OR - Militia members occupy federal building in Oregon after protest #2

[Tulessa]

I wanted to give you guys a chuckle. I got a kick out of this.

 

[bluesneakers]

I wanted to give you guys a chuckle. I got a kick out of this.

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I love it.

 

[bluesneakers]

How A Digital Friendship Created An Unlikely Holdout

Online, however, David Fry found an older, male ear to bend in Robert “LaVoy” Finicum. The Arizona rancher had become a supporter and close confidant of the Bundy family in 2014 after Finicum came to the Bundy ranch in April, during the family’s standoff with the Bureau of Land Management. During that time, Finicum began posting videos on YouTube and long screeds in militia chat rooms. Fry casually commented on those videos and posts, and shortly the two began a digital correspondence.

That connection turned into a friendship after Fry helped Finicum self-publish his book, Only by Blood and Suffering, a post-apocalyptic novel set in the western desert.

“He talked about LaVoy a lot, you know, on the computer, and even on the phone,” Fry Jr. said. “They were friends. I’m not sure how good, but before he left [for Oregon], and I think if LaVoy wasn’t there, [David] wouldn’t have left.”

“Yesterday, as the FBI began its siege, [Fry] kept following around real militia,” the post read. “Several of them told him to go away…David refused, so they kicked him out of the vehicle on the side of the road.”

That means when the militants had the chance to take him with them, to effectively get him off the refuge, they instead threw him out of the car. Now, some of those same militants are urging him to leave, so they can be bailed out of jail.

Fry, meanwhile, is as defiant as ever.

“I will stay here to the end,” he said, after hearing Ammon Bundy’s plea for the remaining occupiers to surrender.

Lots more about his background and how he got to know Finicum. I didn't realize they were friends before this started.

This is from the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom:
https://www.facebook.com/CitizensForConstitutionalFreedom.NEWS/posts/1656965357910827

 

[RickshawFan]

Remember the drought in California? Water is used to grow alfalfa AND to water the cattle, when the water could be used for people.

Why do ranchers get first choice and two grabs at the water, especially during a severe drought? Oh, right, because they're persecuted and over-taxed.

The water-rights issue is a complicated topic, completely separate from the rangeland issue. It involves water rights and who is upstream versus who is downstream. There are historic claims to water.

The alternative of using fields for human food rather than using fields for animal food is also an entirely different subject: it is debatable whether one strategy is more sustainable than the other. We could be reminded that grain agriculture for human consumption was a primary cause of the dust bowl years.

Plus, the rangeland used for meat livestock is not suitable for irrigation, plants, or a whole lot of anything except grazing. If you look at photos of the area around Burns, you will see what I mean. A lot of the West is like this.

 

[bluesneakers]

The water-rights issue is a complicated topic, completely separate from the rangeland issue. It involves water rights and who is upstream versus who is downstream. There are historic claims to water.

The alternative of using fields for human food rather than using fields for animal food is also an entirely different subject: it is debatable whether one strategy is more sustainable than the other. We could be reminded that grain agriculture for human consumption was a primary cause of the dust bowl years.

Plus, the rangeland used for meat livestock is not suitable for irrigation, plants, or a whole lot of anything except grazing. If you look at photos of the area around Burns, you will see what I mean. A lot of the West is like this.

I spent half my childhood on a cattle ranch in Oregon. Herefords and Angus.

My comment wasn't a response to the Bundys and their friends it was simply an add-on to the Cowspiracy reference.

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...over-batters-all-sides-there-has-been-damage/

BURNS, Ore. — The occupation of a federal wildlife refuge near here has been a searing experience for Harney County’s top elected leader. He’s endured anonymous death threats delivered by phone and email, and at one point looked out the courthouse door to find armed men standing vigil by the street.

But one of the most painful blows was a phone call last week from a man he considered an old friend.

It came shortly after the Tuesday shooting by law enforcement that killed Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, an Arizona rancher and spokesman for the militants who took over the refuge headquarters complex.

“He called me to say, ‘How does it feel to be involved with murdering the father of 11 kids,’ ” said Judge Steve Grasty. “I said, ‘If that is your starting point, you and I are probably not going to be able to have this conversation.’ 

Oh, and:

Finally, Dunbar confronted one driver and asked why they were driving across his property. He was told someone at the refuge had placed a loader as a barricade across the bridge on the main road. And none of the occupiers could find the key to start the loader.

 

[Donjeta]

Also interesting in that video, was the story about how they were guarding some machinery when the Bundy arrest happened, everybody else bugged out, they didn’t hear about it and they were left behind.

[video=youtube;RY-evPvwzaY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY-evPvwzaY[/video]

There's a certain irony in Sean Anderson frothing about fighting for the law, with his extensive history of law violations.

 

[Donjeta]

How A Digital Friendship Created An Unlikely Holdout


Lots more about his background and how he got to know Finicum. I didn't realize they were friends before this started.

This is from the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom:
https://www.facebook.com/CitizensForConstitutionalFreedom.NEWS/posts/1656965357910827

He sounds like a real peach:

That angry, provocative and explosive tone is a major character of Fry’s personality, according to members of his family.

“He’s had his problems, some of which he’s brought on himself,” his paternal grandfather, William Fry, told OPB. “He gets pulled over for busted taillights, and instead of just rolling down his window and handing over his insurance, he screams at the officer, ‘What the [expletive] do you want?’ And right there, a regular thing turns into him in handcuffs.”

“Dear America, here’s a letter I received from Pioneer Collections Agency telling me they want some money because I refused to pay some criminal court fines for smoking marijuana on a river and not wearing a life jacket,” Fry said in a YouTube video, where he shows himself burning the collections letter. “This is obviously tyranny. This is [expletive].”

He sounds like an explosive combination of conspiracy paranoia, anger control and behavior problems, drug usage and beliefs that regular laws don't apply to him and if he's being held accountable for his actions it's always someone else's fault and deeply unfair. When/if he gets out of here alive it's not the end of it by no means, he'll get in more trouble and sooner or later someone is bound to get hurt, whether it's him or somebody else.
JMO.

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...fbi-perimeter-were-psychologically-exhausted/

Landowners Inside FBI Perimeter: 'We’re Psychologically Exhausted'

At 2 a.m Wednesday, he got a call from his nearby son who said a number of vehicles were approaching his house from the refuge. He could see car lights coming toward them.

He told his wife to keep the lights off and to call 911. The vehicles pulled up in front of his house and several people emerged, 30 feet from his front door. Terrified, his wife stayed on the phone with 911 dispatch.

“I didn’t know what was to stop them from maybe thinking ‘maybe we could have some hostages,” Dunbar said. “Desperate people do desperate things.”

 

[Donjeta]

The audio with David Fry is worth listening to.
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...-malheur-refuge-militans-search-for-opitions/
The tone of the reporter... He is so polite but you can hear the facepalms in his voice.

The best bit is when Sandy Anderson says she broke no laws and prevented no one from doing their job because there were no federal employees when she arrived, and the reporter asks her if she'd have let the refuge employees come in and do their job. Then she pulls the good old "I just did what I was told" card.

And David Fry is on tape basically saying that he'd shoot if someone tried to arrest him.

They're so afraid that they might be arrested and go to prison... what the hell did they think was gonna happen when they do an armed standoff in a federal building?

He refers to the remaining four as "lost Indians".

He gets asked how long the supplies last and he says there's enough for four and the reporter goes, yeah but how long, and he has no idea how long their supplies are gonna last.

Politically incorrect opinion follows: I think these last ones standing are as dumb as a box of rocks.

 

[Hope4More]

The audio with David Fry is worth listening to.
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...-malheur-refuge-militans-search-for-opitions/
The tone of the reporter... He is so polite but you can hear the facepalms in his voice.

The best bit is when Sandy Anderson says she broke no laws and prevented no one from doing their job because there were no federal employees when she arrived, and the reporter asks her if she'd have let the refuge employees come in and do their job.

And David Fry is on tape basically saying that he'd shoot if someone tried to arrest him.

He gets asked how long the supplies last and he says there's enough for four and the reporter goes, yeah but how long, and he has no idea how long their supplies are gonna last.

Politically incorrect opinion: I think these last ones standing are as dumb as a box of rocks.

They sure don't have any sense of history or irony.

Best line by Fry: "we were just following orders."

Best line by Anderson: "all the chiefs left, leaving just us little Indians."


Best joke is on the jailed leaders- they're stuck in jail until the feller Fry they rejected, ostracized, sneered at and threw out of the truck relents and leaves, one way or another.

 

[Hope4More]

The audio with David Fry is worth listening to.
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...-malheur-refuge-militans-search-for-opitions/
The tone of the reporter... He is so polite but you can hear the facepalms in his voice.

The best bit is when Sandy Anderson says she broke no laws and prevented no one from doing their job because there were no federal employees when she arrived, and the reporter asks her if she'd have let the refuge employees come in and do their job. Then she pulls the good old "I just did what I was told" card.

And David Fry is on tape basically saying that he'd shoot if someone tried to arrest him.

They're so afraid that they might be arrested and go to prison... what the hell did they think was gonna happen when they do an armed standoff in a federal building?

He refers to the remaining four as "lost Indians".

He gets asked how long the supplies last and he says there's enough for four and the reporter goes, yeah but how long, and he has no idea how long their supplies are gonna last.

Politically incorrect opinion follows: I think these last ones standing are as dumb as a box of rocks.

Fry is paranoid that "bad" "weird" things would happen to him in prison--sounds like he's terrified he'd be raped.

 

[i.b.nora]

How A Digital Friendship Created An Unlikely Holdout

Lots more about his background and how he got to know Finicum. I didn't realize they were friends before this started.

This is from the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom:
https://www.facebook.com/CitizensForConstitutionalFreedom.NEWS/posts/1656965357910827

Last night when you posted this, I truly thought you must have lost your mind. I failed to follow your link to John Sepulvado's excellent article on David Fry and thought instead that it had come from Jake Morphonios at his Citizens for BlahBlahBlah. I was thinking how would he know anything about David? He mostly produces The End Times Report and surely you must know that. In the light of day, I realized my error.

Anyhow, its a very good, informative article and well worth the time to read it. Thanks for finding and linking to it!

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...avoy-finicum-malheur-refuge-occupatin-oregon/

 

[Dr. Know?]

I was wondering how much longer they would be able to stream on youtube. Apparently, via twitter & facebook, they shut their phones off overnight.

Search Sandy A or Oregon Standoff on facebook & it was posted just a little while ago. Sandy is communicating via fb now.

eta, they shut their internet off & person who posted said they called them to tell them that.

 

[bluesneakers]

Last night when you posted this, I truly thought you must have lost your mind. I failed to follow your link to John Sepulvado's excellent article on David Fry and thought instead that it had come from Jake Morphonios at his Citizens for BlahBlahBlah. I was thinking how would he know anything about David? He mostly produces The End Times Report and surely you must know that. In the light of day, I realized my error.

Anyhow, its a very good, informative article and well worth the time to read it. Thanks for finding and linking to it!

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...avoy-finicum-malheur-refuge-occupatin-oregon/

I'm glad you enjoyed it! He is unstable and I think he's found others who are equally unstable. Maybe they'll eventually turn on each other.

As for the losing my mind bit the jury is still out.

 

[i.b.nora]

One mystery solved. A couple of nights ago, we heard Sean Anderson talking with some "constitutional" sheriff named Doug on the phone.

Now we know:

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-st...andoff_day_30_what_yo.html#incart_maj-story-1

“● Six miles beyond an FBI roadblock, the four remaining holdouts at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge huddled around a small fire Saturday and waited for divine intervention. That's what Sean Anderson told his hometown sheriff, who called from Idaho County, Idaho, to ask if he could help. Anderson, 47, and his wife, Sandy, 48, remain encamped at the Oregon wildlife refuge with Jeff Banta, 46, of Elko, Nevada, and David Fry, 27, of Blanchester, Ohio. "I'm hoping for a miracle," Anderson told Sheriff Doug Giddings, who has been Idaho County's top law enforcement officer for eight years. "I believe God put us here."​

 

[Dr. Know?]

John Sepulvado ‏@JohnLGC 39m39 minutes ago Portland, OR
.@OPB's @ksfreda is told by david fry that all phone calls OUT of the refuge have been cut, only calls into his phone work. 1/3

John Sepulvado ‏@JohnLGC 39m39 minutes ago Portland, OR
@opb cannot verify whether electricity has been cut to the compound - militants using generator. Fry says no internet is available.

John Sepulvado ‏@JohnLGC 38m38 minutes ago Portland, OR
.@opb HAS verified that Sean Anderson's phone has been cut. landline #'s are busy. this as the PPN is planning support rallies.

John Sepulvado ‏@JohnLGC 34m34 minutes ago Portland, OR
possible fry could lying - but we have verified no other calls are going in at the moment except to his phone.

https://twitter.com/JohnLGC/with_replies

FBI Blocking Lines Of Communication, Militants Say

David Fry, one of the four remaining militants, said the FBI made it so the occupiers can’t make outgoing calls on their cellphones. Fry said he can receive incoming calls, but that the other three in the refuge appear unable to receive calls on their cellphones. The militants also said they’ve lost access to the internet.

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...ines-of-communication-militants-say/?t=393309

 

[SuzDuJour]

Are supporters actually showing up?

 

[Dr. Know?]

Reporter answering a question about David Fry's emotional state.

Kim Freda ‏@ksfreda 6m6 minutes ago
Kim Freda Retweeted Personal Shoplifter
He seemed a little frantic, unsure of what was to come. Said they had enough supplies to stay, though

https://twitter.com/ksfreda/with_replies

Reporter was asked if Cox was still in or out of jail.

Kim Freda ‏@ksfreda 14m14 minutes ago
@SPA_2 @JohnLGC @OPBnews @ameliaOPB @ryanjhaas @amandapeacher she's out

 

[bluesneakers]

Are supporters actually showing up?

There were tweets yesterday of a crowd but I think they were there for the original purpose and not in support of Fry and friends.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I saw a short video of the supporters driving through Burns shouting words about Lavoy's death yesterday. Read there were about 30 trucks/vehicles but haven't read it in the news.