OR - Nine killed in Umpqua Community College shooting, Roseburg, 1 Oct 2015 - #1

[La Louve]

"evidence teams processing the crime scene"
thanking all the LE who have come to help

President of the College, Rita Cabbot now speaking

 

[La Louve]

"this is a crisis and we are asking for help and receiving help"
"absolutely agree the focus should be on all those who opened their hearts to help us today"

Sheriff Hanlin heading to the candlelight vigil. Press officer now speaking.

 

[bluesneakers]

Other nations have plenty of issues and people take psychotropic meds, They have violent video games, divorce, abuse of all kinds.

There is one thing most nations do not have. The one thing that is the difference.

Onion:
'No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

 

[La Louve]

Press officer "not determined when the next press briefing will be"

 

[gitana1]

So now that we do have his name, what can we find on him? And by we I mean you awesome sleuthers because by the time I find something it's typically already old news!

I think Bessie pointed out a good reason to identify these people, could you imagine the horror of being confused with a killer? And it is important to see what can be learned about these individuals to help shape the profile of who commits crimes like this.

I am very heartbroken that from reports they are saying it's an attack based on religion. How incredibly brave, an unwavering in faith must people have been to answer yes if that truly was the case.

We don't need to learn one more damn thing about these individuals. The profile is pretty clear. Some variation but basically, we know exactly who they are:

1. Typically male.
2. Typically teens/twenties.
3. Socially awkward/isolated/neurological issue or mental illness.
4. Filled with a sense of impotence and insignificance.
5. Filled with rage.
6. Believe they are due accolades they have not received.
7. Desperately crave recognition.

NOTHING is gained by identifying these creeps. At least nothing that outweighs the absolute devastation that naming them causes. IMO.

 

[crabstick]

Dont speak his name. May he be forgotten, left to rot in a dark corner.

 

[KristinSchmistin]

Im reading 4chan now, I wonder why its still online.

Seems like no one notified ANYONE.

Just busted in here to post- catching up- Shooter: Christopher Harper-Mercer age 26

Here's a link to the 4chan article (it links to the post too - I don't think I can link 4chan so I'll just link the article)

http://www.nytimes.com/live/shooting-at-umpqua-community-college/social-media-scrutinized/

 

[La Louve]

KGW/NBC now justifying their naming of the shooter.

 

[bluesneakers]

Dont speak his name. May he be forgotten, left to rot in a dark corner.

Sounds like a great idea to me.

 

[Montjoy]

I think that there is a thread that runs between these two posts:

(rsbm)

It's simple: Deny them their fame as their voice. Every single media outlet in America should agree to a pact to deny these creeps the "reward" they feel they get from this.

Do not name them.

Do not identify them.

Do not speak about their lives or backgrounds.

Do not call them macho-sounding things like "killer" or "gunman".

Do not plaster their photo across the airwaves or in newspapers like heroes.


Refer to to them as what they are: Murderers and cowards. Period.

I've said this many times before. I sincerely believe these mass
murders would decline in frequency if that's what would happen.

I get the whole gun control debate. But every time something like this happens, the focus is on guns and not mental health. There is no way this guy was mentally stable and just snapped. The US fails, tragically, in caring for the mentally ill and that failure gets swept under the rug by the very political gun control debate, every, single time.

IMO, the naming, fame-ing, and mythologizing of mass and serial killers is a force that distracts people from recognizing the broader issues (like inadequate care for the mentally ill, and for that matter, the ubiquity of guns).

We have come to think that monsters are the problem, rather than looking at the micro and macro circumstances in this society that produce monsters at a greater rate in the USA than in any other developed nation. The mythologizing/scapegoating of monsters is an efficient way of avoiding discussions about how we can reduce the number of monstrous incidents down the road.

 

[kalekona]

We don't need to learn one more damn thing about these individuals. The profile is pretty clear. Some variation but basically, we know exactly who they are:

1. Typically male.
2. Typically teens/twenties.
3. Socially awkward/isolated/neurological issue or mental illness.
4. Filled with a sense of impotence and insignificance.
5. Filled with rage.
6. Believe they are due accolades they have not received.
7. Desperately crave recognition.

NOTHING is gained by identifying these creeps. At least nothing that outweighs the absolute devastation that naming them causes. IMO.

In this era of instant information the one thing gained by identifying this shoot is to clear the other poor guy who was wrongly ID'd

Speak his name as little as possible but we must continue to explore the causes behind these shootings and find ways to prevent them.

 

[Shelby1]

I'm in a meltdown of tears. I'm SO damn sick of this senseless killing.

God, please lift up and put your arms around all of the victims, family and friends. And, please....help us stop this from happening again. Amen.

 

[JLSChook]

Well, that explains a lot......

Sorry, just catching up after snooping around online for info. I found a lot but waiting for MSM (AGAIN!) Grrr.

What explains a lot?


Sidenote: That FB posted above is not the same guy. If you look around his profile, you'll know why.

 

[JLSChook]

One of the Reporters stated a bit ago he has some youtube videos that are frightening rants. If this is true since we now have a name one might be inclined to check them out.

They're talking about the other 'egg' guy that CNN had in their sights all day. Wrong guy.
He may have a YT account, but it hasn't been found yet.

 

[EllieBee]

Dont speak his name. May he be forgotten, left to rot in a dark corner.

I get what you're saying but many of us are members here due to our fascination with true crime, serial killers and the like.

I agree these "glory-seeking" killers should not get the publicity they crave, but this guy is dead. And quite frankly, many of us are here because we want to know WTH makes people like this tick.

Although this is a victim-friendly forum, we ARE still a true-crime forum, right? Isn't there a big honking banner advertising how WS is part of a new doc about the LISK?

We are here because we are interested.

 

[sourgrapes]

You know we used to be a nation of respect and decorum. The media didn't chase celebrities down like foxes being hunted and respected basic privacy. The media was more responsible in reporting and was often active in attempting to make society safer.

For example, there have been cases where the media worked with the police in their responses and reaction to serial killers who communicated with newspapers or just in reporting things a certain way so as to cause a reaction in the monster.

It is time for some of that attitude now. We need to put people over profits. It is about morality and self-preservation.

Pretty much all these murderers are rage-filled, alienated, socially awkward or seriously mentally ill young men in their teens or twenties who feel insignificant and isolated. They feel this is the way to become famous, be "special", be powerful and to force everyone to hear them.

It's simple: Deny them their fame as their voice. Every single media outlet in America should agree to a pact to deny these creeps the "reward" they feel they get from this.

Do not name them.

Do not identify them.

Do not speak about their lives or backgrounds.

Do not call them macho-sounding things like "killer" or "gunman".

Do not plaster their photo across the airwaves or in newspapers like heroes.


Refer to to them as what they are: Murderers and cowards. Period.

I've said this many times before. I sincerely believe these mass
murders would decline in frequency if that's what would happen.

Gitana,

I agree with your assertion about our media. I was just recently, in light of the recent anniversary of Princess Diana's death, discussing the same with my husband.

Princess Di's death was one of those, "remember what you were doing, when.. ", moments for me. I remember it, clear as day (well, it was evening where I was) and I remember my thoughts about the incident.

I remember thinking how bad, and hard up, the media must be in the UK. I was always reading about the royal family being harassed my paparazzi, as well as huge sports figures. The same paparazzi behavior happened to American actors/actresses that would visit or tour the UK.

Their mags were full of "inside" stories and dirty rumors about celebrities. We had the enquire, but that seemed to be more focused on UFO'S, women giving birth to warewolves, and government conspiracies.

I'm sorry, if this post seems to be off-topic, but I don't believe it is. In the past few decades, our media has evolved away from free-press storied and real journalism and into sensationalism and Enquir'esque fiction. So, yes. The media is a huge part of the problem.

With that said, I'm not really sure how to fix that part of the issue. There may be little we can do about the media issue, just as there isn't much we can do about the gun issue. Neither issue can be properly dealt with, without revising our Constitution. And that is something I am NOT willing to consider.

And, so we're back to the beginning. Back to where we can make a difference and that is at home.

 

[SophieRose]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/01/umpqua-gunman-id-d-as-chris-harper-mercer.html

Harper-Mercer and his mother previously lived in Torrance {CA} before moving to an apartment in Winchester, Oregon, where neighbors tell The Daily Beast there is a heavy police presence.

 

[bluesneakers]

Sorry, just catching up after snooping around online for info. I found a lot but waiting for MSM (AGAIN!) Grrr.

What explains a lot?


Sidenote: That FB posted above is not the same guy. If you look around his profile, you'll know why.

Is the Facebook with the Cascadian flag not the right person?

 

[Foxfire]

That shows he lived in Los Angeles at the time. Birth records show he was born in Los Angeles County. I wonder when he moved to Oregon.

He is from Torrance, a city in the South Bay (southwestern) region of Los Angeles County, California

 

[1&2&3]

I have to disagree. My Clients have quality of life back due to psychotropics. They are strictly managed and yes is does take time with the right med and combination. I was privy to one Client who had to go off a strictly Govt. controlled psychotropic before starting her cancer treatment. She was reduced to a wheelchair, no speech, dystonia, drooling, incontinent etc. etc. Treatment ended. Back on her med. Walking, talking and her life back. They do have their place and do give folks quality of life. IMO

I agree with you IF the patient has the doctor that is into caring and treating their patients to the best of her/his ability. Too many doctors use a routine of medicines for each problem and are not open to changing their ways.

Another major problem in the USA is the decrepit mental health system we have! The people working in these mental health clinics are not top notch people! At least that is the way it is in my state and I would assume most states are the same. While I have watched the local one go continuously down hill for the last five years, the number of patients have increased as has their conditions being perceivable to the average person.

IMO there is a serious problem in the mental health area. The government needs to give much more money for quality care to this group of people. I can't address all the issues, only that when the government closed down our mental health system a whole new flood of problems were released into society.

People want to blame bad things on guns. First, we need to look at the people having those guns and help them.

My opinions only.