OR - Nine killed in Umpqua Community College shooting, Roseburg, 1 Oct 2015 - #1

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You know we used to be a nation of respect and decorum. The media didn't chase celebrities down like foxes being hunted and respected basic privacy. The media was more responsible in reporting and was often active in attempting to make society safer.

For example, there have been cases where the media worked with the police in their responses and reaction to serial killers who communicated with newspapers or just in reporting things a certain way so as to cause a reaction in the monster.

It is time for some of that attitude now. We need to put people over profits. It is about morality and self-preservation.

Pretty much all these murderers are rage-filled, alienated, socially awkward or seriously mentally ill young men in their teens or twenties who feel insignificant and isolated. They feel this is the way to become famous, be "special", be powerful and to force everyone to hear them.

It's simple: Deny them their fame and their voice. Every single media outlet in America should agree to a pact to deny these creeps the "reward" they feel they get from this.

Do not name them.

Do not identify them.

Do not speak about their lives or backgrounds.

Do not call them macho-sounding things like "killer" or "gunman".

Do not plaster their photo across the airwaves or in newspapers like heroes.


Refer to to them as what they are: Murderers and cowards. Period.

I've said this many times before. I sincerely believe these mass murders would decline in frequency if that's what would happen.

Gitana, normally I agree with you 100% on everything. But, for me, I need to know about the murderer. I need to know how he got to the point where he would murder innocent people who were just minding their own business today. I don't want him to be glorified or revered. But I need to understand how he got to where he was today. How he got his weapons and why so many other losers were supporting him and giving him tips on how to do what he set out to do just 24 hours ago.

I need to know why. If there even is a why.
 
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More LE has arrived at the apartment complex in Winchester. Now 10-12 LE vehicles on scene.

KGW continuing to justify naming the shooter "because it's part of the story" but say they will "re-evaluate"
 
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With reference to an earlier discussion about whether or not the name of a mass murderer should be released, this is one very good reason why the shooter has to be publicly identified, so that an innocent individual won't be mistakenly ID'd as a killer.

yes, for sure. and with CNN's sloppy rush to break news they quite literally put a man's life in danger.
 
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Wow, the people on 4chan are a bunch of sick sick excuses for humans. They need mental help.
 
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Gitana, normally I agree with you 100% on everything. But, for me, I need to know about the murderer. I need to know how he got to the point where he would murder innocent people who were just minding their own business today. I don't want him to be glorified or revered. But I need to understand how he got to where he was today. How he got his weapons and why so many other losers were supporting him and giving him tips on how to do what he set out to do just 24 hours ago.

I need to know why.

Just curious...how does that change anything that happened today? How does it change anything until the next mass shooting?
 
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I get the whole gun control debate. But every time something like this happens, the focus is on guns and not mental health. There is no way this guy was mentally stable and just snapped. The US fails, tragically, in caring for the mentally ill and that failure gets swept under the rug by the very political gun control debate, every, single time.

Yeah but some things can't be fixed by mental health care. I think about half these murderers either were not diagnosed with anything, or didn't present with any "serious" symptoms and I think that many/most of these cowards did not show signs that showed they were a danger to themselves or others. Except maybe on the internet to strangers.

Therapists and doctors see vast numbers of people with neurological or mental health issues who are lower functioning than most of these creeps. And I would venture to guess that 99.9% of people with neurological or mental health issues similar to what some of these guys may have are not dangerous at all.

So what kind of care are we talking about? What treatment? How do you force an adult to go to therapy? When there, how do you force them to divulge what they are really thinking? The guy who shot up the people in Santa Barbara spoke to a psychologist and a team of cops who came out to assess him and showed no signs to them of something like what he did next.

And the guy who stalked Byork. He tried to kill her. He saw a therapist regularly for "depression". Tell me how a mental health professional is supposed to act as mind reader? How is it all supposed to work?

Don't get me wrong. I agree that our health care system and how we treat the mentally ill in this country is abysmal. I just don''t think the radical changes we need would help the kind of creeps who do stuff like this. Not most of them, who are able to act like they're functioning and h8ide what's really going on in their minds.
 
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yes, for sure. and with CNN's sloppy rush to break news they quite literally put a man's life in danger.

I could see that if there had been a manhunt for an active shooter and suspect. But in this case the shooter was reported "neutralized".
 
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I could see that if there had been a manhunt for an active shooter and suspect. But in this case the shooter was reported "neutralized".

But wasn't the person they named still out there?
 
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Just curious...how does that change anything that happened today? How does it change anything until the next mass shooting?

Knowledge is power. Don't you believe we need to understand why we have so many malcontents in our midst? Don't you want to know if your neighbor or coworker is capable of this? IMO, we have raised a generation of people who truly believe they're entitled and take no responsibility for their own actions (or inactions).

My own children are in this age group.
 
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Just busted in here to post- catching up- Shooter: Christopher Harper-Mercer age 26

Here's a link to the 4chan article (it links to the post too - I don't think I can link 4chan so I'll just link the article)

http://www.nytimes.com/live/shooting-at-umpqua-community-college/social-media-scrutinized/

O. M. G. I hope the FBI and every other LE finds anyone who contributed on this very sick thread/line - that is attached to the like above from nyt. I never knew this SICK kinda stuff was so public. Very sad.
 
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Knowledge is power. Don't you believe we need to understand why we have so many malcontents in our midst? Don't you want to know if your neighbor or coworker is capable of this? IMO, we have raised a generation of people who truly believe they're entitled and take no responsibility for their own actions (or inactions).

My own children are in this age group.

We know quite a bit about mass shooters, at least the ones that are still alive. Kip Kinkel for instance. How has any of that knowledge prevented one single mass shooting?
 
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Knowledge is power. Don't you believe we need to understand why we have so many malcontents in our midst? Don't you want to know if your neighbor or coworker is capable of this? IMO, we have raised a generation of people who truly believe they're entitled and take no responsibility for their own actions (or inactions).

My own children are in this age group.
BBM how exactly are you going to "know" this, without instituting some sort of thought police?
 
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I get the whole gun control debate. But every time something like this happens, the focus is on guns and not mental health. There is no way this guy was mentally stable and just snapped. The US fails, tragically, in caring for the mentally ill and that failure gets swept under the rug by the very political gun control debate, every, single time.

A lot of these guys, though, are not mentally ill in the same way as those who need traditional mental health care. Mostly they're misanthropic, angry, loners - and for every one that goes on a shooting spree there are probably thousands who only ever dream about it. They can't be forced into mental health treatment, and they're very unlikely to accept treatment if it's offered since they see the problem in society, not themselves. I think more can be done from a prevention and early intervention angle, and addressing the causes, but I'm not so sure that is the same thing as fixing a failing mental health system. Other countries also have inadequate mental health care, and angry awkward young men, but it doesn't escalate into one mass shooting after another. For me, this is closer to the debate about young men becoming radicalised to violence (e.g. in Australia and the UK) than it is about mental health. There are definitely overlaps, but it's not the same thing.
 
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I'm not computing your question, sorry.

The shooter was ID'd, but the ID was wrong. So as you said the shooter was "neutralized" but the person who had been identified (incorrectly) as the shooter was still out there.
 
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O. M. G. I hope the FBI and every other LE finds anyone who contributed on this very sick thread/line - that is attached to the like above from nyt. I never knew this SICK kinda stuff was so public. Very sad.

It gets much worse than this. Even twitter gets that bad. I would be shocked if the FBI went after 4chan and its ilk.
 
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We know quite a bit about mass shooters, at least the ones that are still alive. Kip Kinkel for instance. How has any of that knowledge prevented one single mass shooting?

Do you know that it hasn't?
 
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