GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4

[Knox]

Child . :furious:

Did we ever find out if he has children?

 

[Neptune]

I still guess that the murder was committed very shortly after the abduction, and that he then immediately drove to Larch Mtn, then back to Gresham where he got the gas and/or used the ATM card at 9:14am. I know the police report indicates the 8:40am as the time of the incident, but I can't figure how that could be. It's 15 minutes from the apartment to Thomas Rd. I doubt they sat around and talked for an hour and 40 minutes. I can't imagine the assault and murder took more than 30 minutes max. If so, that would be ~7:30am. That seems to synch with the the drive to Larch Mtn and back to the gas station at Stark/257th at 9:14am.

Then again, I could be completely wrong.

The reasons why I don't believe this order is correct is because:
The crime was committed at 8:40am on SE Thomas Rd./Roslyn Lake and Holt was confirmed to be at the Shell Station (25737 SE Stark St Troutdale) 14 miles away and 34 minutes later. That's actually possible for him to have done that -- but it would mean that he rather hurriedly loaded her into the SUV, or he left her and returned to SE Thomas before driving up Larch Mtn.

So, SE Thomas to Lusted to SE Powell Valley Rd, then North on 257th (Shell).

If Clint's account of 2-3 consecutive gas transactions is correct - and I'm apt to believe it is (LE doesn't confirm every bit of correct info) there would be no reason for Holt to get gas at several stations if he was just going to ditch the SUV minutes later at Walmart. In my opinion, he was at SE Thomas/Rosyln Lake and realized he didn't have enough gas to make it up Larch Mountain. He went back to Gresham, specifically to gas up before heading up the mountain.... and that's where I'm stuck still sleuthing.

 

[Knox]

geez louise he hid one of the guns in the police parking lot? Am I reading that right?

what a dope.

While there, investigators wrote that a deputy “saw Jonathan Holt kneel down next to tall grass planted in an island in the parking lot.

Why not ditch or hide it before he went to the police station? Did he forget he had it with him? I thought he drove a motorcycle, was this his wife's car?

 

[recyclops]

Re: the discussion around how the family/friends/community searchers were able to find so much of the evidence:

It was reported by the local tv stations early in Whitney's disappearance (maybe Wednesday morning?) that the Ritmiller/Heichel families had hired a private investigator.

Because of that fact I've just assumed that the PI was coordinating the private search efforts and possibly was working with LE on tips that had been called in.

I think someone had to have heard those gunshots and called in to the tip line. This story was on the news so fast last Tuesday, once she was reported missing, that it would have been fresh in a person's memory if they lived in that area and heard something.

Just my opinion of course.

I just want to add that katu.com has article stating "Church member Bob Weaver coordinated the search. He was a Portland firefighter for nearly 30 years and a para-rescueman in the Air Force Reserve."
I imagine if you have 60 carloads of people that are used to systematically covering territories for preaching that those skills would be put to use in a most efficient manner if the search is spearheaded by someone with those credentials...
here's the link;
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Sear...-first-clue-found-by-searchers-175893161.html

 

[recyclops]

Ugh and now JH admits to having child ...
first class creeper

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Thank you for this timeline, PoirotryInMotion -- you and I have similar methods because my timeline matches yours nearly exactly.

The only thing I see as incorrect is that the confirmed 9:14am Shell station is actually at 257th and Stark (which on the Internet is considered a Troutdale location – however it is not a truck stop). If you use Google Earth, it's 45°31'9.83"N 122°23'52.97"W or 25737 SE Stark St Troutdale. The “truck stop” gas stations are located along I-84 to service trucks on Portland-Gorge routes. Troutdale is a key place to gas-up before heading into the Gorge.



I also got the Shell details wrong originally -- but a fellow sleuther corrected my info. So:

• Shell station 257th& Stark – 9:14am & ATM used (confirmed by LE)
• Troutdale truck stop unknown location – mentioned on WH missing person poster, timeframe within about 16 minutes after Shell station according to original reports by Clint Heichel who said 2 or 3 transactions at gas stations about 8 minutes apart consecutively (not confirmed by LE)

The Troutdale station is mentioned on the missing persons poster: "A family member said several transactions were made on Heichel's debit card, including at ATM machines and 3 different gas stations. They said that gas station attendants at one of those locations, a truck stop in Troutdale, remembered seeing her SUV and said Heichel as sitting in the passenger seat with a man driving. They said that the man was acting suspicious and hurried, buying only a small amount of gas."
Source: www.facebook.com/missingcases

Thanks, Neptune!

It was fun to see another person who keeps track of all the tidbits the way I do. But yes, the gas station tidbits were so confusing I had to actually keep a file of all the comments I came across to try to sort them out.

I got that the Shell Station that LE verified was in Troutdale from a local poster on here (screenshot of their post)...and from the picture it sure didn't look like much...not really big enough to be a truckstop. I wasn't sure how many of the other unnamed stations (and unverified by LE) were also in Troutdale.

 

[La Louve]

I just want to add that katu.com has article stating "Church member Bob Weaver coordinated the search. He was a Portland firefighter for nearly 30 years and a para-rescueman in the Air Force Reserve."
I imagine if you have 60 carloads of people that are used to systematically covering territories for preaching that those skills would be put to use in a most efficient manner if the search is spearheaded by someone with those credentials...
here's the link;
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Sear...-first-clue-found-by-searchers-175893161.html

thanks, I agree they had a perfect combo of feet on the ground and know-how to go about searching. I wonder if Weaver is the same individual that was named as a 'private investigator' in some of the early reports.

 

[La Louve]

Why not ditch or hide it before he went to the police station? Did he forget he had it with him? I thought he drove a motorcycle, was this his wife's car?

Great questions. And also: Why did he ditch two guns? Did he shoot Whitney with both of them? Had he used one of the guns in a different crime? Could he not remember which was which?

 

[Boodles]

Duh. So he hides one gun at his place of employment, and the other in the grass when he arrives at the police station!

What a flipping idiot.

And I knew he was a freak. Didn't guess it was child, tho.

Why no plea yet? He can't decide?? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

 

[Knox]

Sounds like the search Warrant docs were released, hopefully we will see a link soon.

Aimee Green ‏@o_aimee Holt indicted: Holt walked up to doors of Gresham PD, threw hands in air, "ripped" off his glasses, went to his car, then walked into PD.

It sounds like Holt was unraveling, thankful no one else was hurt before he could be arrested.

 

[Neptune]

Does anyone know if Holt was charged with first or second degree Abuse of Corpse? (Below bolded by me -- I think this may be the charge)

Source: http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/166.html
Oregon Revised Statutes: Abuse of Corpse

166.085 Abuse of corpse in the second degree. (1) A person commits the crime of abuse of corpse in the second degree if, except as otherwise authorized by law, the person intentionally:
(a) Abuses a corpse; or
(b) Disinters, removes or carries away a corpse.
(2) Abuse of corpse in the second degree is a Class C felony.
(3) As used in this section and ORS 166.087, “abuse of corpse” includes treatment of a corpse by any person in a manner not recognized by generally accepted standards of the community or treatment by a professional person in a manner not generally accepted as suitable practice by other members of the profession, as may be defined by rules applicable to the profession. [1971 c.743 §225; 1985 c.207 §2; 1993 c.294 §1]

166.087 Abuse of corpse in the first degree. (1) A person commits the crime of abuse of corpse in the first degree if the person:
(a) Engages in sexual activity with a corpse or involving a corpse; or
(b) Dismembers, mutilates, cuts or strikes a corpse.
(2) Abuse of corpse in the first degree is a Class B felony. [1993 c.294 §2]

 

[recyclops]

Sounds like the search Warrant docs were released, hopefully we will see a link soon.
It sounds like Holt was unraveling, thankful no one else was hurt before he could be arrested.

I'm guessing he was under pretty heavy surveillance prior to his arrest. So I doubt the public was in danger.

 

[Boodles]

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The reasons why I don't believe this order is correct is because:
The crime was committed at 8:40am on SE Thomas Rd./Roslyn Lake and Holt was confirmed to be at the Shell Station (25737 SE Stark St Troutdale) 14 miles away and 34 minutes later. That's actually possible for him to have done that -- but it would mean that he rather hurriedly loaded her into the SUV, or he left her and returned to SE Thomas before driving up Larch Mtn.

So, SE Thomas to Lusted to SE Powell Valley Rd, then North on 257th (Shell).

If Clint's account of 2-3 consecutive gas transactions is correct - and I'm apt to believe it is (LE doesn't confirm every bit of correct info) there would be no reason for Holt to get gas at several stations if he was just going to ditch the SUV minutes later at Walmart. In my opinion, he was at SE Thomas/Rosyln Lake and realized he didn't have enough gas to make it up Larch Mountain. He went back to Gresham, specifically to gas up before heading up the mountain.... and that's where I'm stuck still sleuthing.

The timeline is quirky any way you try to slice it, IMO. But my thought is that 8:40 is not correct. What took so much time between 6:45 and 9:15? It seems there is too much time to account for unless he went straight to LM. I guess they could have been driving around, but wth for (not that any of this makes sense!)?

Also, we don't know for sure that he bought gas at any or multiple places, just that he used ATMs, IIRC. LE hasn't confirmed actual gas pumping, have they? I do believe he bought gas once, but that's just what I surmise.

And if you're correct about getting gas first at 9:15ish, then he had to have been driving around with a body in the car during rush hour in a congested area. That would be so stupid.

But then again, look where he ditched the guns, so it could be!

 

[Knox]

http://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=#whitneyheichel&src=typd

I'm not a Tweeter, can someone report this person @BodyWhitney?
Assuming you can do something similar to facebook.

 

[Bravo]

Child . :furious:

Did we ever find out if he has children?

Jaysuz:furious: so we know of a peeping incident. Then poor Whitney. 2 guns and now child :banghead: What the Sam Hay else dont we know. Sure hope they didn't have children. Just bouncing off your post. Oh and yes we know of a 12 hr. disappearance with a rented buds car due to a mental breakdown. Ya right. This just keeps getting worse. Am i surprised? No.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Re: the discussion around how the family/friends/community searchers were able to find so much of the evidence:

It was reported by the local tv stations early in Whitney's disappearance (maybe Wednesday morning?) that the Ritmiller/Heichel families had hired a private investigator.

Because of that fact I've just assumed that the PI was coordinating the private search efforts and possibly was working with LE on tips that had been called in.

I think someone had to have heard those gunshots and called in to the tip line. This story was on the news so fast last Tuesday, once she was reported missing, that it would have been fresh in a person's memory if they lived in that area and heard something.

Just my opinion of course.

I don't see how they would've had time to hire a PI, frankly. Nor did they need to--all the search and organizing by the church/family groups barely gave LE a chance to get any investigating done, for goodness sake. Clint called 911 at about 10 AM, the car and evidence in the dumpsters followed 1-1.5 hours later, and by wee hours of the next morning, the family/church search parties had found her sweater, the various Park evidence items, and LE was interviewing the suspect later that day (after getting a tip). The LE barely had to time respond quickly enough to all the scenes and evidence coming their way.

You'd have to make an appointment to hire a PI, make an initial deposit. By the time the PI was on the case all the evidence would've been in. Virtually nothing left to find except the weapon and body, which information we are now hearing was also virtually 'given' to LE. Not just a confession, but now we hear they were also told where to find the body--when previous reports made it sound like the result of a search. And the perp dropping the gun--oh, now it's two guns--one on police property behind a bush?? Of course, this is exactly what someone with a GPA of 3.35 is likely to do... (Com' on. Are there any more bases to cover, over-abundantly, here?)

A major, heinous crime, with a plethora of evidence (little to none of which was actually found by LE), a suspect and confession, the body and the weapon(s)...all in less than a week. This is sounding stranger with every new report. Pardon me, but my hinky-meter is now over the top. Too much, too fast.

 

[Melancholy]

http://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=#whitneyheichel&src=typd

I'm not a Tweeter, can someone report this person @BodyWhitney?
Assuming you can do something similar to facebook.

people are so sick and depraved

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

http://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=#whitneyheichel&src=typd

I'm not a Tweeter, can someone report this person @BodyWhitney?
Assuming you can do something similar to facebook.

Utterly tasteless. I just reported it (Twitter).

 

[recyclops]

This link says JH put in a plea of "not guilty" yet I can't find it in the other news articles...http://www.kptv.com/story/19924889/whitney-heichel-murder-suspect-due-in-court-today
anyone else see a "not guilty" plea anywhere else?

 

[Neptune]

The timeline is quirky any way you try to slice it, IMO. But my thought is that 8:40 is not correct. What took so much time between 6:45 and 9:15? It seems there is too much time to account for unless he went straight to LM. I guess they could have been driving around, but wth for (not that any of this makes sense!)? And if you're correct about getting gas first at 9:15ish, then he had to have been driving around with a body in the car during rush hour in a congested area. That would be so stupid.

Also, we don't know for sure that he bought gas at any or multiple places, just that he used ATMs, IIRC. LE hasn't confirmed actual gas pumping, have they? I do believe he bought gas once, but that's just what I surmise.

But then again, look where he ditched the guns, so it could be!

If you'll look at my previous post, I looked up Oregon Revised Statutes on abuse of a corpse so I may have answered my own question -- the 8:40am crime may indicate the time Holt loaded her body into the SUV with the intention of disposing her. Which would mean the other crimes were committed, and she expired, prior to 8:40am.

Also, it has not been confirmed by LE that Holt went to several gas stations, but early on Clint Heichel reported that his bank records indicated there were multiple trips to gas stations about 8 minutes apart which he thought was odd.