GUILTY OR - Mark Dribin, 42, Portland, 02 July 1999 *Christopher Charles Lovrien sentenced*

  • #201
Sorry; did not mean to ask his parents. Who was in contact with his LE? They would know where the DNA sample is stored so it can be entered into NamUs if his remains are found. If someone can call his LE; I can relay to his NamUs case worker if needed.

I contacted his NamUs case worker; she's trying to find out who has his DNA.
Is Larry still on his case?

Portland Police Bureau - Cold Case Homicide Unit direct phone numbers below
Cold Case detective: Sgt. Margaret Bahnson (503) 823-0848
Det. Mike Weinstein (503) 823-0446
Portland PD general number (503) 823-3333.
Portland Police Cold Case Contact: Larry Findling (retired detective)
[email protected]

EDIT: I corrected the contact information and hair color in the poster. Here is the revised poster:

http://i.imgur.com/KgJfKrN.png

Is it possible to edit the flier to put the new contact info in when LinasK gets back to me?
 
  • #202
I contacted his NamUs case worker; she's trying to find out who has his DNA.
Is Larry still on his case?

Portland Police Bureau - Cold Case Homicide Unit direct phone numbers below
Cold Case detective: Sgt. Margaret Bahnson (503) 823-0848
Det. Mike Weinstein (503) 823-0446
Portland PD general number (503) 823-3333.
Portland Police Cold Case Contact: Larry Findling (retired detective)
[email protected]

I don't think so. I spoke to Detective Mike Weinstein. Thanks for your help Roselvr!
 
  • #203
I don't think so. I spoke to Detective Mike Weinstein. Thanks for your help Roselvr!


I gave her the contact numbers for Marks detectives; she will try to touch base with them.
 
  • #204
Hi. I'm a long time lurker here, and now first time poster. I read this thread this morning and thought it wouldn't hurt to add my thoughts to the discussion.

I feel very strongly that the "personal emergency" phone call is a key detail to solving this mystery. It needs to be weighed heavily in any theory about what happened. It is an integral piece of the puzzle, and I can't imagine any break in the case that doesn't directly tie in with that.

I know some of the things I'll say will be very basic, obvious, or even ridiculous, but I want to really break down the logic behind what's able to be inferred from the information available. That way it's easier to notice any inconsistencies or leaps. I don't at all mean for any of this to come across in a condescending way if that's the case! :peace: :angel:


Mark made the phone call

If Mark made the phone call, he was obviously dealing with someone he knew. I can't think of any potential "personal emergencies" he would call work about where he isn't either dealing with someone he knows, or taking himself to the hospital (which doesn't seem to be the case).

Furthermore, the fact that he was calling out of work says a lot about what he anticipated; whatever this "personal emergency" was, he only needed to call out of work for it. He wasn't afraid for his life, so whoever the person was, Mark did not know them to be violent or dangerous. He didn't call his family or the police. This is consistent with the speculation that the person who did this didn't have a criminal past or future after killing Mark. Was Mark naive, or did the situation escalate? Was the "emergency" somehow bigger than he was aware of?

How did Mark find out about this personal emergency? There are obviously a number of possibilities, but I imagine could have been a phone call. Were his phone records investigated? Had he spoken to anyone, probably RIGHT before he called work? The 4th of July was a Sunday; what was his work schedule like? If he the information he learned that constituted a personal emergency didn't come via telephone, it probably came to him in person. Was he at work the night before, or was he at The Eagle Bar? I am leaning toward the phone, though.

(* I just found this article, has it been posted? http://koin.com/2014/07/02/united-airlines-employee-presumed-dead/)

Someone who isn't Mark made the phone call

After I looked over everything I wrote, I noticed I had completely glossed over a very important piece of information which was that Mark was seen the day after he called out of work. Oops! I'll leave the following two sections in my post, though, for the off chance that the sighting was fake/incorrect (there is a discrepancy about his last sighting, after all):

The phone call also might NOT have been made by Mark. Again, I have no idea how likely that is, but it's possible, so I want to talk about that too.

If someone besides Mark made the phone call, they were pretending to be Mark (a personal emergency phone call in third person surely would have been mentioned by whoever reported the call in the first place(?)). The perpetrator would have to know Mark well enough to 1) know he was supposed to work, 2) know where he worked, 3) know the phone number. Again, either way you look at it, Mark knew this person, and probably very well. Unless some combination of a phone book and planner were used, which isn't impossible.


There was no phone call


The third possibility, which is a weird one, is that the call didn't happen. This would imply that his boss or whoever he would normally call is involved. If his phone records were never checked, though, it could have happened. I don't think it did, but I wanted to include it either way.

For argument's sake, there is a (very slim, imo) chance that the phone call was unrelated. If that's the case, I can't even imagine what took place.

The news article did have one line that sticks out to me as odd, and I'd like to hear others' opinions:

"Crime scene photos showed biological evidence in Dribin's house on Northeast 137th Avenue. All over the walls was evidence of blood spatter that investigators said appeared someone had cleaned up."

"Biological evidence?" Was the author just using a synonym for blood, or was something else found? I know there's no way of knowing, but I am mainly curious if the word choice caught anyone else's attention. To me, it felt like it could have been a polite way of omitting more "scandalous" details. However, I'm sure that other posters here are much more well-versed than myself with this sort of article, and it might be very normal. There was unidentified DNA at the scene, correct? Was it blood, or "biological evidence?" And what kind of death causes blood spatter on the walls? It seems either way to be too extreme for a dangerous-but-consensual act gone wrong.

Mark's car

This is the most confusing part of the story to me, but also probably as important as the phone call. Why would someone take Mark's car, only to abandon it in the same town? It was left in a place where it would obviously be found, and any evidence accidentally created and left in the car would be immediately linked to the case. Did the killer NEED to take his car to get away?

Mark lived about a half hour away from The Eagle Tavern by car, about an hour and a half away by public transportation (today, at least), and a 3 hour walk.
Mark's car was found about a half hour away from his home.
Mark's car was found a 17 minute drive or an hour and a half walk from The Eagle Tavern.

If the killer was able to get home from where the car was abandoned, they probably lived in the area; this doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it's an additional piece of evidence that Mark knew his killer.

Where did the killer go after abandoning the car? They could have 1) lived close by, 2) gone back to the Eagle Tavern to pick up their own car, 3) used public transportation.

The Eagle Tavern would have been active at night. If Mark was sighted there, then he was alive the night of Saturday, July 3rd. If he took someone back home with him in his own car, it would have been too late for that person to take public transportation home. This would explain why they had no choice but to steal the SUV. Can anyone think of any other explanation for what happened to his vehicle?

The community

It's very, very difficult for me to believe that there aren't people who know what happened to Mark. I can't help but wonder what could be important enough that they're afraid or unwilling to talk. There is so much reason to believe that whoever was behind this murder was a member of the same, specific community that Mark was a part of. Was he really out socializing the night after he called out of work for a personal emergency, and no one in the bar he frequented enough to be recognized knows what happened? He was known at The Eagle Tavern, but he didn't say goodbye to anyone? No one saw who he left with? Or did he, in fact, leave alone? Did someone expect him to be there, and somehow enter his vehicle unbeknownst to Mark? Even if that's the case, how did every single one of his past lovers or partners, whether there be 1, 2, 5, or 10 of them out there, manage not to be even a person of interest? I wonder who they were, and if they were ever actually questioned. It would be unfortunate (and completely irresponsible), but perhaps the detective(s) at the time were homophobic and uncomfortable entering a gay bar to investigate. There are so many questions! :(

A possible motive for a scorned lover (and I say this with complete respect and compassion, and not a shred of judgement, as I have beloved friends and family members, just like Mark, who have dealt with this issue); could Mark have been involved with someone who contracted an STD such as HIV? A former partner could have been diagnosed, and blamed Mark. They could have even simply informed him. That alone would be reason enough to call out of work. If there were no former boyfriends mentioned or even known to his family, it's possible that Mark hadn't been in any long-term, committed relationships. If that was the case, a betrayed lover would be unlikely. On the other hand, someone with no history of violence who was just given (what in 1999 could have felt like) a death sentence may have been driven to murder, especially if they thought they (and the victim, for that matter) would soon be dead anyway. If the culprit passed away or was terminally ill, it might explain why those who knew what happened, assuming they existed, failed to come forward.

One last thing:
Is the "White Eagle" Tavern separate from The Eagle Tavern?
http://www.ghostsandcritters.com/oregonghosts.html
While I'm not into paranormal, this website mentions a "haunted" bar in Portland called the White Eagle which experienced "many strange events", specifically in the early weeks of July 1999.

Thank you for taking the time to read this. As I mentioned above, I learned new information I had previously missed after I had begun writing this, so hopefully it still holds up. Hoping to hear what others think, and looking forward to a resolution to this case.
 
  • #205
Welcome j123! I'm Mark's family and we welcome your theories.
My thoughts are that something blew up with the person Mark was dating, hence the "personal emergency", but Mark probably had no clue that they could be that violent. He hadn't confided in his father whom he was dating, but you're right in that someone in his inner circle had to know who it was. I've gathered that his manner of death is that he was beaten, probably punched first, but I could be wrong.
 
  • #206
Mark's NamUs profile now has DNA!
Status: Sample submitted - Tests complete

Back in a little while
 
  • #207
Hi. I'm a long time lurker here, and now first time poster. I read this thread this morning and thought it wouldn't hurt to add my thoughts to the discussion.

I feel very strongly that the "personal emergency" phone call is a key detail to solving this mystery. It needs to be weighed heavily in any theory about what happened. It is an integral piece of the puzzle, and I can't imagine any break in the case that doesn't directly tie in with that.

I know some of the things I'll say will be very basic, obvious, or even ridiculous, but I want to really break down the logic behind what's able to be inferred from the information available. That way it's easier to notice any inconsistencies or leaps. I don't at all mean for any of this to come across in a condescending way if that's the case! :peace: :angel:


Mark made the phone call

If Mark made the phone call, he was obviously dealing with someone he knew. I can't think of any potential "personal emergencies" he would call work about where he isn't either dealing with someone he knows, or taking himself to the hospital (which doesn't seem to be the case).

Furthermore, the fact that he was calling out of work says a lot about what he anticipated; whatever this "personal emergency" was, he only needed to call out of work for it. He wasn't afraid for his life, so whoever the person was, Mark did not know them to be violent or dangerous. He didn't call his family or the police. This is consistent with the speculation that the person who did this didn't have a criminal past or future after killing Mark. Was Mark naive, or did the situation escalate? Was the "emergency" somehow bigger than he was aware of?

How did Mark find out about this personal emergency? There are obviously a number of possibilities, but I imagine could have been a phone call. Were his phone records investigated? Had he spoken to anyone, probably RIGHT before he called work? The 4th of July was a Sunday; what was his work schedule like? If he the information he learned that constituted a personal emergency didn't come via telephone, it probably came to him in person. Was he at work the night before, or was he at The Eagle Bar? I am leaning toward the phone, though.

(* I just found this article, has it been posted? http://koin.com/2014/07/02/united-airlines-employee-presumed-dead/)

Someone who isn't Mark made the phone call

After I looked over everything I wrote, I noticed I had completely glossed over a very important piece of information which was that Mark was seen the day after he called out of work. Oops! I'll leave the following two sections in my post, though, for the off chance that the sighting was fake/incorrect (there is a discrepancy about his last sighting, after all):

The phone call also might NOT have been made by Mark. Again, I have no idea how likely that is, but it's possible, so I want to talk about that too.

If someone besides Mark made the phone call, they were pretending to be Mark (a personal emergency phone call in third person surely would have been mentioned by whoever reported the call in the first place(?)). The perpetrator would have to know Mark well enough to 1) know he was supposed to work, 2) know where he worked, 3) know the phone number. Again, either way you look at it, Mark knew this person, and probably very well. Unless some combination of a phone book and planner were used, which isn't impossible.


There was no phone call


The third possibility, which is a weird one, is that the call didn't happen. This would imply that his boss or whoever he would normally call is involved. If his phone records were never checked, though, it could have happened. I don't think it did, but I wanted to include it either way.

For argument's sake, there is a (very slim, imo) chance that the phone call was unrelated. If that's the case, I can't even imagine what took place.

The news article did have one line that sticks out to me as odd, and I'd like to hear others' opinions:

"Crime scene photos showed biological evidence in Dribin's house on Northeast 137th Avenue. All over the walls was evidence of blood spatter that investigators said appeared someone had cleaned up."

"Biological evidence?" Was the author just using a synonym for blood, or was something else found? I know there's no way of knowing, but I am mainly curious if the word choice caught anyone else's attention. To me, it felt like it could have been a polite way of omitting more "scandalous" details. However, I'm sure that other posters here are much more well-versed than myself with this sort of article, and it might be very normal. There was unidentified DNA at the scene, correct? Was it blood, or "biological evidence?" And what kind of death causes blood spatter on the walls? It seems either way to be too extreme for a dangerous-but-consensual act gone wrong.

Mark's car

This is the most confusing part of the story to me, but also probably as important as the phone call. Why would someone take Mark's car, only to abandon it in the same town? It was left in a place where it would obviously be found, and any evidence accidentally created and left in the car would be immediately linked to the case. Did the killer NEED to take his car to get away?

Mark lived about a half hour away from The Eagle Tavern by car, about an hour and a half away by public transportation (today, at least), and a 3 hour walk.
Mark's car was found about a half hour away from his home.
Mark's car was found a 17 minute drive or an hour and a half walk from The Eagle Tavern.

If the killer was able to get home from where the car was abandoned, they probably lived in the area; this doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it's an additional piece of evidence that Mark knew his killer.

Where did the killer go after abandoning the car? They could have 1) lived close by, 2) gone back to the Eagle Tavern to pick up their own car, 3) used public transportation.

The Eagle Tavern would have been active at night. If Mark was sighted there, then he was alive the night of Saturday, July 3rd. If he took someone back home with him in his own car, it would have been too late for that person to take public transportation home. This would explain why they had no choice but to steal the SUV. Can anyone think of any other explanation for what happened to his vehicle?

The community

It's very, very difficult for me to believe that there aren't people who know what happened to Mark. I can't help but wonder what could be important enough that they're afraid or unwilling to talk. There is so much reason to believe that whoever was behind this murder was a member of the same, specific community that Mark was a part of. Was he really out socializing the night after he called out of work for a personal emergency, and no one in the bar he frequented enough to be recognized knows what happened? He was known at The Eagle Tavern, but he didn't say goodbye to anyone? No one saw who he left with? Or did he, in fact, leave alone? Did someone expect him to be there, and somehow enter his vehicle unbeknownst to Mark? Even if that's the case, how did every single one of his past lovers or partners, whether there be 1, 2, 5, or 10 of them out there, manage not to be even a person of interest? I wonder who they were, and if they were ever actually questioned. It would be unfortunate (and completely irresponsible), but perhaps the detective(s) at the time were homophobic and uncomfortable entering a gay bar to investigate. There are so many questions! :(

A possible motive for a scorned lover (and I say this with complete respect and compassion, and not a shred of judgement, as I have beloved friends and family members, just like Mark, who have dealt with this issue); could Mark have been involved with someone who contracted an STD such as HIV? A former partner could have been diagnosed, and blamed Mark. They could have even simply informed him. That alone would be reason enough to call out of work. If there were no former boyfriends mentioned or even known to his family, it's possible that Mark hadn't been in any long-term, committed relationships. If that was the case, a betrayed lover would be unlikely. On the other hand, someone with no history of violence who was just given (what in 1999 could have felt like) a death sentence may have been driven to murder, especially if they thought they (and the victim, for that matter) would soon be dead anyway. If the culprit passed away or was terminally ill, it might explain why those who knew what happened, assuming they existed, failed to come forward.

One last thing:
Is the "White Eagle" Tavern separate from The Eagle Tavern?
http://www.ghostsandcritters.com/oregonghosts.html
While I'm not into paranormal, this website mentions a "haunted" bar in Portland called the White Eagle which experienced "many strange events", specifically in the early weeks of July 1999.

Thank you for taking the time to read this. As I mentioned above, I learned new information I had previously missed after I had begun writing this, so hopefully it still holds up. Hoping to hear what others think, and looking forward to a resolution to this case.

Welcome to WS!
Not sure if you saw my 1st post which was #200 in this thread. I had some of the same thoughts, especially about AIDS! I also did a google map of the 3 locations. Also see my post #202 that has all of Mark's info including the blog radio

What I normally do when reading threads like this one is thank each post that I have read; posts I want to go back to, I will leave no thanks on until I'm able to get back to it to read it better.

Been trying to read this thread for a long time. Finally was able to. I have a few thoughts that I am surprised no one brought up.

Post #106 by Kemo has info on the bar.

We know nothing about this case. What we do not know is what Mark's friends told the Police. Obviously Mark had a circle of friends. He may have had a "lover", one or more "ex-lovers" and others who would know something about his life, his associates and whatever he had going on. If the results of the interviews with his friends is withheld from his family and the media, then there is absolutely nothing to even speculate about.

For whatever it is worth, the Eagle Bar was a "Leather Bar" at that time. Within the Gay Community, the Leather scene is a somewhat edgy S&M type subculture that a friend of mine described as: "99% play acting with just enough real danger to keep everyone interested".

While it is possible that he just had a "bad date", the fact that he took a day off for "personel reasons" and his body disappeared suggests that he knew his killer; in fact his killer was probably amonst his know circle of friends.

As for the Eagle Bar being a "Leather Bar"; was it the only gay bar around?

Think back to 1999. The net was just starting to get popular. I swore I'd never have a computer but got one. I met a gal at a rose forum who lived in CA; she had a son that had passed away from AIDS. Does anyone remember AIDS back then? Secrecy; panic; terror... I do wonder if they still have samples of Mark's blood from then & if it was tested. I am not saying Mark had AIDS; just saying that it's possible it's part of what originally happened. What if the lover tested positive?

He was possibly last seen at the bar on the 3rd. What if it was actually the 2nd or very early morning such as 12:30am on the 3rd; so it would be the same time frame of Mark calling out of work... Any idea what time he worked? He calls out; meets the person at the bar. They eventually go back to Mark's to talk but it turns bad.

Curious who the friend was that reported him missing or was it his work that called to say he never came in?

*Edit - where is Mark's SUV? Do LE still have it?

Map - *Note Portland airport is above B & C
A - Eagle Tavern
B - Mark's house
C - Mark's car

A member here, who was kind enough to recently start looking into Mark's case directed me to an article which had some specific information I had missed. Mark lived at N.E. 137th Ave in Portland. His SUV was a Black, 2-door 1995 Ford Explorer Sport with Oregon license plates: SL-14414 was found at S.E. 43rd Ave & Division, an area he didn't frequent. Also there is some discrepancy as to when he was last seen. His neighbors last saw him on 7/2 at 2:00 according to the Doe Network, but according to this article, he was last seen on 7/3 at the Eagle Tavern on S.W. 13th Ave. & Burnside St.
Also,in his apartment, there was a massive cleanup of blood spatter all over the walls. This was new to me.

One last thing, before I give the article link, since his father and brother's names are listed in the article, I can now feel comfortable divulging their names. His father's name is Ken (I know him by Kenny), and his brother's name is Terry. Thanks for everyone that's given this case their time and attention. Let's hope it leads to Mark's remains and getting justice by getting his killer.

http://www.kptv.com/story/15952823/cold-case-detectives-re-examine-portland-mans-disappearance

Is anyone running the Help Find Mark Dribin FB page?
 
  • #208
Thank you Roselvr! I thought I had been careful, but I somehow did totally miss your post.

For whatever reason, this case is sticking with me. I've begun looking through some of the unidentified on NamUs. Needless to say, it's a bit unsettling.

LinasK, it's a bit of a longshot, but would you happen to know if Mark was balding or if he just happened to shave his head? Do the men in your family lose their hair? I ask because there have been a few UIDs I've come across with full heads of hair. I'm leaning toward that being a disqualifier for them being Mark, but figured I'd ask just in case.

Also wondering if Mark/your family is religious, i.e. would it have been unusual for him to be wearing a cross?
 
  • #209
  • #210
Thank you Roselvr! I thought I had been careful, but I somehow did totally miss your post.

For whatever reason, this case is sticking with me. I've begun looking through some of the unidentified on NamUs. Needless to say, it's a bit unsettling.

LinasK, it's a bit of a longshot, but would you happen to know if Mark was balding or if he just happened to shave his head? Do the men in your family lose their hair? I ask because there have been a few UIDs I've come across with full heads of hair. I'm leaning toward that being a disqualifier for them being Mark, but figured I'd ask just in case.

Also wondering if Mark/your family is religious, i.e. would it have been unusual for him to be wearing a cross?

Hi J123, I've been away from this thread recently, life intrudes. Mark shouldn't have worn a cross, he was Jewish, unless he was converting/Jews for Jesus and we didn't know about it. He was a relatively young man, so he shouldn't have been going bald. My guess is that he shaved his head. I remember him in younger days as having thick curly reddish hair. Both parents are redheads. Mom has bright red hair.
 
  • #211
Bumping and subscribing..

Why would someone go through such pains to hide Mark?
 
  • #212
Just wanted to say excellent, well thought out posts by j123 & Roselvr on ideas of what happened to Mark.

Hoping Mark is found soon as well as answers to what happened to him.
 
  • #213
:( I got all excited when I saw j123's post. j123, welcome to WS!!
 
  • #214
J123, just realized I didn't answer your question- no the men in my family aren't bald, but my dad & older brother do have thinning hair. When I get time, probably after the holidays I'll try to scan in a picture of him when he was younger- teens.
 
  • #215
ended up here via linask's sig from another thread.
bumping up for mark :rose:
 
  • #216
Bumping up for LinasK

Thanks Coffee, you are so sweet!:hug: Now I can't get to my scanner because we are painting, but when things are back hooked up, I still plan to try to scan in an older picture of Mark that I think I have.
 
  • #217
i just went through the thread and im sorry first of all LinasK for the loss....

it struck me that i think, since it seems no one knew who is partner was..... maybe he was closeted?
 
  • #218
I have something exciting to report- I have some potentially new information and I'm beginning to think we can find Mark and bring him home! First of all, different contact information is now listed for Portland P.D. The officer in charge is now listed as: Det. Lori Fonken (503)
More importantly- this new website Reveal, which suggests matches for the unidentified- I think I've narrowed it down to 9 potential matches to Mark!!! I could be wrong, and I won't call his father until it's positive, but my hope is that Mark was already found, but never identified, as maybe the killer took his body/floated outside of Portland city limits.
 
  • #219
I have something exciting to report- I have some potentially new information and I'm beginning to think we can find Mark and bring him home! First of all, different contact information is now listed for Portland P.D. The officer in charge is now listed as: Det. Lori Fonken (503) 460-4747.
More importantly- this new website Reveal, which suggests matches for the unidentified- I think I've narrowed it down to 9 potential matches to Mark!!! I could be wrong, and I won't call his father until it's positive, but my hope is that Mark was already found, but never identified, as maybe the killer took his body/floated outside of Portland city limits.

I hope this year is the year! I'm excited about this new tool/website. I feel it will really help us solve some cases. Hopefully Mark's!
 
  • #220
I hope this year is the year! I'm excited about this new tool/website. I feel it will really help us solve some cases. Hopefully Mark's!
Thanks! Ilene too!
 

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