OR - Militia members occupy federal building in Oregon after protest #1

[Brightbird]

Gosh. They are survivalists, not SAVAGES. Pshaw. :snooty:

They are wannabe somethings. The first food items are condiments and hot dogs. It's like a list of things to take camping in the backyard when you're seven.

 

[tlcya]

Todd MacFarlane, a Utah lawyer acting as a mediator, said occupation leader Ammon Bundyand others were concerned about the perception the armed visitors conveyed.

"This was the last thing in the world they wanted to see happen," MacFarlane told The Oregonian.


Bundy didn't request the presence of the Pacific Patriot Network, he said, and has "tried to put out the word: 'We don't need you.'"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-armed-militia-turns-away-pacific-patriot-network-help/

Advocates of greater local control over western lands often express exasperation at standoffs like the one in Oregon, which they see as undermining their cause.


They argue that arcane federal rules can ensnare well-meaning ranchers, off-road enthusiasts or others, and that some of the vast swathes of protected land prevent energy extraction that could be a boon to communities with few jobs.


Small parcels of western land occasionally change hands, often as part of conservation deals, but the push for massive changes is new.

http://time.com/4174329/oregon-militia-republicans-armed/

 

[EllieBee]

They are wannabe somethings. The first food items are condiments and hot dogs. It's like a list of things to take camping in the backyard when you're seven.

I think the items like "french vanilla creamer" cracked me up the most because I am about as soft as you can get and even I rough it better than that on a camping trip.

Also, if the women were coming along, wouldn't they BRING tampons? Unless, wait.....DID any women come along?

Seriously (no, not really) though, that list just just makes them sound like a bunch of mooches and poseurs.

Oh, and WHY ARE THEY NOT UNDER ARREST?

Sorry. Did I shout that?

 

[EllieBee]

Todd MacFarlane, a Utah lawyer acting as a mediator, said occupation leader Ammon Bundyand others were concerned about the perception the armed visitors conveyed.

"This was the last thing in the world they wanted to see happen," MacFarlane told The Oregonian.


Bundy didn't request the presence of the Pacific Patriot Network, he said, and has "tried to put out the word: 'We don't need you.'"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-armed-militia-turns-away-pacific-patriot-network-help/

Advocates of greater local control over western lands often express exasperation at standoffs like the one in Oregon, which they see as undermining their cause.


They argue that arcane federal rules can ensnare well-meaning ranchers, off-road enthusiasts or others, and that some of the vast swathes of protected land prevent energy extraction that could be a boon to communities with few jobs.


Small parcels of western land occasionally change hands, often as part of conservation deals, but the push for massive changes is new.

http://time.com/4174329/oregon-militia-republicans-armed/

Lol. Kind of like how the Hammonds told the Bundys "We don't need you, go home"?

These kinds of people are pig-headed, and even when their so-called "cause" disavows them, they just yell louder and talk more garbage.

It is never about anything more than ego, ignorance and loving the sound of their own voices.

IMO.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Wait a sec, I thought they were initially inviting everyone to come join them in the cause.

Now that people are showing up to join them, they are sending them away?

ETA: I'm beginning to think this whole thing has turned into a grift for donations so they don't have to work (if they did in the first place), and they don't want to share whatever donations they get.

 

[JanetElaine]

Sorry for the double post of the list back on page 50. Bluesneakers beat me to it, but I wasn't aware of that, lol.

 

[SuzDuJour]

What is a 4" apran? If they misspelled apron, what does 4" have to do with it? And seriously, an apron??

 

[SuzDuJour]

I laughed out loud at the comments under the snacks list. Especially:
"Mayonnaise AND Miracle Whip. Monsters"

 

[Everyday Grace]

I don't see much difference either, except ISIS seems to be in it for idealogical reasons and the militia men are in it for the money.

I can't find a legit link but there's video of them talking with FBI members at the airport. It blows my mind they can show up with guns and be treated as equals.

Make no mistake, these folks are also motivated by ideology.

The grifting is a secondary benefit.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/685960657225793536/photo/1

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYUFlTuWQAEsOLV.jpg

:silly: What a knee slapper this list is.

 

[pappa rob]

What is a 4" apran? If they misspelled apron, what does 4" have to do with it? And seriously, an apron??

It's one of those things to keep food of their camo gear when they cook. They want to stay nice looking for all the dates they're expecting to get out there. I'd say they misspelled apron That's the only thing I could come up with anyways..

 

[Everyday Grace]

Readers of the news may be forgiven for some confusion about the standoff at Oregon’s Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, still going strong in its ninth day. Do the occupiers want to change to federal land management regulations or spark a second Civil War? Are they anti-government, anti-Muslim or all of the above? Are they part of a broader movement ripe for an uprising, or only staging a one-off stunt? And what was that about Mormons again?

The domain of domestic radicalism and extremism in the United States—where the Malheur occupiers are just one subculture—is characterized by overlapping circles of interest and ideology, on both the right and left, making for a gumbo of diverse grievances and beliefs. While these fluid definitions have long been part of the American radical scene, the distinctions have arguably become even more confusing in recent years, as the Internet has empowered more communication across ideological boundaries and access to alternative “news” and information sources

The movement is highly decentralized and lacks a single definitive text or articulation of principles. But there is some degree of organization, with two national factions that have become most prominent, active and visible: Oath Keepers and the Three Percent Patriots. Oath Keepers, claims to have 30,000 members, consists largely of current and former law enforcement and military members who have pledged not to carry out any government orders (such as confiscating guns) that they believe violate the Constitution. In recent years, the group has increasingly inserted armed members into conflicts between citizens and the government as “monitors” or “security.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/oregon-ranchers-radical-ideology-213514#ixzz3wu1Vrskf

 

[bluesneakers]

Did they misspell ice scraper or are ice scrappers a thing?

 

[Everyday Grace]

Finicum: Bundy met with elected officials

Cole Miller and KOIN 6 News Staff
Published: January 10, 2016, 11:18 am Updated: January 10, 2016, 2:34 pm

http://koin.com/2016/01/10/militia-at-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-01102016/

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Sure would like to know who those elected officials are.

Re ISIS: In my opinion, there is no difference between all these 'militia type' groups and what I know of the 'ISIS type' groups.

As the scene in front of the courthouse played out, another group of uninvited visitors was preparing to meet with Bundy over the objections of [Harney County Judge] Grasty and state Rep. Cliff Bentz, a Republican from Ontario whose district includes Harney County.

Heard [Oregon Rep. Dallas Heard, a Republican from Roseburg] and five other elected officials from Washington, Idaho and Nevada were on a "fact-finding mission," Heard said. Last year's Umpqua Community College shooting occurred in Heard's district, and Heard said he wanted to prevent a similar outbreak of violence.

The out-of-state legislators were Reps. Graham Hunt and Matt Shea of Washington; Reps. Judy Boyle, Heather Scott and Sage Dixon of Idaho; and Rep. Michelle Fiore of Nevada, who joined by telephone.

"He had called me and indicated he was heading that direction, and I indicated that was inappropriate," Bentz said of Heard. "I think it's fair to say I was not enthusiastic about the idea."

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2016/01/oregon_standoff_unsolicited_he.html

 

[bluesneakers]

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2016/01/oregon_standoff_unsolicited_he.html

Jerry DeLemus, 61, of Rochester, New Hampshire, arrived in Oregon last week to also help convince Bundy &#8211; son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy &#8211; and his band to give up the occupation. He is well acquainted with the Bundys, having assumed the role of commander of the private militia involved in the Nevada ranch standoff in 2014.

DeLemus said in an interview he has been to the refuge once to talk to Bundy and will continue efforts "to get him to pack his bags."

He said he approached the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Burns as recently as Saturday to offer to be a mediator. "I think I can get this resolved," he said, but the FBI so far hasn't accepted his offer.

"I'm really upset that I haven't heard back from them," DeLemus said.

Bless his heart.

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympl...t-apocalyptic-book-bears-striking#.bgrqmMOqxr

This Post-Apocalyptic Book Was Written By One Of The Oregon Militia Members

In August, LaVoy Finicum &#8212; one of the men occupying a wildlife preserve in Oregon &#8212; published Only by Blood and Suffering: Regaining Lost Freedom. The novel is about many of the same issues raised in Oregon, but culminates in a series of brutal gunfights and killings.

The first chapters recount how the Bonhams converge on the family homestead &#8212; witnessing murder, rape, and cannibalism along the way &#8212; while the later portions are about a &#8220;war&#8221; between well-armed, well-prepared ranchers and their short-sighted neighbors and government agents.

The ranchers, and particularly protagonist Jake Bonham, are the heroes of the story as they take a stand against tyranny &#8212; and shoot many of those who oppose them.

 

[Everyday Grace]

MALHEUR NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE, Oregon — Ammon Bundy came here to preach.

But Bundy is not spreading the word of God, though he’s a devout Mormon. Instead, Bundy is telling local residents that the federal government is illegitimate, that the county government is the highest authority in the land, and that they should arrest their local sheriff and subject him to a citizen grand jury if he sides with the treacherous feds.

This is the gospel of the sovereign citizen movement—and Bundy is winning converts.

These ideas are taken chapter and verse from the sovereign citizen bible, a bizarre tributary of right-wing ideology that believes the federal government has been illegally occupying American land since at least the end of the Civil War.

These ideas have inspired militias over the past four decades, paramilitary-style groups that often allow would-be demagogues to present themselves as representatives of the original “divinely inspired” form of government. These forces fueled deadly standoffs at Ruby Ridge and Waco, culminating in the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. That terror attack hurt the militia movement, but it has grown dramatically during the Obama years.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...n-oregon-ammon-bundy-preaches-revolution.html

 

[i.b.nora]

How The Bundy Standoff Could Screw Over Ranchers
Think Progress
BY ALEX ZIELINSKI & ALAN PYKE JAN 11, 2016 9:31 AM

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/11/3737719/rancher-history-oregon/

“The dry prairies of Southeast Oregon have been the backdrop for land disputes for centuries — long before armed men decided to set up shop in Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, demanding land sovereignty and snacks.

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But the dramatic move, which claims to protect ranchers’ livelihoods, actually threatens the fragile ecosystem of a community that has been working to carefully balance the competing interests in the land. And the people of Harney County have grown weary of the fighting.

“Let’s just knock this crap off and go back to being friends and neighbors,” resident Jesse Svejcar told a crowded room of locals last Wednesday night at a meeting in nearby Burns, Oregon, where residents vented frustrations about the standoff.”

Local residents are tired of the ongoing game of tug-of-war over the land now referred to as the Harney Basin. This latest dispute has rekindled the tensions over land use that have marked the region ever since cattle barons first settled on Paiute Indian soil in the mid-1800s.

Just a few years ago, however, stakeholders including ranchers, environmentalists, and federal agents unveiled an agreed-upon conservation plan for the wildlife refuge sitting in the heart of the basin. It had taken three years to negotiate, but the result — which took into consideration ranchers’ livelihoods, ecological concerns, and local economic sustainability — became a beacon of hope in the region, as well as in other rural communities wrought with similar conflict.

Now, Ammon Bundy’s headline-grabbing occupation is imperiling that accord.”​

This is a long good article. I have spent too much time trying to figure out how to properly summarize it or to select balanced snippets. I know that most people don't bother to read most articles or links. If you choose to read this article you will know more than you did ten or fifteen minutes ago.

 

[bluesneakers]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...n-oregon-ammon-bundy-preaches-revolution.html

This makes me sick.

Bundy is telling local residents that the federal government is illegitimate, that the county government is the highest authority in the land, and that they should arrest their local sheriff and subject him to a citizen grand jury if he sides with the treacherous feds.

 

[EllieBee]

How The Bundy Standoff Could Screw Over Ranchers
Think Progress
BY ALEX ZIELINSKI & ALAN PYKE JAN 11, 2016 9:31 AM

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/11/3737719/rancher-history-oregon/

&#8220;The dry prairies of Southeast Oregon have been the backdrop for land disputes for centuries &#8212; long before armed men decided to set up shop in Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, demanding land sovereignty and snacks.

*

But the dramatic move, which claims to protect ranchers&#8217; livelihoods, actually threatens the fragile ecosystem of a community that has been working to carefully balance the competing interests in the land. And the people of Harney County have grown weary of the fighting.

&#8220;Let&#8217;s just knock this crap off and go back to being friends and neighbors,&#8221; resident Jesse Svejcar told a crowded room of locals last Wednesday night at a meeting in nearby Burns, Oregon, where residents vented frustrations about the standoff.&#8221;

Local residents are tired of the ongoing game of tug-of-war over the land now referred to as the Harney Basin. This latest dispute has rekindled the tensions over land use that have marked the region ever since cattle barons first settled on Paiute Indian soil in the mid-1800s.

Just a few years ago, however, stakeholders including ranchers, environmentalists, and federal agents unveiled an agreed-upon conservation plan for the wildlife refuge sitting in the heart of the basin. It had taken three years to negotiate, but the result &#8212; which took into consideration ranchers&#8217; livelihoods, ecological concerns, and local economic sustainability &#8212; became a beacon of hope in the region, as well as in other rural communities wrought with similar conflict.

Now, Ammon Bundy&#8217;s headline-grabbing occupation is imperiling that accord.&#8221;​

This is a long good article. I have spent too much time trying to figure out how to properly summarize it or to select balanced snippets. I know that most people don't bother to read most articles or links. If you choose to read this article you will know more than you did ten or fifteen minutes ago.

This is a very good article. Thank you for linking it.