OR OR - Stephanie Warner, 43, Ruch, 4 Jul 2013 - #1

[puckmanryan]

Just did a real quick search. Nothing jumped out in regards to location. Maybe a "Wolf" mine? I have only been to the Portland area, but judging by the terrain, and topography, it seems almost ideal for hiding people/places. Well I got to work overnight, so time for a power-nap. Keep the faith y'all.

The surname "Wolf" is not uncommon. Mr. and Mrs. Lethal Wolf -- not so common. Still, the info designates a defined "group" one could belong to. Possibly "cult-like" belong to.

My question is does it have significance to a place? -- that's what I want to know. I harp on a lot about place, you'll notice. Proximity and place KEY.

 

[Neptune]

As far as I can tell, these people are part of a group of faux relatives and mates. They are a scattered all over the world. Reading their pages and comments, the "mates" aren't even in proximity. I have tried for weeks to track down what this Lethal Wolf group is about, besides provocative pictures. :blushing: I think it's some kind of virtual family, but I can't figure out what the point is. I can't tell if LA is part of it, as his son is, but the howling wolf has made me wonder.

Yes, the provocative photos are another noticeable theme. I couldn't determine the connection between wolf-folk either or if LA is involved -- presumably father and son are quite close from the documents I could find. Thanks for the wolf links, Lilibet... I'll vet them, so to speak.

 

[Lilibet]

Thanks for the warm welcome, y'all. I will say as much as I can, until I get cut off, or moderated, right? Stephanie didn't even get involved with FB until the last year or so. I was happy she did, because I thought we could stay in touch better. The Helias video was shocking to me, but Stephanie was very trusting, so I could see her possibly being manipulated. Anyway if anyone has watched these disturbing videos they usually start and/or end with a REALLY freaky Wolf cry, and snarl. I noticed a parallel, with some wolf pictures that were posted on Stephanie's page. (Well, let me try and tip toe around this as best I can.) That was posted by the son of a POI who shall remain nameless. Well shortly after Steph went missing, I became friends on FB with the POI's son. This wolf thing is a recurring theme, a lot of the son's FB friends have nicknames, I guess, "handles" if you will. Either "Wolf" or "Lethal Wolf" inserted into their name. Club? Cult? Ravenous wolfpack? Just seems weird. I keep seeing all this dang wolf stuff popping up throughout their social media. I would love to ask them about it, and Helias 314. Sounds very culty to me. I still pray Steph is brainwashed, locked in a room somewhere.

Thanks for bringing up the wolf theme, Ryan. I've been trying to figure it out for weeks. I wrote a little about my very few ideas to Neptune. Although the wolf is a common theme, the people using the Wolf name don't seems to be into the same stuff as Helias314. But who knows?

I have been very concerned about the content of the videos. It's all a very dangerous combination of themes IMO. He has quite a following on YouTube among disaffected people. I don't know if LA/Helias and friends consider themselves "Sovereign Citizens" (see link), but they seem to be preparing for something.
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/p...nt-bulletin/september-2011/sovereign-citizens

I too hope that Stephanie is being held incommunicado or has been influenced to believe she needs to stay hidden from family, friends and LE. Patty Hearst was a victim of this kind of thinking by the SLA back in the '70's.

Thanks for your thoughts. Hang in there.

 

[Lilibet]

The surname "Wolf" is not uncommon. Mr. and Mrs. Lethal Wolf -- not so common. Still, the info designates a defined "group" one could belong to. Possibly "cult-like" belong to.

My question is does it have significance to a place? -- that's what I want to know. I harp on a lot about place, you'll notice. Proximity and place KEY.

I don't think there is any connection, but I couldn't believe I found someone names Charles Lethal Wolfe on Ancestry.com!

http://records.ancestry.com/Charles_Lethal_Wolfe_records.ashx?pid=13834698&te=1

 

[Neptune]

So I've learned Wolf is not an indication of place -- it's an international “operation”… for lack of a better description. 30-Facebook-connected people in the US, UK, Canada, Italy, and Columbia with various combos of "wolf" and "lethal" in the FB name. These people are operating on friend invites, or something. Most use the same graphics and icons. They have mothers/fathers/grandparents nearly the same age and “marry” within the circle of lethal wolves. One woman has married 2 times in the last 5 months and is now in another "relationship". They all appear to have the same “grandfather” who writes on their walls the kind of stuff my grandparents wouldn’t even think of. It's all code for something -- but not a creek or a mountain. Naïve me.

Several “lethal” wolves appear to be connected to the son of the POI -- that's the connection to Stephanie. Father and son were interviewed sitting outside Stephanie’s house so it makes one wonder what activities are taking place inside the house.

Ok, so far we’ve got…. international sex workers, a group of volunteer fuel advocates, gold mining, “end of the world” hysteria, a missing woman, and a parade.

 

[Lilibet]

So I've learned Wolf is not an indication of place -- it's an international “operation”… for lack of a better description. 30-Facebook-connected people in the US, UK, Canada, Italy, and Columbia with various combos of "wolf" and "lethal" in the FB name. These people are operating on friend invites, or something. Most use the same graphics and icons. They have mothers/fathers/grandparents nearly the same age and “marry” within the circle of lethal wolves. One woman has married 2 times in the last 5 months and is now in another "relationship". They all appear to have the same “grandfather” who writes on their walls the kind of stuff my grandparents wouldn’t even think of. It's all code for something -- but not a creek or a mountain. Naïve me.

Several “lethal” wolves appear to be connected to the son of the POI -- that's the connection to Stephanie. Father and son were interviewed sitting outside Stephanie’s house so it makes one wonder what activities are taking place inside the house.

Ok, so far we’ve got…. international sex workers, a group of volunteer fuel advocates, gold mining, “end of the world” hysteria, a missing woman, and a parade.

Unless I'm totally naive, my sense has been to think the Wolf "family" is a role playing game. I don't think the photos are of the real people playing the game. (Maybe that's a no-brainer to everyone). The game may well have something to do with sex workers, but it's all a virtual "reality" IMO. I kind of doubt Stephanie is involved, even though POI's son is.

I'd like to know why the interview took place at Stephanie's over two weeks after her disappearance. It surprises me that POI still had access at that point. I wonder what he told her family in order to retain access.

Add to your list the fight they had at or after the parade. Could Stephanie have broken up with POI, and could he have been about to lose something of value? Did she threaten to reveal something connected to his militia ideas? Was there a physical fight that got out of hand and led to a cover-up?

I'm still hoping she's either been hidden or is voluntarily hiding out somewhere. There are caves in those mountains.

 

[radiator]

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Ok, so far we’ve got…. international sex workers, a group of volunteer fuel advocates, gold mining, “end of the world” hysteria, a missing woman, and a parade.

What a summary...this is definitely one of the odder cases I've followed on WS. I actually hope some of these weird things are related to her being missing because that gives me more hope that she's alive.

Great sleuthing y'all!

 

[CatFancier]

Please remember the POI is open for sleuthing but his family members are not.

 

[Neptune]

Add to your list the fight they had at or after the parade. Could Stephanie have broken up with POI, and could he have been about to lose something of value? Did she threaten to reveal something connected to his militia ideas? Was there a physical fight that got out of hand and led to a cover-up?

With the recent remarks by Ed Bandrupt and Kristen Conand this speaks to Stephanie's mood and what could have sparked an incident on the ride back home. That's been my theory - something got out of hand in the vehicle and she never made it back to Ruch, but her SUV was returned by Lonnie. He started the engine before midnight -- somewhere on a mountain off-road -- and returned it to her home in the hour after midnight. Maybe left on foot or just stayed at her home. In the many hours after the parade until early July 5 morn -- there must have been cell activity as the SUV moved... tower pings. Hopefully the cell tower companies along the route have been subpoenaed for that timeframe for his phone number and hers.

 

[Neptune]

On the road from Jacksonville to Ruch and near Stephanie's home are Cell Towers owned by:
U.S. Cellular
Note: Subpoena Compliance Department
One Pierce Place, Suite 800
Itasca, IL 60143
Tower locations: 42.120389 / -123.082278 (Applegate)

Bicoastal Rogue Valley, LLC
1 Blackfield Dr. #333
Tiburon, CA 97530
Tower location: 42.286778 / -123.005417 (Jacksonville)

New Cingular Wireless Services, Inc.
2200 N. Greenville Ave., 1w
Richardson, TX 97502
Tower location: 42.327111 / -122.955250 (Central Point)

Many more in Jacksonville/Medford -- too numerous to list but same companies.

 

[Lilibet]

With the recent remarks by Ed Bandrupt and Kristen Conand this speaks to Stephanie's mood and what could have sparked an incident on the ride back home. That's been my theory - something got out of hand in the vehicle and she never made it back to Ruch, but her SUV was returned by Lonnie. He started the engine before midnight -- somewhere on a mountain off-road -- and returned it to her home in the hour after midnight. Maybe left on foot or just stayed at her home. In the many hours after the parade until early July 5 morn -- there must have been cell activity as the SUV moved... tower pings. Hopefully the cell tower companies along the route have been subpoenaed for that timeframe for his phone number and hers.

This makes sense as a possibility. We don't have any way of knowing for sure if son and dil rode with Stephanie and LA to and from the parade, but it would make sense if they had. If so, they were either dropped off before whatever took place....or....I'll just leave it at that.

 

[Neptune]

This makes sense as a possibility. We don't have any way of knowing for sure if son and dil rode with Stephanie and LA to and from the parade, but it would make sense if they had. If so, they were either dropped off before whatever took place....or....I'll just leave it at that.

IIRC, first account by Lonnie telling his story about the store he said "I".... so, from that, I thought of the incident in terms of just he and Stephanie. Now, if son and dil were either dropped off at store or they proceeded on in SUV with Stephanie to her home -- even stranger. Whole new set of possibilities.

Again, the teeny-tiny bit of info is tell-tale.

 

[mayelf]

Maybe the wolf thing is the connection why he calls his son "brother" and stephhhanie says "papa" to her bf.. sorry I'm on my cellphone.
Also when I googled "lone wolf" it came back as something related a a terrorist. Weird.

 

[OldSteve]

With the recent remarks by Ed Bandrupt and Kristen Conand this speaks to Stephanie's mood and what could have sparked an incident on the ride back home. That's been my theory - something got out of hand in the vehicle and she never made it back to Ruch, but her SUV was returned by Lonnie. He started the engine before midnight -- somewhere on a mountain off-road -- and returned it to her home in the hour after midnight. Maybe left on foot or just stayed at her home. In the many hours after the parade until early July 5 morn -- there must have been cell activity as the SUV moved... tower pings. Hopefully the cell tower companies along the route have been subpoenaed for that timeframe for his phone number and hers.

BBM - sadly, it sounds what happened. Considering time involved, she could be disposed of (don't like saying that) anywhere, and without a body I wonder if this case will stall...

 

[Lilibet]

BBM - sadly, it sounds what happened. Considering time involved, she could be disposed of (don't like saying that) anywhere, and without a body I wonder if this case will stall...

I really hope not, but I know what you mean. Someone close to POI must know or suspect something, or possibly have been involved during or after. My hope is that LE will put pressure on the weakest link.

 

[OUOTP]

Argh... this is a test. Posts not posting:

 

[OUOTP]

Hi, All! my name is Jennifer. I currently live in NYC. When Stephanie's missing flyer first appeared in my facebook news feed, I thought I knew her personally. I later learned I was mistaken--i do not know Stephanie personally. I do know Ryan, who posted above. Ryan loves Stephanie...I love Ryan... And, therefore, have remained interested.
I found this website for the first time while doing a google search for information on Stephanie and have been reading this thread daily since the start.
I would have joined earlier but I couldn't figure out how to do it with only a gmail acct and my email to admin my email to admin went unanswered and I couldn't figure out how to do it with only my gmail accts. Finally, it occurred to me to borrow my BF's work acct and here I am!
I appreciate all the great brain work everyone here has volunteered. I think you are all fabulous!

I have collected quite a bit of info I'd like to share with you and also have a couple of theories. It's a lot stuff and it's unorganized so it might take a few posts. Please bare with me.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/five_gold_miners_convicted_of.html

First off, as has been mentioned above, LOCATION is the most important part of the puzzle to be solved. The news link above is from 2 years ago. POI Lennie was convicted of unlawful habitation in In the Rogue River national forest. To me, this means he knows this particular area VERY well. I would hope LE has combed and or is combing the area in which he lived.


I haven't learned much more about POI Lennie except that he had property seized in Wyoming last year due to non payment of taxes. This and the living in the forest thing make me think he is probably pretty broke.

POI Lennie was also a competitive chess player on the National Circuit. From this, I surmise he is a calculating thinker.

 

[OUOTP]

Lets talk about HELIAS, Wolves, Stephanie's weight loss, her frame of mind and the schohol device in her car.
First, "Helias" is a type of butterfly. Stephanie's FB profile pic is a stock image of butterflies. I think this is all coincidence. Judging by the apocalyptic nature of 314helias/helias314 video's, I believe this HELIAS reference is to t the Ecclesiastical Latin spelling for the prophet Elijah. The Quaran uses the spelling "Ilias" and The King James Bible uses the spelling "Elias". Helias is a RARE spelling. Perhaps a scholar of religion can use this information to pinpoint the type of religion we are dealing with here.
As, I am willing to bet Stephanie's disappearance has something to do with religion.

Stephanie's frame of mindoes anyone know if Stephanie was trying to lose weight? She seems uncharacteristically skinny in the 4th of July video. I have learned through my research that dramatic weightloss goes hand in hand with cult life. I have also learned that short women have more dramatic results with minimal weight loss. Example: I am Stephanies age. I 5'11" and have been 40 pounds overweight for the past 10 years. Recently, I decided to start working out and have been eating little more than rabbit food., I have lost 15 pounds but I still wear the same dress size. When I posed this question of relativity to my shorter female friends they told me than if they lost the same amount of weight as me, their size would drop. So, maybe she didn't lose all that much weight. I'd really like to know the answer to this as I believe it would help piece together Stephanie's frame of mind before her disappearance.

Also, the alcohol device in her car: Was it the kind you can buy at the liquor store for personal use or the kind that is state mandated after a DUI? If it's the latter, Stephanie may have quit drinking which would also explain the weight loss. Also, was she attending AA meetings, perhaps? Many DUI programs mandate this. I've been to AA . This is a great place to meet people who can potentially go back drinking/drugging which can in turn release a whole lot of crazy on the people they met in the AA rooms.

 

[OUOTP]

Wolves are symbolic of warriors. LONE Wolf can be a KKK reference. Although I somehow doubt we are dealing with white supremacists, I thought I'd throw that out there. I'd like to continue but could someone tell me if public posts on Stephanie's FB profile can be discussed regardless of who posted them?

 

[OUOTP]

I think that's just about enough for now. Just so you all know, my theories revolve around Stephanie being found. I believe she's alive. I believe she got caught up in some type of religious cult movement. I'm just not sure which one. Just last night I asked a recording engineer friend to analyse one or a few of the helias314 video's for hidden messages. I will let you all know what he has found out. Also, I hope LE is doing the same.

Lastly, one thing that's bothered me the whole time: Stephanie said she was married but never said to whom. we all just assumed Lennie the POI. There were no pictures. It was said to be a spiritual union. Catholic nuns marry God. What about the devoted in Stephanie's religious sphere. is it possible she did something along those lines?