OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #7

[KaylynnCouture]

Mods- have you given any thought into giving Kyron his own forum?

raying: Kyron, you're in my prayers little guy. Stay strong and safe wherever you are

 

[awakewriter]

You guys are onto something with the release of his artwork. That really confused me.

I think you're right. I think they were released either as a message or as a way to humanize Kyron to his abductor(s).

 

[KaylynnCouture]

I don't know if this has been discussed or not - I've had to skip whole threads just trying to catch up - and it may be stretching it way out there, but here goes...

According to Yahoo maps, Portland, Oregon is 132 miles from McCreary, Washington where Lindsey Baum disappeared. It's a straight shot up on I-5 and only two hours away. I didn't know how to copy the map over. Also, Lindsey disappeared in June of 2009 and Tyron has now disappeared in June of this year, both of them without a trace.

Tyron reminds me so much of Ben Ownby. I wish we could have the same ending for both Lindsey and Tyron as we did with Ben and Shawn.

Just a quick correction- his name is Kyron, not Tyron. But, I totally agree with you, he reminds me a lot of Ben Ownby as well.

 

[nola]

The police are seeing this as an isolated incident..... not random. That means they already suspect who the culprit is and they are lookin for a body. IMO

I hope that isn't so...Gates did say that they are looking for a "living Kyron"...I am hanging my hat on that.

Thanks EGirl, I do appreciate your point of view.

 

[scandi]

Yes, we could all build a good script for a made for tv movie here.....the squirrel picture as a way to say WHO was making the "drop"....the hitting the gym to tell them where.....the sun picture to tell them what time of day.....

Maybe we should all be writing screenplays instead of following cases all day long!

Brilliant Raeann !

 

[KaylynnCouture]

You guys are onto something with the release of his artwork. That really confused me.

I think you're right. I think they were released either as a message or as a way to humanize Kyron to his abductor(s).

I completely agree. I really can't think of another reason why they'd release his artwork to the public unless they felt, in some way, that it would help lead them to Kyron.

 

[DidionFan]

With those two cases, it makes it sound as if LE was trying to point media in direction of Kyron being lost due to wandering off. I guess they showed one where people were saved and one where he was not.

Hi - Phew! Catching up on this thread has taken some time tonight!! I am local, but not familiar with the area. But let me know if you have questions - I just joined WS and am happy to help!

One thing be before I get back to catching up, nothing has really encouraged me to think he wandered off, esp. no release of medical conditions that would alert people and encourage more search volunteers. But maybe, is someone lured him, they left him somewhere where he could get easily lost trying to get home.

That said - VERY odd to me that the Kim and Boehlke cases were addressed, as they both seem to be cases in rough terrains where each were disoriented and got lost (that is at least what the assumed case is for Sammy). My only thought is that the school is in such a similar type of location, and tricky/perhaps dangerous for the untrained.

As for not accepting a reward and a sort of backtracking on the few pieces of released information, I am soooo confused as to what to think at this point. I really want to hear that he is alive, and that we can still be on a hopeful quest to find Kyron...

 

[cluciano63]

Sad to say that I agree. This poor kid, if he has made it through the rain, the hunger, the thirst... it will be a miracle.

When Gates was asked about looking for a live Kyron today and he said, "Stranger things have happened" ... kinda made my heart sink.

Did he say that, stranger things have happened? Yikes...

But honestly, if he is there and not found like right about now...I don't see how hope can be maintained much longer...that is, if he was even alive when put there, if he was. They seem to think that is the place to search, for some reason unknown to us. I'm still not on board with the kidnapping theory, at least not a ransom w/contact kidnapping, but who knows. Not me.

 

[raeann]

There is a Garlic JIMS Pizza near the school....

http://garlicjims.com/default.asp

And look at their website!! There is a ransom note type graphic!!

I need some advil :crazy:

You need advil.....and now I NNNNEEEEDDDD pizza. I had lean sliced turkey and low fat baby swiss cheese for dinner.....and I am starving!!!!!!

Oh, and I had a delicious glass of water, too.
:innocent:

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/family_says_please_dont_stop_s.html

Under comments:
Post by Liz in response to Batman on June 9, 2010 @ 6:55 Is very interesting. I wonder if it is acurate or not and I don't know how to varify it.

I think her response was said in Sarcasm. I don't think she was claiming that, just saying it in sarcasm.

 

[AlexisFresca]

The police are seeing this as an isolated incident..... not random. That means they already suspect who the culprit is and they are lookin for a body. IMO

You know, I'm not quite sure why, but this case is reminding me of the Torri Stafford case, in Woodstock, Canada. She was seen on videotape walking with one of her abductors. There was hope she was still alive (I can't remember anymore why there was that hope). I don't remember how far into the case it was, but when it was learned she died within hours of her abduction, a lot of people were shocked by this revelation. I truly pray this is not the case with Kyron. He's an adorable little boy and to me resembles the baby einstein logo.

Speaking of videotape, has there been any indication of school camera's picked anything up after Kyron allegedly went to class? Are there video cameras anywhere in the hallways of the school, does anyone know?

 

[EGirl]

BBM, That was interesting wording, wasn't it?

Interesting and very telling. IMO

 

[pinkpuddytat]

I just don't see kidnapping with this desperate level of ground searching...I honestly think they do not know if this is an abduction or a missing -in- the- wilderness case.

Unfortunately, both are often true at the same time -- abduction, and body turning up in the wilderness. Remember Danielle Van Dam.

While finding a body may not seem urgent enough to warrant this large scale search, if they don't have any sense of certainty as to whether they're looking for a dead child or a live child, they have to keep huge professional resources tied up looking for a live child on a very urgent basis. If they rule out finding a live child by finding the child dead, then those resources can be redeployed to other cases where their urgent attention might make the difference between life or death for someone else, and the professional work of identifying the perpetrator can proceed at a less urgent pace. Since they've found they are able to muster these huge search resources, which appear to be mainly trained/certified volunteers, for whom donations of basic provisions are being solicited (so presumably at very little cost), it makes sense to use them.

And of course, there's always a small chance of finding the child alive out in the wilderness after a number of days, even if the child's disappearance was due to an abduction. A few more search teams might have made a world of difference for Elizabeth Smart. Even though there was a huge turnout of volunteer searchers (though I think rather few of them had any training or certification), they still managed to walk right past where she was being held by her abductor.

I'm interpreting the massive search effort as just maximizing whatever resources they've got available. It may be that with the lousy economy, a much higher than usual number of trained/certified searchers are available to head out on a search, because they don't have jobs to go to.

 

[AlexisFresca]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/family_says_please_dont_stop_s.html

Under comments:
Post by Liz in response to Batman on June 9, 2010 @ 6:55 Is very interesting. I wonder if it is acurate or not and I don't know how to varify it.

Question: comment by duckyou at 12:47 p.m., does anyone know if that is accurate, regarding the backpack and jacket? If so, why would the teacher think he was 'absent' but that Kyron decided to just go somewhere with the stepmom? It makes no sense ....

 

[EGirl]

Sad to say that I agree. This poor kid, if he has made it through the rain, the hunger, the thirst... it will be a miracle.

When Gates was asked about looking for a live Kyron today and he said, "Stranger things have happened" ... kinda made my heart sink.

My heart sank too He is so adorable.. .I just want to hug him.

Please GOD, bring this baby home.


PS, thanks so much for the links/info earlier, I really appreciate it

 

[Wise Old Owl]

O.K., I was having trouble buying into the 'message hidden in the family statement' line of thinking. It's so 'hollywood-esque'. But.....

I went to the Multnomah County Sheriff Office website to see if they had a video of their latest presser, when I noticed the family statement posted there. Included with the text of the statement on the Sheriff's website, was a link to a related article in 'The Oregonian' regarding the press conference where the statement was read. What caught my eye was the wording of the actual URL link to the article. It is: ..."family says please don't stop"

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/family_says_please_dont_stop_s.html

Notice anthing in the wording of the link? And interestingly enough, when you click on the link to go to the article on the oregonlive site, that specific line in the family statement isn't even quoted in the article.

There is also only one phrase that is bolded and in a different color in the article. It links to the actual statement. The highlighted words are: In a statement issued at the Brooks Hill Histroic Church, the family urged people to search their property...and the sentence continues unbolded. Are they encouraging a particular someone to search their 'property' for the 'extra resources' that have now arrived? "Please don't stop".

Why would the MCSO link to a media article? They have the statement right there on their own website. There aren't any other releases on the case where they linked to an outside media article.

The link to the MSCO press release page:
http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

See what you people have turned me into??:crazy: I'm looking for shadows now! sheesh!

Very interesting.

Here are two different sentences from the newspaper article that reached out and slapped me:

(i'm including the paragraph and bolding the exact sentence - so you can see it in context)

"All of the 35 have responded," he said. "They're working on organizing their resources. We've utilized ours to search the area that a man could travel. We've reached that phase where we need to expand the search farther out."



The family didn't appear in public to make the plea. They want to keep the focus on Kyron, said Multnomah County sheriff's Capt. Mike Shults.

"They know that it's very important to keep the objective on Kyron and him, not on them," said Shults, who has been with the family since the second-grader went missing.


Why the comment in the frist one about how far a "man" could travel? And WhoTH is "HIM" in the second one?

 

[mamaeb]

did I miss that they are now calling it a "Criminal Investigation"

..."Kyron Horman's disappearance is now being considered a Criminal Investigation."

http://www.snohomishtimes.com/snohomishNEWS.cfm?inc=story&newsID=1254

 

[Emma Peel]

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/Kyron.Horman.pdf

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/family_says_please_dont_stop_s.htmlhttp://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/Kyron.Horman.pdf

Statement by Kyron Horman’s Immediate Familiy
June 9, 2010
Noon
Read by Capt. Mike Shults, Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office

Kyron's family would like to thank people for their support and interest in finding their son. The outpouring of support and continued effort strengthens their hope.

We need for folks to continue to assist us in our goal. Please search
your properties – cars, out buildings, sheds, etc. Also check with
neighbors and friends who may be on vacation or may need in
assistance in searching. There are a lot of resources here to help
you search, so please don’t stop.

It is obviously a difficult time and they want to speak to the public so
you can hear it from Kyron’s family as they come together to share
their message. Their objective is to keep the focus on Kyron and not
about anything else.

***************************************************

emma's comments:

I'm back up on the fence about codes in the public statement. I think it's just a miscommunication.

I think the ONLY part of this statement that is from Kyron's family is the first paragraph.

I think the rest of this statement is an LE statement. In other words, it is LE talking to the public with the instruction to check cars and outbuildings, etc.. "Folks ..."

And the final paragraph is an awkwardly worded apology for the family not meeting the public in person just yet, saying they want to do that but they will do so when they can come together to share their message.

For some reason, the family must not be all together today and couldn't do a family press conference?

I think we will see them soon.

Taking more time to re-read everything, and watch the press conference, I'm moving away from the idea of this having a coded message. Which is sad, actually. It had raised my hopes.

Mr. Harmon's e-mail is strong and focused and in line with what one might expect of a man of action, organization, and team process in a crisis. I have no idea how he was still holding it together when he wrote that thing. Impressive. JMHO

:couch:

 

[EGirl]

You know, I'm not quite sure why, but this case is reminding me of the Torri Stafford case, in Woodstock, Canada. She was seen on videotape walking with one of her abductors. There was hope she was still alive (I can't remember anymore why there was that hope). I don't remember how far into the case it was, but when it was learned she died within hours of her abduction, a lot of people were shocked by this revelation. I truly pray this is not the case with Kyron. He's an adorable little boy and to me resembles the baby einstein logo.

Speaking of videotape, has there been any indication of school camera's picked anything up after Kyron allegedly went to class? Are there video cameras anywhere in the hallways of the school, does anyone know?

Alexis, apparently there is no video. At this point LE will not even confirm any siting after 8:45 or if the picture was confirmed to have been taken that morning.

We are literally at square one.

 

[liz b.]

With all respect I cannot see a ransom in any scenario. They are not a famous family and I doubt they have the funds that would motivate someone to do this for a ransom.

I'm still hoping that Kyron wondered off, realized he was lost and panicked and then ran a bit too far. Very typical reaction for lost people.

No More,
I know how you feel about the wandering off theory... And I see what you mean about them not being famous.But, we really don't know what financial resources the family has access to. To you,or to me it would seem foolish,crazy,even,to do such a thing for money( and that doesn't even cover the moral part of it)..But,most criminals just aren't that smart,they go with impulses.For someone who cuts their grass,or someone who babysits their kids,this family might seem very wealthy. A very good target. KWIM ?

I am not married to this theory,I'm just dating it.... One thing that bothers me : I have not read anywhere,and don't know if anyone asked, was anything different on that morning ? Was Kyron cranky for any reason ? Did he have words with anyone that would lead to him running into the woods ?
Because he seems like such a thoughtful,smart kid, not the type of boy to run off.....