OR - Militia members occupy federal building in Oregon after protest #1

[SuzDuJour]

And why would that change his opinion on what, if any, laws the militia has broken?

If any?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...al-law-legal-experts-prosecution-prison-fines


“There are a panoply of federal statutes that focus on trespassing on federal lands and misuse of federal property,” said David Hayes, a visiting lecturer at Stanford Law School and former deputy secretary of the US Department of the Interior.

Because the militia are armed and occupying a number of government buildings in a protected wildlife sanctuary, federal prosecutors would have jurisdiction to bring charges under multiple laws.

If a person “knowingly converts to his use” property of the federal government, that person could face a fine and a prison sentence of up to 10 years if the value of the property is greater than $1,000.

Willful property destruction at protected sanctuaries could yield a six-month prison sentence. A separate statute says that if someone “willfully and maliciously” destroys property on certain federal lands, then he or she could face a fine of up to $250,000 and five years in prison.

Bundy and a group of prominent members of the militia removed part of a government fence dividing private and public lands – in front of news cameras – using a US Fish and Wildlife Service

Over the past two weeks, the militia have made themselves at home in a number of federal buildings, using the site’s kitchens, beds, offices, museum and other buildings. The Guardian has repeatedly witnessed occupiers driving federal vehicles around the compound. Other reporters have also observed members of the militia accessing government computers and possibly using employee ID badges left on site.

Another federal statute prohibits the possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in federal facilities, with only limited exceptions for law enforcement. Violation of that statute could lead to a fine and a one-year prison sentence. If someone intended to use the weapon in the commission of a crime, then the sentence could be five years.

There are also Oregon anti-trespassing laws that local prosecutors could review when considering charges.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Not to mention they probably have by now eaten all of the food the refuge employees left in the office refrigerators, and the snacks they had in their unlocked desk drawers.

To office drudges who have experienced such a violation, this is a crime deserving of the death penalty.

 

[KaaBoom]

That's not everyone's opinion. E.g., Danny Coulson, retired Deputy Director of the FBI, said the only law being broken is perhaps trespassing.

So breaking and entering into a government building, theft of government property, and destruction of government property is not a crime?<modsnip>

 

[KaaBoom]

They are on land that has nothing, I mean nothing, on it. They have been there since the 19th century? If you've ever been to Assateague or the Virginia Highlands, they're the same sort of wild creature. Really, they are quite special. There are feral dogs in the wild, by the way: they interbreed with cayotes.

Most of the wild houses on public land today are the result of the Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act of 1971.

 

[EllieBee]

So they are still there, then? *yawn*

 

[bluesneakers]

So they are still there, then? *yawn*

They must be bored.

How many of them are reading this thread?

 

[flourish]

Live Action Role Play.

Like when people dress up as characters from movies or comic books or history and act out scenes.

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Oh oh! I feel a Mad Men party at flourish's house coming on! Maybe to celebrate if these people ever leave my dang state!

 

[i.b.nora]

Conrad Wilson
Conrad Wilson – Verified account &#8207;@conradjwilson

There appears to be demonstration scheduled for today outside the FBI headquarters in Burns #Oregonstandoff
11:37 AM - 16 Jan 2016

 

[bluesneakers]

Oh oh! I feel a Mad Men party at flourish's house coming on! Maybe to celebrate if these people ever leave my dang state!

I have the perfect pedal pushers!

 

[human]

My hubby says that it would take a few minutes to install a breaker to cut off electricity.

He thinks maybe that they are being allowed to ridicule themselves to death? ( the mm) I use the m part in men with quotes. "Men"

 

[human]

Problem is, most families are not going to want to go there for a family vacation: no Disneyland, no shopping, no Burger King. And there is no accommodation! Either you have to back into Burns or you have to go down to FrenchGlen (population 12) and stay in the historic hotel with tiny rooms and bathrooms down the hallway (showers down the hallway, too), or else you have to go camping between French Glen and Steens Mountain.

It will really help to look at a map (check out the scale) and look over the photos I posted a couple of days ago.

Malheur is so yesterday. There are tons of other parks that famlies can occupy for their vacation

 

[pappa rob]

They must be bored.

How many of them are reading this thread?

Wouldn't that depend on who's there to read it for them...

 

[bluesneakers]

Some people are more equal than others.

[video=twitter;688444238531407872]https://twitter.com/conradjwilson/status/688444238531407872[/video]

 

[bluesneakers]

I've been watching twitter for news of the demonstration and found this. I don't remember seeing it here yet.

New Militants, Supplies Arrive With Ease At Malheur Refuge

From Tennessee, Arkansas, Ohio. Probably more.

New militants continue to join the occupation at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

The armed occupiers still won’t tell exactly how many people are occupying the refuge headquarters, but it’s clear some newcomers have shown up. OPB reporters estimate that the number of occupiers has grown to about 30, even with the apparent departure of some of the first occupiers.

Welcome to the 1950s:

The militant women organize new supplies as they arrive and cook meals together in the kitchen.

 

[bluesneakers]

Oregon standoff: Occupiers remove cameras, clash with conservationists

The morning news briefing that has become routine over the 15-day occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge descended into a shouting match Saturday, complete with a bullhorn and name-calling, after a trio of conservationists tried to speak.

"This in my opinion is unreasonable search," said LaVoyce Sinicum, referencing the Fourth Amendment as he held up one of the cameras he claimed had been installed by the FBI.

Members of the Center for Biological Diversity, led by executive director Kierán Suckling, arrived for Saturday briefing carrying signs and waiting for an opening to speak against the seizure of the wildlife refuge 30 miles south of Burns.

But before he could finish, the occupiers started screaming and booing.

"We're here to speak up for public land, which belongs to the public," Suckling continued over the roar.

"These people are trying to take the land away."

Pete Santilli, one of the occupiers, pulled out a bullhorn and started screaming "communist" and "fascist." He then flipped on a siren and said, "You're under arrest for bull****ting"

 

[i.b.nora]

The one from Clarksville, Tennessee

https://www.facebook.com/people/Carl-Brammann/100010274344897

There is another facebook for a guy with the same name and with a picture, who is originally from Pequot Lakes, Minnesota who was in the US Army, that I think is the same guy.

Kind of like, 'two faces of carl'.

 

[i.b.nora]

You know, I was just thinking that maybe if LaVoy, aka Tarpman, had had cameras trained on his big water thingies on his ranch, he could have caught on camera the Feds who he claimed sabotaged the drain.

 

[bluesneakers]

The one from Clarksville, Tennessee

https://www.facebook.com/people/Carl-Brammann/100010274344897

There is another facebook for a guy with the same name and with a picture, who is originally from Pequot Lakes, Minnesota who was in the US Army, that I think is the same guy.

Kind of like, 'two faces of carl'.

That picture from August 20th. Hmm.

 

[RickshawFan]

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3846473.pdf

That's Malheur National Forest. It's, ummmmm., National Forest? As in US Forest Service land? USDA and not Interior? It's a ponderosa pine forest? It's up by John Day? 100 miles+ from Malheur Wildlife Refuge?

As I mentioned, that blogger has never been to Oregon. Bogus. And, what's more, they don't know the difference between the BLM and USFS, Interior and Agriculture, pine forest and range land, reliable sources and BS.

 

[RickshawFan]

Well color me confused then, because this map shows Murderers Creek as being north of Burns:

while this map shows the Malheur Wildlife Refuge as being south of Burns and in a completely different county:

Exactly. See my post ^^^^^^. 100+ miles away.