OR - Militia members occupy federal building in Oregon after protest #1

[i.b.nora]

https://ourgreaterdestiny.wordpress...urt-judges-unite-to-ignite-279-trillion-lien/

4 SUPERIOR COURT JUDGES UNITE TO IGNITE $279 TRILLION LIEN
Posted on December 7, 2015 by Doreen Agostino

From Diane Hicks Dec 06.15

Well today I had the honor of speaking with Judge Bruce Doucette who commented that we need to fix the system and right now. Bruce is now retired, told me he made a lot of money, yet something keeps pulling him back to help fix the broken system. ... blah blah blah​

 

[LietKynes]

A town traumatized.



http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-st...ts_near_oregon_occupati.html#incart_big-photo

More accounts from local citizens in the article.

RSBM

Wait just a damned second... isn't this called STALKING ??? I was under the assumption that is a criminal offense.
These self-proclaimed "Patriots" are nothing but law breakers.

They have NO right to be following anyone; regardless of what they think they're doing.
The local law enforcement shouldn't be taking this lightly... hopefully they are not.
MOO

 

[RickshawFan]

All of this creepy and intimidating stuff that's happening in Burns is especially alarming since it's not that kind of town at all. It really is in the middle of nowhere. Since I've already posted some photos of the east side of Burns, I thought I'd post some to the west.

It's 130 miles to the nearest major town. By that I mean something that's larger than about 20 people. See here.

From Brothers OR from one direction, then another. Yes, that's the main road.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/4347002

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/74896010

Juntura, one of the "bigger" communities. I do like it because it has some big trees:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...ROEcUQw6tfyCFhwa6Np6fpyA&ust=1452749783087455

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...ROEcUQw6tfyCFhwa6Np6fpyA&ust=1452749783087455

This is Hampton:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...BmsFiDKiLI6_-bY0_wLi5u-w&ust=1452749937940634

And yes, there's a whole town for sale... Millican Oregon

https://www.google.com/search?q="mi...JddpSM%2C_&usg=__rEfDSYS3mehWHM-KYptwp_O-EZg=

Yes, that's pretty much it: the whole town. And that's pretty much the whole of civilization until you get into Burns/Hines.

So, all these outsiders are going to seem especially threatening.

 

[Everyday Grace]

This guy.

Editor’s note: This story contains offensive language.

Among the militant members who have accessed government computers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, one is an Islamic State sympathizer and Adolph Hitler acolyte.

While militant leader Ammon Bundy has repeatedly denied government computers were being used by militants, OPB has again confirmed that Department of Interior computers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge are being accessed, and in this instance, being used to make a website for the occupation.

Fry’s Google+ account shows the Ohio man regularly posts anti-Semitic, homophobic, and pro-Nazi propaganda on social media.

Fry also posts in support of ISIS.

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...ts-government-computers-isis-website-malheur/

As with much of the Malheur story, I'm not sure what to make of this arrival at Bundyland other than these kinds of actions often appeal to types that even the organizers might shun.

Bundy Ranch and the murderous Millers being an example.

This guy is operating from what the Bundy Bunch has described as a "Media Center" on the occupied refuge.

Appears to me that the purpose of the "Media Center" is not to provide on-site support for legitimate media outlets like OPB and The Oregonian, but to provide resources for and to encourage "new media" like Santilli, Cooper, etc.

Imagine, if you will, at least a dozen or more fledgling (and competing) Alex Jones wannabes spreading their versions of "the message."

Not sure this guy is what they had in mind, but his presence does illustrate how little control the Bundys have over the supporters they attract. It also shows how attractive their means and messages can be for some of the more toxic elements in our American culture.

I expect this joker to be expelled from the occupied facility (bad PR, ya know) with the usual suspicion that he is an agent provacateur, undercover, etc.

Not to say that others among the Bundys don't share some sentiments with this clown. Many of them are savvy enough to know to keep some things obscured.

Hopefully he will go back to where he came from in the event he is barred from the seized facility.

Unlike what the Millers did when they were ejected for being "too much."

 

[RickshawFan]

This guy.




http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...ts-government-computers-isis-website-malheur/

As with much of the Malheur story, I'm not sure what to make of this arrival at Bundyland other than these kinds of actions often appeal to types that even the organizers might shun.

Bundy Ranch and the murderous Millers being an example.

This guy is operating from what the Bundy Bunch has described as a "Media Center" on the occupied refuge.

Appears to me that the purpose of the "Media Center" is not to provide on-site support for legitimate media outlets like OPB and The Oregonian, but to provide resources for and to encourage "new media" like Santilli, Cooper, etc.

Imagine, if you will, at least a dozen or more fledgling (and competing) Alex Jones wannabes spreading their versions of "the message."

Not sure this guy is what they had in mind, but his presence does illustrate how little control the Bundys have over the supporters they attract. It also shows how attractive their means and messages can be for some of the more toxic elements in our American culture.

I expect this joker to be expelled from the occupied facility (bad PR, ya know) with the usual suspicion that he is an agent provacateur, undercover, etc.

Not to say that others among the Bundys don't share some sentiments with this clown. Many of them are savvy enough to know to keep some things obscured.

Hopefully he will go back to where he came from in the event he is barred from the seized facility.

Unlike what the Millers did when they were ejected for being "too much."

I've always thought the neo-Nazis were all over this scheme. Many now call themselves "survivalists" rather than using the Nazi term. I guess they've decided the latter isn't endearing enough in popular perception. There are many fortified compounds just over in Idaho set up by neo-Nazis: Idaho is a magnet for them.

Doesn't surprise me at all that neo-Nazis would be in the mix.

I think at the beginning, the Bundy Bunch would have welcomed all kinds of crazies and militias. Whatever worked. That was their plan. They'd have a lot of people out there and start a mass movement like "Occupy Wall Street." But public perception didn't work out for them! So now they have to pretend as though they're a benign option as compared to the hardcore crazies that keep showing up....

 

[SuzDuJour]

Since we're seeing video of Jon Ritzenheimer pushing boxes of "goodies" off a table at the compound, it seems the power to that facility has not been cut. I'm wondering why not?

 

[Everyday Grace]

I've always thought the neo-Nazis were all over this scheme. Many now call themselves "survivalists" rather than using the Nazi term. I guess they've decided the latter isn't endearing enough in popular perception. There are many fortified compounds just over in Idaho set up by neo-Nazis: Idaho is a magnet for them.

Doesn't surprise me at all that neo-Nazis would be in the mix.

I think at the beginning, the Bundy Bunch would have welcomed all kinds of crazies and militias. Whatever worked. That was their plan. They'd have a lot of people out there and start a mass movement like "Occupy Wall Street." But public perception didn't work out for them! So now they have to pretend as though they're a benign option as compared to the hardcore crazies that keep showing up....

Astute observations, IMO.

I, too, think they anticipated Bundy Ranch 2014 level of support from the onset.

Didn't happen, so they have had to make some playbook adjustments on the fly.

It occurs to me that even if they had achieved an initial level of anticipated support that they would still have problems wrangling the herd.

It was ever thus with this ilk and their chronic ego wars.

Stealing one from their dogma..."Interesting times" we are seeing.

 

[Everyday Grace]

Since we're seeing video of Jon Ritzenheimer pushing boxes of "goodies" off a table at the compound, it seems the power to that facility has not been cut. I'm wondering why not?

Closest thing I've seen as an answer to that question is from a January 6 piece from The Guardian:

Fulton also said a plan to turn off power at the site, first reported by the Guardian, had run into snags. Local power officials at the meeting said the move would also cut power to several surrounding ranches and that the only way to isolate the wildlife refuge would be to send men to the site to cut the local lines.

The Guardian's source for that information is:

Amid growing concern about the fallout from the armed occupation, various town leaders held a crisis meeting with federal authorities on Tuesday.

“An ongoing siege could break a county like this one,” said Randy Fulton, one of the attendees of the closed-door gathering. “Nobody wants this to continue.”

Fulton, 60, a lifelong Burns resident and a leading businessman who owns the town’s weekly newspaper, the Burns Times-Herald, said the standoff is hurting his town.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-prepares-for-fourth-night-in-oregon-standoff

 

[ILOKAL]

RSBM

Wait just a damned second... isn't this called STALKING ??? I was under the assumption that is a criminal offense.
These self-proclaimed "Patriots" are nothing but law breakers.

They have NO right to be following anyone; regardless of what they think they're doing.
The local law enforcement shouldn't be taking this lightly... hopefully they are not.
MOO

According to Danny Coulson, former Assistant Deputy Director of the FBI, the only thing the militia has done that is against the law is trespass (if that). Here's a link quoting him, but he gave an interview on CNN where this quote is taken from:

http://www.independentsentinel.com/...icial-has-to-say-about-the-militia-in-oregon/

 

[i.b.nora]

Bundyland
Two devout Mormon brothers have created a fantasy camp for commandos in Eastern Oregon.
Willamette Week
By WW Staff
Updated 9:01 AM
Published 6:30 AM
BY JOHN SEPULVADO

This story was reported in collaboration between WW and Oregon Public Broadcasting.

http://www.wweek.com/2016/01/13/bundyland/

“WW and Oregon Public Broadcasting sent this reporter—who covered the Bundy family for KNPR radio in Las Vegas during their previous standoffs with the federal government in Nevada—to get inside the occupation.

For nearly seven hours last week, we were granted a rare level of access. The militant leaders allowed us past the media staging area to roam, without escorts, through the compound—including in buildings the Bundys had kept off-limits to most other press.

But a spot in the prayer circle with Bundy? No dice.”

*

“At the center of this spotlight is a camp where about three dozen socially isolated men have taken up arms and bonded despite deep contradictions among themselves.

Even one day spent bivouacked with these militants reveals a sketch, if not a fully formed picture, of a group of people searching for meaning and eager for attention from the media they profess to hate. Their ideology, a mash-up of radical Mormonism and militaristic fantasy, is a distillation of the frustration of people who've been marginalized by a world in which they do not fit.

Now, they have created a place of their own. They call the occupation Citizens for Constitutional Freedom, and have renamed the refuge the "Harney County Resource Center." But the place might be more precisely described as Bundyland.

And they can't explain how they're going to get out.”

*

“Ammon Bundy is the face of the resistance, in some ways his brother provides a more interesting window into the family business of rebellion.

Ryan Bundy, 43, is his younger brother Ammon's right-hand man, and has been for most of his life. Ryan grew up watching his charismatic younger brother. (A third brother, Mel, was also part of the occupation.)

One of 15 children of Nevada cattle rancher Cliven Bundy, Ammon was elected student body president at Virgin Valley High School in Mesquite, Nev., in 1992.

"Besides being student body president, he liked to box," Ryan recalled last week. Ryan Bundy said his brother held lunchtime boxing matches in defiance of school administrators. "[He] would go out into the schoolyard to do this boxing."

Ryan Bundy is a sympathetic figure, no matter your politics. Just after his seventh birthday, he was hit by a car, severing nerves and permanently deforming his face, causing the left side to droop—almost as if he had suffered a massive stroke.

After high school (neither Bundy brother attended college), Ryan worked with Ammon servicing fleet vehicles, but for at least two years he has lived with his wife and eight children on the Mesquite ranch that belongs to his father, Cliven Bundy, where he says he helps his father with cattle.

On the Malheur compound last week, Ryan dressed like a sheriff from a children's book. He wore a brown vest over a blue wrangler shirt, with a Stetson hat and cowboy boots. He often hid his face with his cowboy hat.

Like his brother, Ryan is a self-described devout member of the mainline Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Last week, he took part in private prayer sessions roughly every three hours—prayers led by Ammon.”​

Good article! Lots more!

 

[bluesneakers]

https://ourgreaterdestiny.wordpress...urt-judges-unite-to-ignite-279-trillion-lien/

4 SUPERIOR COURT JUDGES UNITE TO IGNITE $279 TRILLION LIEN
Posted on December 7, 2015 by Doreen Agostino

From Diane Hicks Dec 06.15

Well today I had the honor of speaking with Judge Bruce Doucette who commented that we need to fix the system and right now. Bruce is now retired, told me he made a lot of money, yet something keeps pulling him back to help fix the broken system. ... blah blah blah​

Oh, I get it now. They're LARPing.

 

[Everyday Grace]

Nothing like having the crimes on video.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/oregon_standoff_bundy_militant.html

Oregon standoff: Bundy, militants destroy fence at federal refuge

By Luke Hammill | The Oregonian/OregonLive
on January 11, 2016 at 2:13 PM, updated January 11, 2016 at 4:39 PM

“BURNS — Militants presiding over an armed occupation of a federal bird sanctuary destroyed a portion of a fence Monday afternoon that they said was installed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service – using the agency's own equipment.

The stunt was perhaps the militants' boldest yet since overtaking the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge earlier this month. Arizona businessman Ammon Bundy and his band of protesters traveled about five miles south of refuge headquarters to a property where they said a local ranching family grazes cattle.”​

Be sure to watch the video.

About that fence...

Tim Puckett, the rancher whose cattle graze private rangeland adjoining the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, said he didn't give Ammon Bundy and his band of armed militants permission to enter the ranch Monday afternoon and destroy a publicly owned fence.

"I didn't know anything about it 'til late [Monday] night," Puckett told The Oregonian/OregonLive. "They didn't have my permission to do anything."

Puckett acknowledged that one of his representatives at the ranch showed the militants where the fence was and allowed them on the property. But the representative did not give them permission to tear out the fence, he said.

"I am very upset," Puckett said. His ranch hands have already repaired the fence. "They're not coming onto my place no more," he said of the militants. "If they do, I'm gonna have to do something about it. I don't want them going across my ground."

Statement from rancher Tim Puckett

"As owner of the ranch that borders the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters, I would like to make it clear that I DO NOT condone nor did I ask for the protesters at the refuge to cut fences to allow my cows access to the refuge. The protesters are quoting a representative who did not have the authority to speak on my behalf.

"I have no grievances with the refuge or the BLM. I have BLM grazing permits that I use each year, and I am a good steward of the land. I am a hay farmer, I DO NOT DEPEND ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO RAISE MY CATTLE. I have been in Harney County for four years, in no way do I feel that I am entitled to the refuge for grazing. I was informed of the fence last fall prior to its construction, and it has not nor will it affect my cattle operation."

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/rancher_i_didnt_know_anything.html

 

[doublestop]

So the electric utility has no way to cut off a non-paying customer without cutting off all of their neighbors too? That seems....unusual.

 

[bluesneakers]

According to Danny Coulson, former Assistant Deputy Director of the FBI, the only thing the militia has done that is against the law is trespass (if that). Here's a link quoting him, but he gave an interview on CNN where this quote is taken from:

http://www.independentsentinel.com/...icial-has-to-say-about-the-militia-in-oregon/

Also from the link:

The militia want people to stand with them. It’s not likely they will get the reaction they got when the Bundy ranch was occupied by the Bureau of Land Management. God bless them for their courage and their patriotism.

 

[Frigga]

So the electric utility has no way to cut off a non-paying customer without cutting off all of their neighbors too? That seems....unusual.

I thought so too? It must be a lie... who has ever heard of such a thing?

 

[bluesneakers]

I thought so too? It must be a lie... who has ever heard of such a thing?

Can they maybe not get to where the power connects to the refuge? If they can't do that the only way might be to cut it off at the grid.

 

[i.b.nora]

My understanding is that to cut electrical power off to the refuge individually, it has to be done at the refuge itself. There are at all times, one or two Bundyland snipers in that tall tower watching for trespassers. Therefore, no power company people are allowed on the property.

 

[pappa rob]

Since we're seeing video of Jon Ritzenheimer pushing boxes of "goodies" off a table at the compound, it seems the power to that facility has not been cut. I'm wondering why not?

If they did several nearby ranches would lose power also.

 

[pappa rob]

So the electric utility has no way to cut off a non-paying customer without cutting off all of their neighbors too? That seems....unusual.

Of course they can cut it off by sending men on site. Do you think that would be a good idea?

 

[bluesneakers]

Of course they can cut it off by sending men on site. Do you think that would be a good idea?

The mm say they will only use violence in defense if LE starts it. Would they consider cutting off power violence? I'm not suggesting anyone should attempt it because I believe the mm will open fire, but it sure demonstrates their hypocrisy, doesn't it?