OR - Militia members occupy federal building in Oregon after protest #1

[bluesneakers]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYFGO2FWYAEKpn8.jpg

 

[Tulessa]

Those were really messed up, and hysterical. Somehow now the word cowpokes brings a totally wrong image to mind.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :floorlaugh:

 

[SuzDuJour]

I honestly can't tell if this is true or satire...
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/tea...-finding-out-there-is-no-such-thing-as-santa/

If it's true, theses are the saddest klowns ever..

 

[bluesneakers]

I honestly can't tell if this is true or satire...
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/tea...-finding-out-there-is-no-such-thing-as-santa/

If it's true, theses are the saddest klowns ever..

I don't know if he said the Santa thing. I don't know if it was satire but people on twitter talked about it too. The video has been deleted so I guess it's just rumour.

But while looking for that I found this:

At Bundy encampment, outsider says militants 'attacked' his group

Lewis Arthur, who leads a group called Veterans on Patrol and calls himself an anti-violence patriot, arrived Wednesday afternoon with a small crew.

By Wednesday night, one of Arthur's three-person crew was in the hospital, his eye blackened from a punch to the face.

Arther and his group entered the compound Wednesday night, hoping to convince a female acquaintance to abandon the standoff.

That's when the trouble started.

Arthur said Cooper punched him in the back of the head, then attacked his comrade, who goes by the name of J Dog. The group retreated, and J Dog went to the hospital.

Jason Patrick, another participant in the refuge standoff, tells a different story.

In a Facebook post Thursday morning, he said Arthur initiated the scuffle when he "assaulted a guard" in an attempt to enter the compound.

There's a video and more at the link.

 

[Brightbird]

We've gone from comedy to tragedy. It's beautiful, really.

Irvin said the militants felt betrayed by Oshaugnessy, who had taken part like many of them in the 2014 standoff at the Bundy ranch — where various factions within the right-wing “patriot” movement also squabbled.

“It’s like finding out there is no such thing as Santa,” Irvin said. “Come on, man.”

 

[IzzyBlanche]

This is ridiculous. They are allowed to come and go? Sleeping at motels? Eating at restaurants in town?

WHY AREN'T THEY BEING ARRESTED?

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[Tawny]

This is ridiculous. They are allowed to come and go? Sleeping at motels? Eating at restaurants in town?

WHY AREN'T THEY BEING ARRESTED?

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[bluesneakers]

This is ridiculous. They are allowed to come and go? Sleeping at motels? Eating at restaurants in town?

WHY AREN'T THEY BEING ARRESTED?

<modsnip>

It's more than just not being arrested - the sheriff did everything he could to placate Bundy at that ridiculous mano a mano. :blah:

 

[TupeloMz]

It's more than just not being arrested - the sheriff did everything he could to placate Bundy at that ridiculous mano a mano. :blah:

My take from that video was that the sheriff wants them out of his county and is willing to escort them safely out. He also says what the Feds want to do about them occupying their building is up to the Feds.
I think he did the only thing he could do at this point. IMOO

 

[Tawny]

My take from that video was that the sheriff wants them out of his county and is willing to escort them safely out. He also says what the Feds want to do about them occupying their building is up to the Feds.
I think he did the only thing he could do at this point. IMOO

I find it interesting the Feds would allow that, but then again, maybe they're ready and waiting for him and his crew to roll out so they can swoop in.

 

[TupeloMz]

My take from that video was that the sheriff wants them out of his county and is willing to escort them safely out. He also says what the Feds want to do about them occupying their building is up to the Feds.
I think he did the only thing he could do at this point. IMOO

I find it interesting the Feds would allow that, but then again, maybe they're ready and waiting for him and his crew to roll out so they can swoop in.

That is what I took from what the Sheriff said.
It is a federal building on federal land.
Imo once they leave the Feds will arrest them.
My guess is that the Feds do not want an armed confrontation and are willing to wait them out. All jmoo.

 

[bluesneakers]

I find it interesting the Feds would allow that, but then again, maybe they're ready and waiting for him and his crew to roll out so they can swoop in.

Fingers crossed, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Even if they swoop in the mm will still be armed and ready.

 

[i.b.nora]

I found the following piece informative, interesting, and helpful to me:

The Fundamentalist Religious Views That Inspired Ammon Bundy and His Militia to Occupy a Remote Federal Facility in Oregon
Posted: 01/07/2016 1:56 pm EST Updated: 01/07/2016 2:59 pm EST
By Jon Krakauer, Author, 'Missoula'
Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-k...ous-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html

snippet

“To understand the source of the Bundy's self-righteous anger, it's helpful to examine their religious views, which are rooted in a maverick strain of fundamentalism found throughout rural Oregon, Wyoming, Idaho, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Nevada. I became intimately familiar with this worldview when I was conducting research for the book Under the Banner of Heaven.

My book tells the true story of two brothers, Dan and Ron Lafferty, who killed their sister-in-law and her infant daughter 32 years ago. Dan was sentenced to life in prison. Ron was sentenced to death. Dan claims they murdered this smart, compassionate woman and her baby because God commanded them to do so.

Below, are two excerpts from the book -- five paragraphs from the Prologue, and Chapter Twelve in its entirety -- which provide insight not only into the rationale given by the Lafferty brothers to justify these murders, but also into the rationale offered by the Bundy brothers for their own transgressive acts.”​

 

[Everyday Grace]

Fulton, 60, a lifelong Burns resident and a leading businessman who owns the town’s weekly newspaper, the Burns Times-Herald, said the standoff is hurting his town.

As legions of federal law enforcement officials arrive here – one hotel manager said 40 of 114 rooms are rented by federal officials – local businessmen worry the emerging battle lines will discourage visitors and keep workers at home.

Fulton also said a plan to turn off power at the site, first reported by the Guardian, had run into snags. Local power officials at the meeting said the move would also cut power to several surrounding ranches and that the only way to isolate the wildlife refuge would be to send men to the site to cut the local lines.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-prepares-for-fourth-night-in-oregon-standoff

 

[bluesneakers]

I highly recommend Under the Banner of Heaven, as well as any other book he's written. Great stuff.

 

[Everyday Grace]

I found the following piece informative, interesting, and helpful to me:

The Fundamentalist Religious Views That Inspired Ammon Bundy and His Militia to Occupy a Remote Federal Facility in Oregon
Posted: 01/07/2016 1:56 pm EST Updated: 01/07/2016 2:59 pm EST
By Jon Krakauer, Author, 'Missoula'
Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-k...ous-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html

snippet

“To understand the source of the Bundy's self-righteous anger, it's helpful to examine their religious views, which are rooted in a maverick strain of fundamentalism found throughout rural Oregon, Wyoming, Idaho, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Nevada. I became intimately familiar with this worldview when I was conducting research for the book Under the Banner of Heaven.

My book tells the true story of two brothers, Dan and Ron Lafferty, who killed their sister-in-law and her infant daughter 32 years ago. Dan was sentenced to life in prison. Ron was sentenced to death. Dan claims they murdered this smart, compassionate woman and her baby because God commanded them to do so.

Below, are two excerpts from the book -- five paragraphs from the Prologue, and Chapter Twelve in its entirety -- which provide insight not only into the rationale given by the Lafferty brothers to justify these murders, but also into the rationale offered by the Bundy brothers for their own transgressive acts.”​

Good read. I have the book and have read it more than once. I had forgotten how much the Laffertys were infected by anti-government thinking until you posted this.

(BBM)

Energized by the self-evident righteousness of his crusade, in the summer of 1982 Dan declared himself a candidate for sheriff of Utah County and embarked on a lively political campaign, speaking at public forums, writing letters to the Provo newspaper, doing radio interviews, and riding in small-town parades. He promised, if elected, to enforce the laws according to a scrupulously literal interpretation of the U.S. Constitution. As he explained, "My motive in running was to restore the primacy of Common Law juries, and to restore the fundamentals of the Constitution."

I believe that a "common law grand jury" is the mechanism that the Bundy Bunch intends to use to meet their objective of removing the refuge land from federal ownership.

Prior to the armed takeover of the Malheur Refuge, Ryan Bundy and Ammon Bundy established a "Committee for Public Safety" (or similarly titled) in Harney County.

I suspect that group will be the core of the common law grand jury. I also think we will be hearing more about this in the near future.

These are tactics that were used extensively by the Montana Freeman in the 1990s. The end result of those tactics for the Freeman was long prison sentences.

The legalese claptrap of these degrees of Sovereign Citizenry believers holds no basis in US law, regardless of the fervor of its believers. In fact, many of the practices violate federal and state laws.

Dealing with an onslaught of "filings" can become a nightmare for local officials in rural areas.

Another author/reporter to look for is David Neiwert. His book "In God's Country" provides a good understanding of extremism with a focus on the Pacific Northwest.

In it, he includes extensive attention to the Freeman seige. He also writes about the influence of fundamentalist Mormon doctrine upon the extremists who come from an LDS background.

 

[Everyday Grace]

A couple of recent pieces by Neiwert:

Bundy explained his rationale, such as it is, in a press release shortly before the occupation began: “The United States Justice Department has NO jurisdiction or authority within the State of Oregon, County of Harney over this type of ranch management. These lands are not under U.S. treaties or commerce, they are not article 4 territories, and Congress does not have unlimited power.”

The men leading the protest believe in an arcane interpretation of the Constitution that radically limits the reach and scope of the federal government — in their alternate universe, the county sheriff is the highest authority, while the feds are limited to regulating overseas trade and waging war. Derived from the racist swamplands of far-right extremism, their version of “constitutionalism” reflects a paranoid culture in which government officials are believed to be trading away Americans’ freedom on behalf of a nefarious New World Order that seeks to enslave all mankind.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ada-standoff-led-to-the-occupation-in-oregon/

This kind of internecine bickering is a common feature of far-right organizing, especially in the antigovernment realm. For instance, while far-right mythology now enshrines the [2014] Bundy Ranch standoff as an epic moment of victory for their cause in which disparate groups came together, the reality is that the Bundy scene quickly dissolved into nasty factional quarrels, replete with drawn weapons and death threats.

So far, things haven’t devolved that far in Burns. However, no one has spread rumors (as they did at Bundy Ranch) of an imminent drone attack over their encampment, either – though Rhodes’ Oath Keepers website did post a warning that “military special op assets have been assigned for the standoff,” along with the advice to “keep women and children out of there.”

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...eover-reveals-deep-divisions-among-‘patriots’

There has been some visible "devolvement" at Malheur since this was published. How far remains to be seen.

 

[EllieBee]

Frankly I am getting really tired of trying to rationalize WHY these law-breakers are being given carte blanche and kid glove handling.

Treading lightly here, but we always read that if a person break a law, they forfeit the right to move about freely and if they verbally or physically resist or even show disrespect to the LEO, they can expect to be taken down with force. And in some cases, we are talking about people only SUSPECTED of committing a crime and they end up dead or beaten. These "militia" people have BROKEN THE LAW. They have threatened to use their weapons if LE attempts to do their job and remive or arrest them. They are criminals.

Can ANYONE tell me why this is not happening here? Anyone? Bueller?

 

[bluesneakers]

Frankly I am getting really tired of trying to rationalize WHY these law-breakers are being given carte blanche and kid glove handling.

Treading lightly here, but we always read that if a person break a law, they forfeit the right to move about freely and if they verbally or physically resist or even show disrespect to the LEO, they can expect to be taken down with force. And in some cases, we are talking about people only SUSPECTED of committing a crime and they end up dead or beaten. These "militia" people have BROKEN THE LAW. They have threatened to use their weapons if LE attempts to do their job and remive or arrest them. They are criminals.

Can ANYONE tell me why this is not happening here? Anyone? Bueller?

I probably have no idea what I'm talking about but I always assume it goes back to Ruby Ridge and Waco, because I can't come up with any other possible reason. <modsnip>

This is an armed rebellion and the Feds and sheriff are apparently sitting back and letting them do whatever they want. Do they know something we don't? Do they have a master plan?

Anyone? Bueller?

 

[i.b.nora]

I think there is a plan.