early days. They are focused on priority one - finding the child. They have to feel absolutely raw - it's Day 5.

I'm thinking the family had legal counsel as soon as Sunday - and yesterday's presser comment (paraphrasing) "we are working with the family to get out a statement", meant that things were complicated in that regard.

Was it complicated by the family's counsel? Was it complicated by the message they wanted to send in the statement? Or was it complicated by current status of the case and the recommendation of special agents (CARD, etc.) regarding this family statement. JMHO

 

[darlin gal]

I've never been more unsure about a case this many days into it than I am with this one. Maybe it's the lack of information being given to the press, but it's like I'm feeling around in the dark and LE won't even light a match for me, let alone turn on a table lamp. They are holding everything very close to the chest on this one, even (IMO) writing the 'family' statement for them, managing very carefully the principal's words, holding pressers that basically say one big 'no comment', etc. My hinky meter is off the charts. I'm starting to think that LE knows who has Kyron, that they believe he is still alive, and that they don't want to tip him off. Is this whole SAR process a ruse to throw the perp off, to make him/her think that they aren't onto him? Are they being extra careful to not let on so that the perp doesn't kill Kyron?

I honestly feel like this is a plot of a movie and not at all like my typical Occam's Razor way of thinking about these cases. To be honest, I can't believe I just typed those words. There HAS to be a simpler explanation than that, but I'm not seeing it.

They wouldn't call 100's of SAR volunteers in from 36 counties all as some kind of "ruse".


JMO

 

[No More]

Can someone paste the link to the poll for what happened to Kyron? Thanks!

 

[awakewriter]

You know, sometimes I read theories at about this point in an investigation, and I think, "Come on, guys. That is ridiculously outlandish."

This time? As outlandish as this abduction negotiation theory might seem, I am totally with you. Great sleuthing, everyone.

 

[SuziQ]

Food drop-off sites:​

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The Xtreme Edge​

16365 NW Twin Oaks Dr., Beaverton, Oregon

503-692-9200
Hours: 5:00 to 11:00 Wed-Fri​

http://theportlander.com/2010/06/09/kyron-horman-searchers-in-need-of-food-water/​

Snipped for space. FWIW, Today's newscast on Fox stated the family worked out at the above gym.

 

[RubyRed]

Hope this guy has been checked. Architect charged with child .


http://www.kptv.com/news/23102957/detail.html

 

[Lava]

The police are seeing this as an isolated incident..... not random. That means they already suspect who the culprit is and they are lookin for a body. IMO

BBM, That was interesting wording, wasn't it?

 

[watcher9]

I don't know if this has been discussed or not - I've had to skip whole threads just trying to catch up - and it may be stretching it way out there, but here goes...

According to Yahoo maps, Portland, Oregon is 132 miles from McCreary, Washington where Lindsey Baum disappeared. It's a straight shot up on I-5 and only two hours away. I didn't know how to copy the map over. Also, Lindsey disappeared in June of 2009 and Kyron has now disappeared in June of this year, both of them without a trace.

Kyron reminds me so much of Ben Ownby. I wish we could have the same ending for both Lindsey and Kyron as we did with Ben and Shawn.

 

[raeann]

I have spent the last twenty minutes going over SM FB posts in relation to a ransom theory...the gym mention and squirrel thing I'm working on currently...nothing yet except that "hitting the gym" = Ransom drop/note

Yes, we could all build a good script for a made for tv movie here.....the squirrel picture as a way to say WHO was making the "drop"....the hitting the gym to tell them where.....the sun picture to tell them what time of day.....

Maybe we should all be writing screenplays instead of following cases all day long!

 

[RubyRed]

there is a garlic jims pizza near the school....

http://garlicjims.com/default.asp

and look at their website!! There is a ransom note type graphic!!

I need some advil :crazy:

lol lol

 

[pufnstuf]

The police are seeing this as an isolated incident..... not random. That means they already suspect who the culprit is and they are lookin for a body. IMO

Sad to say that I agree. This poor kid, if he has made it through the rain, the hunger, the thirst... it will be a miracle.

When Gates was asked about looking for a live Kyron today and he said, "Stranger things have happened" ... kinda made my heart sink.