OR - Militia members occupy federal building in Oregon after protest #1

[Lilibet]

Ha ha. Not me. No water for cooking all those food items they have , for instance. And where are they going to get fuel? Cutting down green wood for cooking? Or are there stacks of nice dry firewood available?

And toileting. Did they see stacks of toilet paper? Or are they going to use grass and leaves?

Are they just going to leave piles or are they going to dig latrines? Do they have olenty of warm clothes that will become nice and stinky without water to wash? But they probably don't care if they are stinky, I suppose.

I wonder if infighting will happen? Sounds like a lot of fun. Not!

BBM

Lots of good questions, human. This is refuge is not heavily forested as the link below shows. Anything these intruders cut down affects the birds and critters living there.

http://www.fws.gov/refuge/malheur/wildlife_and_habitat/habitats.html

 

[ohreally]

It would be pretty ironic if the feds went and rounded up the cattle Bundy isn't paying the grazing fees for in Nevada, since most if not all of the supporters are in Oregon right now.

 

[Lilibet]

It would be pretty ironic if the feds went and rounded up the cattle Bundy isn't paying the grazing fees for in Nevada, since most if not all of the supporters are in Oregano right now.

BBM

Is "Oregano" an autocorrect funny or did you mean it as a joke? Either way, it's good! Very herbal.

 

[bluesneakers]

They are apparently upset that they're being called terrorists. But I just can't stop giggling that they are asking for donations of snacks and socks via the US postal system...time to turn off the electricity and water, they won't last two days.

Do they have wifi or do their cellphones work? I would suggest cutting off those too, and stop giving them interviews. Let the officials update us because who cares what the mm have to say.

 

[ohreally]

BBM

Is "Oregano" an autocorrect funny or did you mean it as a joke? Either way, it's good! Very herbal.

Lol. Nah that was an auto correct. Oops. Going back to fix it now.

 

[i.b.nora]

Armed, Pathetic and Hungry: How the Oregon Militants' Revolutionary Plan Went Sideways

The "Y'all Qaeda" militia is short on people, supplies and food
RollingStone
By Tim Dickinson January 5, 2016

"The armed standoff in remote southeast Oregon, where white militants led by the Bundy clan have taken over federal buildings at a wildlife refuge, isn't going according to plan.*

The would-be insurrectionists are undermanned, undersupplied and exhausted. They've been unable to provoke the confrontation with federal agents that they chest-thumpingly declared themselves willing to die in. And they've found themselves roundly mocked on social media as "Yee-hawdists" in the service of "Y'all Qaeda," "Yokel Haram" or "Vanilla ISIS."

Taking up arms against the federal government is no laughing matter, of course. And if the militants were black, brown or Muslim, they'd likely be dead by now. But for a group of heavily armed Christian white dudes play-acting at revolution, things could hardly be going worse.

On Monday night, in fact, one Bundy brother told Oregon Public Broadcasting the militiamen might be willing to move along now — if the community requests it: "This is their county – we can't be here and force this on them," Ryan Bundy said. "If they don't want to retrieve their rights, and if the county people tell us to leave, we'll leave."

How did the Bundy plan for revolution go sideways? The troubled evolution of the plot can be traced via Ammon Bundy's social media presence."​

A timeline, of sorts.

 

[pappa rob]

Now if they aren't mostly made up of Mormons I'd say ship in a few cases of scotch and a keg of beer or two. Then they could slip in about dawn and scoop them all up..

 

[bluesneakers]

"This is their county – we can't be here and force this on them," Ryan Bundy said. "If they don't want to retrieve their rights, and if the county people tell us to leave, we'll leave."

"You can't fire me. I quit" sounds a lot different from what they were saying two days ago.

 

[SuzDuJour]

I thought about sending them some flax and chia seeds...and a box of tampons, just in case.

 

[i.b.nora]

Twitter suspends account of Oregon militia leader Ammon Bundy

USAToday
Melanie Eversley, USA TODAY
4:55 p.m. EST January 5, 2016

"The Twitter social media site on Tuesday suspended the account of Ammon Bundy, the Nevada rancher who is leading a group of armed men occupying federal buildings at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon."

 

[EllieBee]

How the Leader of the Oregon Armed Protest Benefited From a Federal Loan Program
Ammon Bundy decries federal "tyranny," but he sought aid from the government to help his company.
—By Russ Choma | Mon Jan. 4, 2016 5:42 PM EST
Mother Jones

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/ammon-bundy-oregon-protest-sba-loan

“As one of the leaders of a band of armed, anti-government activists who have taken over a Fish and Wildlife Service building in Oregon, Ammon Bundy has denounced the "tyranny" of the federal government. And he has brought a new round of attention to the anti-government militia movement that in 2014 rallied behind his father, Cliven Bundy, when the elder Bundy and armed supporters confronted federal agents in Nevada. But not long ago, Ammon Bundy sought out help from the government he now decries and received a federal small-business loan guarantee.

Ammon Bundy runs a Phoenix-based company called Valet Fleet Services LLC, which specializes in repairing and maintaining fleets of semitrucks throughout Arizona. On April 15, 2010—Tax Day, as it happens—Bundy's business borrowed $530,000 through a Small Business Administration loan guarantee program. The available public record does not indicate what the loan was used for or whether it was repaid. The SBA website notes that this loan guarantee was issued under a program "to aid small businesses which are unable to obtain financing in the private credit marketplace." The government estimated that this subsidy could cost taxpayers $22,419. Bundy did not respond to an email request for comment about the SBA loan.”​

So taking handouts from the government in fine and dandy, but paying your taxes is oppression?

Good to know. What a bunch of 'maroons'.

 

[Brightbird]

Now just a ding dang minute here.



http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-armed-protest/

Durned if I remember the Constitution saying anything about a Small Business Administration.

Then again maybe I'm not the constitutional scholar these guys are.

I can't help but think of this funny movie scene where the lawyer is using the constitution to stop the gov't taking a guy's house, and his legal argument is just "It's the vibe of the thing."

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wJuXIq7OazQ[/video]

 

[IzzyBlanche]

So taking handouts from the government in fine and dandy, but paying your taxes is oppression?

Good to know. What a bunch of 'maroons'.

What do you want to bet they sit around griping about "welfare queens"?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

They are apparently upset that they're being called terrorists. But I just can't stop giggling that they are asking for donations of snacks and socks via the US postal system...time to turn off the electricity and water, they won't last two days.

Starting to think maybe this wasn't planned out all that well.

 

[bluesneakers]

Have these been linked to yet?

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1115723640

https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch/

From the Bundy Ranch page:
We have had non-stop people from Harney County coming by and giving us their support.

So are they forcing themselves on them or not?

 

[EllieBee]

Some, ah, rather colorful language from some of the God-fearing posters on Ammon's page.....:laughing:

Have these been linked to yet?

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1115723640

https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch/

From the Bundy Ranch page:
We have had non-stop people from Harney County coming by and giving us their support.

So are they forcing themselves on them or not?

 

[i.b.nora]

The Bundys and the Irony of American Vigilantism
The New Yorker
Tuesday January 5, 2016
By Jedediah Purdy

"On Saturday, January 2nd, a group of armed men occupied the stone-walled offices of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, in Harney County, Oregon. Created by President Theodore Roosevelt, in 1908, to protect egrets and other birds from hunters who sold their plumes to clothing manufacturers, the refuge is centered on wetlands in a region that is mainly high desert. At more than ten thousand square miles, Harney County is bigger than nine states, including Maryland and New Jersey, and about the size of Rwanda or Haiti. About seventy-seven hundred people live there; more than ninety per cent of them are white and the rest are nearly all Native American or Latino. Three-quarters of the county consists of federal land, which is owned and directly administered by the United States government."

*

"County governments throughout the West have passed (unenforceable) ordinances asserting their jurisdiction over federal lands, and some Utah counties have sent road crews onto federal land to bulldoze trails, disqualifying the land from federal-wilderness status. Utah senator Mike Lee has said that he believes federal lands belong to the states, and Utah’s state legislature agreed in 2012. Montana’s house of representatives has voted to nullify the Endangered Species Act within the state."​

Lots to read here.

 

[bluesneakers]

They don't care about freedom or the Constitution or tyranny.

The only thing they care about is making money.

Greedy, selfish *******s.

JMO

 

[Everyday Grace]

Armed, Pathetic and Hungry: How the Oregon Militants' Revolutionary Plan Went Sideways

The "Y'all Qaeda" militia is short on people, supplies and food
RollingStone
By Tim Dickinson January 5, 2016

"The armed standoff in remote southeast Oregon, where white militants led by the Bundy clan have taken over federal buildings at a wildlife refuge, isn't going according to plan.*

The would-be insurrectionists are undermanned, undersupplied and exhausted. They've been unable to provoke the confrontation with federal agents that they chest-thumpingly declared themselves willing to die in. And they've found themselves roundly mocked on social media as "Yee-hawdists" in the service of "Y'all Qaeda," "Yokel Haram" or "Vanilla ISIS."

Taking up arms against the federal government is no laughing matter, of course. And if the militants were black, brown or Muslim, they'd likely be dead by now. But for a group of heavily armed Christian white dudes play-acting at revolution, things could hardly be going worse.

On Monday night, in fact, one Bundy brother told Oregon Public Broadcasting the militiamen might be willing to move along now — if the community requests it: "This is their county – we can't be here and force this on them," Ryan Bundy said. "If they don't want to retrieve their rights, and if the county people tell us to leave, we'll leave."

How did the Bundy plan for revolution go sideways? The troubled evolution of the plot can be traced via Ammon Bundy's social media presence."​

A timeline, of sorts.

Aha. Clearly they are under-prepared.

From the RS article (emphasis added):

Another self-described "patriot," Maureen Peltier, took to Facebook with a laundry list of desired supplies, including foil, hygiene needs and locks, and provided an address where supporters can send them.

Tempting.

 

[Everyday Grace]

BURNS – Steps are in motion to resolve militants' occupation of a federal compound outside of town, Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward said Tuesday.

"There are things being done," Ward said. "It's not visible to the public."

The sheriff sought to assure the community and the country that police aren't sitting back and leaving the group of about 20 militants with a free hand.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2016/01/sheriff_says_steps_being_taken.html