OR - Militia members occupy federal building in Oregon after protest #1

[flourish]

We also own Yosemite, Glacier National, Acadia, Mount Rushmore, Yellowstone, Crater Lake...

I'm not sure which one I want to take over yet.

Starting next Tuesday, Crater Lake will henceforth be known as "flourish's fabulous fancy faucet." Come to my lake-warming starting at 2pm and going into July of 2018. Bring glitter. Lots and lots of glitter. I'll explain more later.

https://youtu.be/iu0orqfyv8M

 

[bluesneakers]

"Oppressing the Backbone of America." For a bunch of tough guys they sure are emo.

Thank god not all emo kids are heavily armed and potentially dangerous.

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/de...7215f047618a363be485c7d9c4a.JPG?itok=YO3ilEEV

 

[KaaBoom]

Who or what owns the Grand Canyon?

It’s US Government property. It’s a national park.

 

[KaaBoom]

What if your local or federal government decided they really like the place you live in, and they'd like you to please leave right now so they can use it as a free hotel for your fellow citizens?

Or maybe they don't think it's a nice enough place, so they want you to vacate so they can demolish it? And let your fellow citizens use it as a nature preserve and camping spot?

I think most people would be a bit upset about that.

I’d leave. It could happen too. I live right next to a major highway. If they ever widen the highway, I’d probably have to go.

 

[KaaBoom]

Authorities plan to cut off power to militia at occupied Oregon refuge

A federal government official told the Guardian that authorities were planning on Monday to cut the power at the refuge.

“It’s in the middle of nowhere,” said the official, who is based in Washington, DC, and has knowledge of the planned response to the militia. “And it’s flat- cold up there.”

“After they shut off the power, they’ll kill the phone service,” the government official added. “Then they’ll block all the roads so that all those guys have a long, lonely winter to think about what they’ve done.”

I fail to see how this is going to do anything. There are all kinds of ways they can get heat there. They have been using camp fires. Don’t need electricity for that.

Also, what are they waiting for? Why haven’t they already cut the power, and phones? To give them time to get a generator there or something? This will do nothing.

 

[bluesneakers]

I’d leave. It could happen too. I live right next to a major highway. If they ever widen the highway, I’d probably have to go.

It's not just the government who has the power to do this. Look what happens with gentrification, or when the wealthiest groups want to build corporate headquarters, airports, or giant condo buildings. People are pushed out.

 

[KaaBoom]

It's not just the government who has the power to do this. Look what happens with gentrification, or when the wealthiest groups want to build corporate headquarters, airports, or giant condo buildings. People are pushed out.

Yea, but that is capitalism, so it’s OK. If a greedy landlord want’s to throw poor people out of their low income apartments so he can build luxury homes on the land, that’s his property rights, so it’s all good. Tough luck for the tenets who will be homeless.

But if the big bad government wants to take same land to build a road or a park:crying::crying::crying: Even though they will probably pay more then fair value and relocation costs for everybody involved.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Now just a ding dang minute here.

But Bundy told CNN on Tuesday that he's not opposed to government and said that taking a six-figure loan from the Small Business Administration doesn't conflict with his political philosophy.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-armed-protest/

Durned if I remember the Constitution saying anything about a Small Business Administration.

Then again maybe I'm not the constitutional scholar these guys are.

 

[i.b.nora]

How the Leader of the Oregon Armed Protest Benefited From a Federal Loan Program
Ammon Bundy decries federal "tyranny," but he sought aid from the government to help his company.
—By Russ Choma | Mon Jan. 4, 2016 5:42 PM EST
Mother Jones

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/ammon-bundy-oregon-protest-sba-loan

“As one of the leaders of a band of armed, anti-government activists who have taken over a Fish and Wildlife Service building in Oregon, Ammon Bundy has denounced the "tyranny" of the federal government. And he has brought a new round of attention to the anti-government militia movement that in 2014 rallied behind his father, Cliven Bundy, when the elder Bundy and armed supporters confronted federal agents in Nevada. But not long ago, Ammon Bundy sought out help from the government he now decries and received a federal small-business loan guarantee.

Ammon Bundy runs a Phoenix-based company called Valet Fleet Services LLC, which specializes in repairing and maintaining fleets of semitrucks throughout Arizona. On April 15, 2010—Tax Day, as it happens—Bundy's business borrowed $530,000 through a Small Business Administration loan guarantee program. The available public record does not indicate what the loan was used for or whether it was repaid. The SBA website notes that this loan guarantee was issued under a program "to aid small businesses which are unable to obtain financing in the private credit marketplace." The government estimated that this subsidy could cost taxpayers $22,419. Bundy did not respond to an email request for comment about the SBA loan.”​

 

[i.b.nora]

The Mormon Warrior Ammon Bundy Reveres Actually Wanted the Government to Do More
Slate
By Miriam Krule
January 5, 2016

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/05/why_ammon_bundy_calls_himself_captain_moroni.html

“When a group of armed protesters occupied parts of the federal Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon this weekend, its leader, Ammon Bundy, told Oregon Public Broadcasting that he was “Captain Moroni, from Utah.” Bundy didn’t make that name up—in the Book of Mormon, Moroni is a military leader who takes command of an oppressed people and battles a corrupt king for their freedom. Bundy, who believes that God is sanctioning his anti-federal actions, must see himself in a similar position.”​

Really interesting article, imo.

 

[Tawny]

Are they terrorists yet? lol

 

[ohreally]

I fail to see how this is going to do anything. There are all kinds of ways they can get heat there. They have been using camp fires. Don’t need electricity for that.

Also, what are they waiting for? Why haven’t they already cut the power, and phones? To give them time to get a generator there or something? This will do nothing.

A few will leave once they don't have the comforts, but IMO some will stay. I do believe the ones that planned this are prepared, and will not be deterred by the power, water and phones getting turned off.
I am glad to see the government is prepared to cut off the luxuries. No need for the government to be paying thier comfort.

 

[bluesneakers]

The Mormon Warrior Ammon Bundy Reveres Actually Wanted the Government to Do More
Slate
By Miriam Krule
January 5, 2016

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/05/why_ammon_bundy_calls_himself_captain_moroni.html


Really interesting article, imo.

rsbm

Thank you for the link. I've been wondering about an official statement from the Mormon Church.

Church leaders strongly condemn the armed seizure of the facility and are deeply troubled by the reports that those who have seized the facility suggest that they are doing so based on scriptural principles. This armed occupation can in no way be justified on a scriptural basis.

We are privileged to live in a nation where conflicts with government or private groups can—and should—be settled using peaceful means, according to the laws of the land.

 

[flourish]

The Mormon Warrior Ammon Bundy Reveres Actually Wanted the Government to Do More
Slate
By Miriam Krule
January 5, 2016

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/05/why_ammon_bundy_calls_himself_captain_moroni.html

“When a group of armed protesters occupied parts of the federal Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon this weekend, its leader, Ammon Bundy, told Oregon Public Broadcasting that he was “Captain Moroni, from Utah.” Bundy didn’t make that name up—in the Book of Mormon, Moroni is a military leader who takes command of an oppressed people and battles a corrupt king for their freedom. Bundy, who believes that God is sanctioning his anti-federal actions, must see himself in a similar position.”​

Really interesting article, imo.

Moroni is the guy with the horn on the temple in SLC.

And other lds temples, too, but that one is particularly well known.

 

[branwynbreeze]

Authorities plan to cut off power to militia at occupied Oregon refuge

A federal government official told the Guardian that authorities were planning on Monday to cut the power at the refuge.

“It’s in the middle of nowhere,” said the official, who is based in Washington, DC, and has knowledge of the planned response to the militia. “And it’s flat- cold up there.”

“After they shut off the power, they’ll kill the phone service,” the government official added. “Then they’ll block all the roads so that all those guys have a long, lonely winter to think about what they’ve done.”

This is what I have been hoping would happen. They (militia) appear to have not planned well, IMHO.

I'm not sure I believe DH, not sure about poaching, but does it matter? I mean it seems Hammond issue is being used and abused to justify another issue, private use of federal land. Two things ranchers who want to graze cattle on those properties see as a problem for their herd are maintaining migration wetlands and wild mustangs. BLM has mismanaged both IMO, but they are the only agency in town so to speak. A few days ago BLM closed mustang holding station on rte 20 to public. Will talk to their rep today about it.

I really don't see a compromise happened and rightfully so, militia group is in the wrong. If they were doing this in protest to Hammond resentencing, maybe I could be a bit sympathetic, but it's not about the Hammonds at all.

 

[human]

These militia men are used to roughing it and they might have prepper tendencies. I believe them when they say they're prepared to be in this for the long haul.

Ha ha. Not me. No water for cooking all those food items they have , for instance. And where are they going to get fuel? Cutting down green wood for cooking? Or are there stacks of nice dry firewood available?

And toileting. Did they see stacks of toilet paper? Or are they going to use grass and leaves?

Are they just going to leave piles or are they going to dig latrines? Do they have olenty of warm clothes that will become nice and stinky without water to wash? But they probably don't care if they are stinky, I suppose.

I wonder if infighting will happen? Sounds like a lot of fun. Not!

 

[branwynbreeze]

These militia men are used to roughing it and they might have prepper tendencies. I believe them when they say they're prepared to be in this for the long haul.

I agree, but living off the land in winter isn't that easy. Perhaps I'm being overly dramatic in my mind, but thoughts go to another group stuck in winter, Donner party. Maybe they have or will be sent MREs.

 

[human]

What if your local or federal government decided they really like the place you live in, and they'd like you to please leave right now so they can use it as a free hotel for your fellow citizens?

Or maybe they don't think it's a nice enough place, so they want you to vacate so they can demolish it? And let your fellow citizens use it as a nature preserve and camping spot?

I think most people would be a bit upset about that.

I believe the land in question is stolen Pauite land? Maybe we should ask them what to do?

 

[pappa rob]

I am more confused than anything. How do these things usually end???

Starting next Tuesday, Crater Lake will henceforth be known as "flourish's fabulous fancy faucet." Come to my lake-warming starting at 2pm and going into July of 2018. Bring glitter. Lots and lots of glitter. I'll explain more later.

https://youtu.be/iu0orqfyv8M

Bring lots of sunscreen it's going to be a lovely day... Brrr

 

[SuzDuJour]

They are apparently upset that they're being called terrorists. But I just can't stop giggling that they are asking for donations of snacks and socks via the US postal system...time to turn off the electricity and water, they won't last two days.