GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #3

[possumheart]

So, WHEN THEY LEARNED WHITNEY WAS MISSING, did either Mrs. Holt, or JH, or both go ask Clint Heichel if there was “something we could do to help in this crisis”? Did they make themselves available to Clint? Did they drop off food? Did either make it known to Whitney’s family that they were concerned for her?

Later on Tuesday afternoon, when JH arrived home, his wife would learn he no longer had his cell phone.

It is my hope that – given all these facts – Mrs. Holt had the courage to call law enforcement with her suspicion and that is where they got their lead on Holt.

If I was Mrs Holt and somebody so close was missing I don't think I would want to be alone in the apartment. However JH went and talked to the police voluntarily three times, so perhaps that was 'doing something to help' in his wife's eyes

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

These things don't add up:

1. Court doc says 40000 to 41000 block of SE Thomas Rd Sandy OR. All driveways appear to be gated and locked. So where did the incident(s) occur?

2. On Tuesday, JH's wife had to know these facts:

• Whitney -- Mrs. Holt's Facebook friend, neighbor, and the person who waters her plants and feeds her cat when she's gone -- is missing. Police are looking for her.
• It was reported in MSM and on Whitney's poster that a man was spotted driving her SUV but that man was not Clint Heichel.
  

Along with these facts about the Holts and Heichels:

• Live in the same complex although not in the same building.
• Were followers of the same religion (attended the same congregation?)
• Both were married in a ceremony in a building belonging to their religion.
• The Holts selected the Heichels to water their plants and feed their cats even though other neighbors were closer in proximity.

So, WHEN THEY LEARNED WHITNEY WAS MISSING, did either Mrs. Holt, or JH, or both go ask Clint Heichel if there was “something we could do to help in this crisis”? Did they make themselves available to Clint? Did they drop off food? Did either make it known to Whitney’s family that they were concerned for her?

It appears from news footage the Holts may have small children because the patio has a child table with motorcycle helmets on it. If Mrs. Holt was at home on the morning of Oct 16 (taking care of the children?), did she also notice:

• JH was unaccounted for during the timeframe Whitney went missing.
• That his motorcycle and helmet were still there, but he was gone.

Later on Tuesday afternoon, when JH arrived home, his wife would learn he no longer had his cell phone.

It is my hope that – given all these facts – Mrs. Holt had the courage to call law enforcement with her suspicion and that is where they got their lead on Holt.

Some good questions raised. Also interesting to note that the day of the abduction (Tuesday) was Clint's day off work; was there a witnessed accounting of where he was prior to his phone call alerting the police? *Again, not intending to 'blame the victim', but simply be objective and cover all bases...

 

[msthinksalot]

Actually, his confession doesn't prove he did it. Though it will likely get him a guilty verdict. (There have been many, many false confessions for whatever reason down through the decades.)

I think it's highly likely he will plea out. They are appointing him an attorney, and even if he decides to plea out and make a deal, they still have to go through the process of formally charging him, etc.

IMO, having spent 6 years working as a legal assistant - 2 of those working for a criminal defense attorney - if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, yadda yadda. He had intimate knowledge of the crimes and he told them where everything happened. The only way an attorney could get him off at this point is if they were able to form a convincing argument that his confession was obtained under duress. But that still doesn't explain how he knew the intimate details of the crimes. MOO, IMO, JMO.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I think it's highly likely he will plea out. They are appointing him an attorney, and even if he decides to plea out and make a deal, they still have to go through the process of formally charging him, etc.

IMO, having spent 6 years working as a legal assistant - 2 of those working for a criminal defense attorney - if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, yadda yadda. He had intimate knowledge of the crimes and he told them where everything happened. The only way an attorney could get him off at this point is if they were able to form a convincing argument that his confession was obtained under duress. But that still doesn't explain how he knew the intimate details of the crimes. MOO, IMO, JMO.

I'm thinking he was present, too, to know so many details; but could it be possible that he did not act alone?

 

[gwenabob]

I'm thinking he was present, too, to know so many details; but could it be possible that he did not act alone?

In my opinion, not likely. He hasn't been in trouble before, and doesn't seem hard core at all. Not hard core enough to protect some other guy. I believe if someone else had been involved, he would have told LE.

 

[ByTheSea]

I feel bad for his wife, too. She's a victim in this - not in the same way, of course, but still a victim. This guy destroyed so many lives...including hers.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Just so you know, I saw the question (or possibly one similar) on facebook & answered it myself. So, no cover-up. It is not my facebook page. I am not sure who made the page, it could have even been a co-worker at Starbucks. It is not a "JW" page. I am sure it was, however, someone very concerned with her disappearance and wanted to get the word out.

The page I'm referring to was the one referred to by the commenter I_Miss on this page: http://www.katu.com/news/local/Neighbors-never-saw-Holt-Heichel-together-175099421.html#comments (scroll about two inches down):

"I asked on the find whitney FB page if they attended church together. The witness that runs that page removed my question."...

Sounds like it was a "Find Whitney" Facebook page. There was probably more than one page; perhaps your answer was to a question on another?

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

In my opinion, not likely. He hasn't been in trouble before, and doesn't seem hard core at all. Not hard core enough to protect some other guy. I believe if someone else had been involved, he would have told LE.

Yes...unless he was protecting someone by not implicating someone else... I agree he doesn't seem hard core at all.

 

[msthinksalot]

Yes...unless he was protecting someone by not implicating someone else... I agree he doesn't seem hard core at all.

I don't understand... to what end, exactly? Why do you think this? What could he possibly be covering up? Conspiracies do happen, people can have sinister motives, but this isn't an episode of Law & Order. I've found in real life, motivations for committing a crime tend to be downright banal.

 

[CaringCitizen]

I think it's highly likely he will plea out. They are appointing him an attorney, and even if he decides to plea out and make a deal, they still have to go through the process of formally charging him, etc.

IMO, having spent 6 years working as a legal assistant - 2 of those working for a criminal defense attorney - if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, yadda yadda. He had intimate knowledge of the crimes and he told them where everything happened. The only way an attorney could get him off at this point is if they were able to form a convincing argument that his confession was obtained under duress. But that still doesn't explain how he knew the intimate details of the crimes. MOO, IMO, JMO.

I know. I'm not clear on why some think now that Clint was involved in the crime. I agree with gwenabob - Jonathan acted alone. And that means Clint was not involved.

Why anyone would defend Holt as being innocent at this point is beyond me. We even have solid proof that he has a pattern of stalking/peeping - and probably a lot more than we know or that has ever been documented before. Jonathan is a scary, scary human.

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[LinasK]

I am going to force my DD to read about this case. I have been trying to explain to her, now that she and her girlfriends have their own apt, that just because someone is a 'neighbor' or a maintenance man, it does not mean they are safe to hang out with alone. People are nuts and she needs to be more cautious.

Whitney knew this guy and he was married and a friend of her husbands and she was friends with his wife. So she probably had no reason to believe he would do her harm. What I told my daughter, was that if a neighbor suddenly pops up and asks for a ride, then right in front of them you should call your boyfriend and./or roomie and say out loud, ' Oh by the way, I am giving so and so a ride so I may be a little later...'

At least it lets the neighbor know that others are aware he is getting in her car. Would that have deterred him? I don't know. But we need to start being more proactive about these horrible perps.

I agree- Cary Stayner was the maintenance man at the motel where he killed 3 women- mother and two young girls, who let him into their room to "do repairs".
Also, when I was approached to model by a photographer (suspected serial killer), he backed out when I insisted my boyfriend was coming along for the shoot!

 

[Neptune]

Some good questions raised. Also interesting to note that the day of the abduction (Tuesday) was Clint's day off work; was there a witnessed accounting of where he was prior to his phone call alerting the police? *Again, not intending to 'blame the victim', but simply be objective and cover all bases...

My understanding from Whitney's Facebook is that Clint had the flu (or was recovering).

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I don't understand... to what end, exactly? Why do you think this? What could he possibly be covering up? Conspiracies do happen, people can have sinister motives, but this isn't an episode of Law & Order. I've found in real life, motivations for committing a crime tend to be downright banal.

Would you believe I've never watched Law & Order? ;-) I do read a lot, though. I've found in real life, sometimes motivations are more complex than the banal, easy conclusions we sometimes assume early on. Sometimes they're banal, too...but this case just seems too 'off' to me for reasons all ready stated up thread. Maybe it'll seem less 'off' as questions start getting answered, though.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

My understanding from Whitney's Facebook is that Clint had the flu (or was recovering).

That would make sense. I'd read that he had 'off work'...so could be due to illness rather than a regular day off.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I know. I'm not clear on why some think now that Clint was involved in the crime. I agree with gwenabob - Jonathan acted alone. And that means Clint was not involved.

Why anyone would defend Holt as being innocent at this point is beyond me. We even have solid proof that he has a pattern of stalking/peeping - and probably a lot more than we know or that has ever been documented before. Jonathan is a scary, scary human.

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Do some now think Clint was involved? I'd thought the police had ruled him out somehow.

 

[Neptune]

If I was Mrs Holt and somebody so close was missing I don't think I would want to be alone in the apartment. However JH went and talked to the police voluntarily three times, so perhaps that was 'doing something to help' in his wife's eyes

The word "voluntarily" is used when law enforcement asks them to come in and they comply. They do this before going to the trouble of getting warrants, etc. I'm pretty sure they called him -- he didn't just commit a serious crime, take a life, discard all the evidence he could think of, hide his gun, go home, get cleaned up, lie to his wife and then decide "hey, I think I'll now go chat it up with the local police -- see what they know". And do this 3 times. No, "voluntarily" is a euphemism for "or else".

 

[ingra1327]

Do some now think Clint was involved? I'd thought the police had ruled him out somehow.

No, nobody said they think Clint is involved. He isn't involved. JH confessed and told his story to LE, now they will put the truth together using his story and the evidence. Maybe he will plea out and a trial can be avoided. Hopefully, Clint will get support and privacy so he can grieve and begin to heal.

jmo

 

[pixel.graphics]

A thought as to why she was shot 4 times- possibly to make her less identifiable?

 

[bellaalex]

Some good questions raised. Also interesting to note that the day of the abduction (Tuesday) was Clint's day off work; was there a witnessed accounting of where he was prior to his phone call alerting the police? *Again, not intending to 'blame the victim', but simply be objective and cover all bases...

Clint went to the hospital and to Whitney's mothers house before calling 911. This would have taken some time and explains the short time delay in calling. I would immediately assume as well that my spouse had been in an accident as opposed to kidnapped, raped and murdered.

 

[surrogatemom]

A thought as to why she was shot 4 times- possibly to make her less identifiable?

As horrible as it is to think about.. I think he did it once, and then three more times out of anger. Anger with himself for what he did, anger with her (for no good reason really, but in his mind, he was angry with her). :-/