GUILTY OR - Latia Harris charged in beating caught on video, Salem, 2014

[inthedark14]

There isn't anyone anywhere that hasn't said something snarky, mean spirited or just downright nasty about another person.

If that means that it's ok to beat the *&%^ out of another person and threaten their small child than I must be living on a different planet.

These are not children, these are two adult women. If I beat up every person who has had something nasty to say to or about me, I'd be in jail. It's that simple.

If members of this board were attacked for their opinions/comments on what we talk about here, I suspect there would be quite an outrage. We freely opine about people we don't even know and their circumstances. These two woman knew each other and no matter what that history was, it doesn't give the crazy woman a reason to brutalize another person and threaten to attack her child.

People in glass houses and all that.

ALWAYS MOO

 

[Sweet Fox]

tlcya said: MOO it can be interpreted in either way, that the rumor was about a previous boss and then a joke was made at this employment for the attacker or that they are referring to the same rumor about a current boss.

Given the way the article is formatted, I can understand how it can be misconstrued. But if Ferriera was spreading a rumor about a previous boss, seems to me Harris would have exploded back then when they were both working at the grocery store.

I agree it does not matter because there is no justification or excuse for what that pyscho did. And after the threat she made to shoot Ferriera, I’m very concern for her and her child’s safety. Since Harris is on the run, she may not be able to get to Ferriera but Harris has friends in the hood who could harm her. And given her violent nature and threat to cause physical harm to the victim’s child, I also can’t help but wonder if Harris ever abused her own children. Scary.

 

[rosesfromangels]

tlcya said: MOO it can be interpreted in either way, that the rumor was about a previous boss and then a joke was made at this employment for the attacker or that they are referring to the same rumor about a current boss.

Given the way the article is formatted, I can understand how it can be misconstrued. But if Ferriera was spreading a rumor about a previous boss, seems to me Harris would have exploded back then when they were both working at the grocery store.

I agree it does not matter because there is no justification or excuse for what that pyscho did. And after the threat she made to shoot Ferriera, I’m very concern for her and her child’s safety. Since Harris is on the run, she may not be able to get to Ferriera but Harris has friends in the hood who could harm her. And given her violent nature and threat to cause physical harm to the victim’s child, I also can’t help but wonder if Harris ever abused her own children. Scary.

Agree. Whether Harris is in jail or not, the concern of retaliation should be taken seriously IMO.

This horrific act duly noted, does anyone know why the victim was so focused on this Harris woman, and why was she repeatedly spreading rumors about her? What was her beef with this woman?

 

[hopingicanhelp]

Disagree slightly on this point. I don't think they are human garbage, I honestly believe this is just normal hood behavior to them. You talk trash, you get beat. Different code of living. I truly believe they simply do not know better since it happens all the time. Not saying it's right, just saying it's "normal" in the hood. MOO.

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BBM

I think you summed it up well. It's no excuse, and thankfully we have laws for a reason, but you sometimes cannot take the hood out of someone.

It's like trying to teach someone who grew up in a family of cons how to just be ok working for an honest living and finding some pride and sense of competence. It's not easy; their mind is always searching for the easy money and they don't bat an eye over lying, cheating, and stealing -- that's the American way, as far as they are concerned. And when you try to point out what's wrong with that method of thinking and what the responsible action would be, they are lost -- totally confused. To some, it's "use or get used, beat or get beaten." It's really that simple, unfortunately.

Everyone can watch all the "More You Know" spots about "Violence Isn't the Answer" until they puke, but it can take a lot of exposure to people and ideas outside the circle you were raised in to really have influence. Fortunately or unfortunately, everyone has a different upbringing, culture, and moral compass under which they were raised -- and with that you sometimes get the really extreme folks like Harris.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

And given her violent nature and threat to cause physical harm to the victim’s child, I also can’t help but wonder if Harris ever abused her own children. Scary.[/COLOR]

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I would have to agree on that; Harris threatening the child leads to an entire "other list" of questions about her -- I truly hope it was her running her mouth and that she was not truly interested in hurting the child and that she does not hurt her own children.

I'm sure in light of what she has done, LE is looking into a LOT about Harris.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

Agree. Whether Harris is in jail or not, the concern of retaliation should be taken seriously IMO.

This horrific act duly noted, does anyone know why the victim was so focused on this Harris woman, and why was she repeatedly spreading rumors about her? What was her beef with this woman?

I guess the question for me would be "Why does anyone bully anyone?" Was Harris an easy target for some reason?

I just don't get any of the behavior -- we've discussed the "different code of living" and that I get -- but I don't understand sitting there in someone's work place WHILE she is on shift, engaging in gossip that she could easily overhear -- so juvenile! We're talking middle school clique behavior by a grown woman. Yes -- of course, I can't imagine following someone or beating them to a pulp either -- toddler present or not! It's clearly hard to understand other people when their choices are so different than the ones we would make.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I guess the question for me would be "Why does anyone bully anyone?" Was Harris an easy target for some reason?



I just don't get any of the behavior -- we've discussed the "different code of living" and that I get -- but I don't understand sitting there in someone's work place WHILE she is on shift, engaging in gossip that she could easily overhear -- so juvenile! We're talking middle school clique behavior by a grown woman. Yes -- of course, I can't imagine following someone or beating them to a pulp either -- toddler present or not! It's clearly hard to understand other people when their choices are so different than the ones we would make.

I understood it to be some sort of light hearted joke that was taken to a whole other level.

To me it just doesn't matter.

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[tlcya]

I am very confused how gossiping turned into bullying on the part of the victim??

Harris = attacker in video right?

the idea that Harris was an easy target for bullying is not computing for me. she is a grown ass woman who beat the tar out of another woman, threatened to kill her and threatened to kick the woman's child in the head for WORDS!

WORDS FGS?!?!

self imposed time out from this thread.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

I am very confused how gossiping turned into bullying on the part of the victim??

Harris = attacker in video right?

the idea that Harris was an easy target for bullying is not computing for me. she is a grown ass woman who beat the tar out of another woman, threatened to kill her and threatened to kick the woman's child in the head for WORDS!

WORDS FGS?!?!

self imposed time out from this thread.

I should clarify -- there is no factual basis for gossip turning into bullying. That was me inserting MOO as to Harris' **possible** state of mind -- someone asked "Why Harris?" and I replied with "Why does anyone bully anyone?" -- it never makes sense to me, whether you call it harmful gossip or it is at the level that you might consider bullying... to me, none of it makes sense.

Truth is, Harris probably wasn't "targeted" by the victim -- but she may have FELT as though she was....

Does any of that matter, really? NO!

Forgive me guys -- often I am trying to figure out the "Why" and find myself trying to understand what's going on inside the perp's head -- I'm not trying to excuse the behavior.

What's a good all-around disclaimer I can put in my signature to indicate that I'm still rooting for the victim, will often play devil's advocate, and that my exploration of the perp's "state of mind" in no way reflects upon the victim -- any ideas?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I should clarify -- there is no factual basis for gossip turning into bullying. That was me inserting MOO as to Harris' **possible** state of mind -- someone asked "Why Harris?" and I replied with "Why does anyone bully anyone?" -- it never makes sense to me, whether you call it harmful gossip or it is at the level that you might consider bullying... to me, none of it makes sense.



Truth is, Harris probably wasn't "targeted" by the victim -- but she may have FELT as though she was....



Does any of that matter, really? NO!



Forgive me guys -- often I am trying to figure out the "Why" and find myself trying to understand what's going on inside the perp's head -- I'm not trying to excuse the behavior.



What's a good all-around disclaimer I can put in my signature to indicate that I'm still rooting for the victim, will often play devil's advocate, and that my exploration of the perp's "state of mind" in no way reflects upon the victim -- any ideas?

"State of mind" in this case, in my opinion...is about the general culture of living in poverty, in the ghetto. It's all about being "disrespected". There is no greater crime.
To simply ignore it, would have made the perp a "punk" ...
Being locked up, is perceived as acceptable and understandable in the situation.

In some areas, even looking at someone "too long", is viewed as a challenge.


All IMO





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[rosesfromangels]

"State of mind" in this case, in my opinion...is about the general culture of living in poverty, in the ghetto. It's all about being "disrespected". There is no greater crime.
To simply ignore it, would have made the perp a "punk" ...
Being locked up, is perceived as acceptable and understandable in the situation.

In some areas, even looking at someone "too long", is viewed as a challenge.


All IMO

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Characterized to a tee. Unless you have lived or worked in this type of an environment, it's nearly impossible to understand what motivates the behavior...which is common fare. The only thing that makes this case unique is that it was caught on video.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Woman surrenders for brutal beating of New Jersey mom in front of her 2-year-old son

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ey-mom-front-2-year-old-son-article-1.1849466

 

[CHERIE.T]

http://www.nj.com/salem/index.ssf/2014/06/salem_video_beating_suspect_latia_harris_is_arrested.html

Salem beating suspect turns herself in

 

[Linda7NJ]

Characterized to a tee. Unless you have lived or worked in this type of an environment, it's nearly impossible to understand what motivates the behavior...which is common fare. The only thing that makes this case unique is that it was caught on video.

I've worked in it. It's no picnic. I was young and didn't realize just what a dangerous position I was putting myself in everyday. It's like being in a foreign third world country... Laws & normal Social rules don't apply.
When I came to my senses, had enough, and realized I wasn't really accompanying anything, I quit.

Can't show any weakness either...unless you want to be a target.
Not even young children. Goal is to make them "hard" and tough.





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[wendiesan]

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And finally, I've noticed some people are commenting on the attacker's purported religion. There is actually an important point to this. In the attacker's (supposed) religion, adultery is punishable by the most severe lashing and in some cases being stoned to death. Adultery is no small matter to certain faiths. What was being said about her would have cost her a great deal in her culture. Hopefully this puts some perspective around this. Not saying what she did was right, but there is religious context to this.

I think I understand your point, but in this case, I don't buy it. If Harris had been in a country that supported those punishments in their legal system, and if she'd been following the other dictates prescribed for female behaviour, I'd probably agree to a limited extent that her alleged religious affiliation caused her violence. It's true that the Sharia laws concerning adultery are brutal towards women. However, Harris does not live in Mauritania, Sudan, Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Iraq, Maldives, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, or Yemen. Or is a classical Sharia law system now being practiced in Salem?

In those countries I mentioned, she'd be beaten for not covering her hair and for dressing immodestly. Harris was not so worried about those dictates of her supposed religion that she's afraid to go around without the requisite headgear. She's not worried about wearing less than modest clothing. In some of those countries I mentioned earlier, she'd be beaten for letting an inch of her ankle show if she tripped and fell in the street. If she was so afraid of laws regarding adultery, wouldn't she also be very careful in observing the rules about clothing?

But Harris, it seems to me, isn't interested in following Sharia codes. She has two children. Maybe she was worried about domestic violence at the hands of her husband or partner if there was a hint of impropriety. Especially if there was truth behind the joke. JMO, but that might be more likely. Still not an excuse for what she did, but domestic violence could be a factor. Domestic violence, street violence seem to be part and parcel of living in that area, if I understand what you and other posters have been describing. Such a bleak way to live.

IMO, Latia Harris acted like a , a member of some street gang--which she might have been at one time, or she might be associated with in some other way. Beating up someone to save face, to gain status would not be related to her religion. And her threatening a little boy was an act of cowardice, nothing to do with adultery. Everything to do with looking like a gang member.

It's clear that at the time of the attack, Harris obviously had not lost her Mcdonald's job because of the victim's joke to a her friends a few weeks earlier. Harris was wearing the Mcdonald's uniform when she went on her rampage. IMO, she's going to lose her job because she was videotaped threatening a child and beating up someone while wearing a Mcdonald's uniform.

ETA

In a statement on Thursday night, Salem City McDonald's owner Jim Burlaga said he was aware of the scuffle and is working with authorities during the investigation. "I am extremely disturbed by this kind of behavior and it goes against the values and standards that I expect from my employees in my restaurants," he said.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...hreatens-Toddler-264701331.html#ixzz36CVjBA3s

 

[wendiesan]

"State of mind" in this case, in my opinion...is about the general culture of living in poverty, in the ghetto. It's all about being "disrespected". There is no greater crime.
To simply ignore it, would have made the perp a "punk" ...
Being locked up, is perceived as acceptable and understandable in the situation.

In some areas, even looking at someone "too long", is viewed as a challenge.


All IMO

You were so on point with this post.
Harris earned respect for her brutality!

After being processed Monday night, Harris emerged from the back door of the police station in handcuffs. Harris was dressed in black slacks and a black and gray checkered blouse. Her hair was pulled back.

She did not answer reporters' questions. A crowd of about half a dozen young women gathered across Chestnut Street from the rear of the police station and yelled greetings to Harris as she headed for a police cruiser.

http://www.nj.com/salem/index.ssf/2014/06/salem_video_beating_suspect_latia_harris_is_arrested.html

 

[wendiesan]

Apologies if this has already been posted.
It's the digital image of the LaTia Harris arrest warrant.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/231452001/LaTia-Harris-arrest-warrant

As well

A search of criminal records found in December 2010 shows that she had been charged with hindering prosecution, but she was entered into the a pre-trial intervention program which she successfully completed and served no jail time.

http://www.nj.com/salem/index.ssf/2...salem_video_beating_suspect_latia_harris.html

 

[wendiesan]

Harris is also known as:
Alima Zawjatul Abdul Sabur
http://www.capitalbay.com/latest-ne...ught-on-camera-turns-herself-into-police.html

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

You were so on point with this post.
Harris earned respect for her brutality!



http://www.nj.com/salem/index.ssf/2014/06/salem_video_beating_suspect_latia_harris_is_arrested.html

I grew up in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago so I'm aware of the street cred issue when it relates to smack talking/stare downs. This was years ago though and truthfully; most people grew out of it by the time they were working and had children. Priorities change for most.

To threaten another persons small child is never acceptable in these communities. She would have earned no respect for that snafu.

It's a sad state of affairs when mothers (or anyone for that matter) believe this is the way to garner respect from people who really don't matter in the big picture. LH's alleged need for respect will only land her in prison. This is the stuff of teenagers, not adult women.

I have seen enough videos of women/mothers in physical altercations to know this is a problem in some communities. Be it poverty, lack of respect for oneself and others, etc. What's most sad is impressionable children are growing up with these.... values.

We need to empower our mothers, all mothers; not respect them for exacting revenge for an imagined threat to their livelihood. This is the stuff teenagers fight about. It's a shame really. That poor child watching his mother be beaten, I just can't imagine what that little guy was going through.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

Yes, and I am sure one's view is also affected by personal experiences. The only times I have ever been so enraged I imagined harming someone physically was because they either threatened my loved ones OR made petty political maneuvers to intentionally threaten my livelihood (which would also seriously impact my ability to support my loved ones).

That sort of thing can be VERY serious for many of us, especially single heads of household. Messing with someone's job security out of pettiness can be a real hot button when dependents are involved.

RBBM -- Are you saying you could see yourself beating someone black and blue because they spread a rumor about you? As an adult? I know this isn't what you mean, just pointing out that as sensible adults we're not afforded the careless judgement of street justice when dealing with these issues. There are real world consequences for pounding on a person because they said something bad about you.

What ever happened to talking to the person who wronged us? Is this the only way to problem solve? Beating the crap out of a persons head & face? Sorry, I don't buy it. She's a mother. She should have thought this through and not created such a monstrous event. Out of a rumor. :banghead: