OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #7

[cluciano63]

If this kid is so observant and is his deskmate, he didn't notice fot the next 5 hours or so that Kyron never came back from the bathroom? I'm just not putting any stock in this at all, sorry, and no offense to the kid, he is 8.

 

[BeanE]

Here's something else in the article about Kyron's desk mate that I'm curious about:

TP says Kyron was in school for at least an hour Friday morning

What do you think this one hour period was?

Wasn't it reported that Kyron and his stepmom got to school a few minutes after 8? Or was it 8:15?

An hour from that would be 9 or 9:15. And we have LE's statement that Kyron was last seen at 9am.

 

[pufnstuf]

"The case here is unique," added Arthur Balizan, FBI Special Agent in Charge. "The media has to keep the message out there. We need the public's eyes out there. Keep looking for Kyron."

LINK

 

[BeanE]

Did I miss an floor plan of the school? If anyone know if we have a floor plan can some one point me to it. TIA

I haven't seen a floor plan, but this morning I posted a video about the layout of Kyron's school or classroom. It's in Kyron's media thread. The link is in my signature.

 

[BeanE]

If this kid is so observant and is his deskmate, he didn't notice fot the next 5 hours or so that Kyron never came back from the bathroom? I'm just not putting any stock in this at all, sorry, and no offense to the kid, he is 8.

What leads you to believe the kid didn't notice Kyron didn't come back from the bathroom?

 

[Jaxson]

**snipped by me**


I know this was posted as opinion only....but I am rather appalled and frankly insulted from this post. I have been a stepmother for almost 18 yrs, 10 of which I have been a custodial stepmother for two boys. There have been dozens of warnings in the multiple threads on this matter for throwing family members under the bus and/or assuming some semblance of guilt on their parts. And Kyron's stepmother seems to bearing the brunt of the majority of this. Comments that she left him at school, comments that she didn't come back for the talent show, comments that she was on facebook, comments that she went to the gym, blah, blah, blah. ENOUGH ALREADY!

Unless you've ever been a stepparent, don't even begin to throw stones.

As a stepmother ITA. There seem to be just as many bio-moms out there harming their own children, maybe more, than there are stepmothers. I just feel so badly for this woman taking so much heat when obviously LE would have her in for questioning and polygraph's repeatedly if they thought there was the most remote possibility that she was guilty. I am pretty sure media would have sniffed these things out if they were happening. I know how I acted and what I did when my bro-in-law committed suicide and there are a lot of people who would have decide I must have killed him in spite of the fact there were witnesses. Leave the poor sm alone already people.

 

[LotsaLatte]

Here's something else in the article about Kyron's desk mate that I'm curious about:

TP says Kyron was in school for at least an hour Friday morning

What do you think this one hour period was?

Wasn't it reported that Kyron and his stepmom got to school a few minutes after 8? Or was it 8:15?

An hour from that would be 9 or 9:15. And we have LE's statement that Kyron was last seen at 9am.

Well, having been 7 or 8 years old at one time, I remember an hour being like "all day!" But it would make sense that the hour was from arrival to around 9ish. Also, the little guy could have heard or been questioned about "an hour."

 

[Calliope]

All I can say is that after 27 years of working with people under unbearable stress and in all stages of grief --- there is no "normal".

 

[CharlestonGal]

Yes, ITA,it would have been the sub who left.

I noticed that LE's "no comments" were most prevelent when they got questions about the sightings and sequence of events that morning at the school. It's strange originally, it was LE who mentioned that they had a witness who saw Kyron at around 9:00 by the door of his classroom.They declined to identify this witness. So,now they are basically saying "no comment" on their own statement ? I think that the whole genesis of the crime happened near the classroom,around 9:00. And someone saw something important.
Personally, I find that pic of the child in the VW to be haunting. It really does resemble Kyron...

bbm. Yes, I think someone was seen in that area but by the time LE put two and two together it was too late to rein in the story and it was already front page news. I think LE would change that now if they could, but there is no way to get the media and the public to back off now.

Having said that, I think LE, the school, and the family are really between a rock and a hard place now and there is no good way to deal with it other than to stonewall - and that just looks bad. I don't see what other choice they have though.

 

[cluciano63]

What leads you to believe the kid didn't notice Kyron didn't come back from the bathroom?

I don't know, it leads Me to believe that this child is mistaken about what he is saying, either what day it was or just not clear about what happened. I'm just not putting any stock in it as a sighting for Kyron on that day, that's all. Just how I feel.

 

[STEADFAST]

bbm. Yes, I think someone was seen in that area but by the time LE put two and two together it was too late to rein in the story and it was already front page news. I think LE would change that now if they could, but there is no way to get the media and the public to back off now.

Having said that, I think LE, the school, and the family are really between a rock and a hard place now and there is no good way to deal with it other than to stonewall - and that just looks bad. I don't see what other choice they have though.

An alternative way to look at it is that the person who told them about that sighting is a child who has since told various conflicting stories about what he saw and heard that day.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I think (I know there's smoke coming outta my ears) that is was just a busy day - ALL the kids thrown off their regular routine and schedule - first the science fair, the tours, bathroom breaks, then lunch, then the talent show, etc.

I've had days like this where by the first time my class actually came in the classroom and "took their seats" wasn't until after lunch! Not that we weren't in the room at all - just that "we're stopping by to get your lunches and lunch money" or "go in and get your music folders" - stuff like that. So, it could be his class hardly "sat down together" and calmed and gave their attention to the teacher in the front of the room.....at all - or maybe just long enough to be told how they were going to go to the talent show...

Am I making any sense?

O/T BeanE - I posted new video of Josie Ratley yesterday - her homecoming. It really warms your heart!

 

[SuziQ]

As a stepmother ITA. There seem to be just as many bio-moms out there harming their own children, maybe more, than there are stepmothers. I just feel so badly for this woman taking so much heat when obviously LE would have her in for questioning and polygraph's repeatedly if they thought there was the most remote possibility that she was guilty. I am pretty sure media would have sniffed these things out if they were happening. I know how I acted and what I did when my bro-in-law committed suicide and there are a lot of people who would have decide I must have killed him in spite of the fact there were witnesses. Leave the poor sm alone already people.

We don't know anything about poly's in this case because Gates gave his standard no comment or can't answer. We don't know who is being interviewed and how often. And the press is starting to sniff out stuff because they've gotten nothing in days. Not saying that's right or wrong, just what I noticed about the press yesterday.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

All I can say is that after 27 years of working with people under unbearable stress and in all stages of grief --- there is no "normal".

I totally agree.

Since we have no clue what happened, it's not right of us to throw stones at this family.
LE's statements or lack there of is showing me there is a whole lot they know that we don't. I'm sure the parents are being kept up to date on what LE knows. So, maybe the parents don't want to speak because they are scared they may let something slip like the principle did. I don't know.

I think they are concerned about Kyron. They are putting their faith in LE, not reporters/media/the public.

IMO they are treating this like a private matter and just want to be left alone.
I think they want all questions to be answered by LE.



JMO

 

[pufnstuf]

As a stepmother ITA. There seem to be just as many bio-moms out there harming their own children, maybe more, than there are stepmothers. I just feel so badly for this woman taking so much heat when obviously LE would have her in for questioning and polygraph's repeatedly if they thought there was the most remote possibility that she was guilty. I am pretty sure media would have sniffed these things out if they were happening. I know how I acted and what I did when my bro-in-law committed suicide and there are a lot of people who would have decide I must have killed him in spite of the fact there were witnesses. Leave the poor sm alone already people.

We all get insulted sometimes... yesterday someone commented that the problem is that children who have parents who have been divorced are more likely to be in this situation.

I'm divorced, and my kiddo is right here at home with me, has never gone missing, doesn't do drugs and alcohol, and is pretty much the perfect kid. Of course, I'm biased.

 

[daisy7]

Do we have a family and friends support thred for Kyron? :waitasec: I don't know if that is possiable or not but seems like when we are talking about a case there is much to discuss that could feel sensitive. I mean the whole thing is sensitive.

I am scared to post anything any more because I am afraid that someone will think, feel or take what I am saying the wrong way. I understand that some topics that are out there are difficult. There isn't a happy or unsensitive story when a child is missing..unless they come home safe!


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[Calliope]

Here's something else in the article about Kyron's desk mate that I'm curious about:

TP says Kyron was in school for at least an hour Friday morning

What do you think this one hour period was?

Wasn't it reported that Kyron and his stepmom got to school a few minutes after 8? Or was it 8:15?

An hour from that would be 9 or 9:15. And we have LE's statement that Kyron was last seen at 9am.

I think that is the writer's interpretation. The kids were supposed to go to class at 8:45 and break up into smaller groups to tour the exhibits, then return to their classes at 10 am. That would probably make it roughly 9 when they started on their tours, so there's your hour.

 

[Wondergirl]

Is there some sort of facts only post that could bring someone up to speed with the known facts in Kyron's case?

 

[tfrohning]

I don't know what to say about theses kids being interview and their face all over the TV.

But what if they did see something and could be a witness this could be dangerous.

 

[Dee10]

I think the FBI needs to publish a one size fits all handbook for parents of missing children. That way parents will know what they are and aren't supposed to do and what is the "normal" way to act. To be honest, until I found WS, I never realized that there were so many rights and wrongs when it came to a missing or murdered person. I'll admit that I was probably living in my little world and although I heard about cases on the news, I didn't dissect them like I do now. I would imagine that there are many, many people who are living in their "little worlds"

Actually there is a wonderful manual put out by the US Dept of Justice. I was just reading what they suggest parents do regarding media Chapter 3. I would think the CARD team would or should give every parent of a missing child this manual.

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/publications/fam_surv.pdf
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Also just thinking about the non letters to the editor on this subject when I read this:

"The case here is unique," added Arthur Balizan, FBI Special Agent in Charge. "The media has to keep the message out there. We need the public's eyes out there. Keep looking for Kyron."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/ground_search_resumes_this_mor.html