johncharles360
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Very awful sick tragedy, but very happy Perp has been caught.
Or maybe he had a similar phone to hers and he tossed it thinking it was hers. He then realizes it is hers when Clint starts calling and texting. Maybe he has it in his pocket the whole time and he's walking past the Troutdale apartments when he realizes this and just tosses it into the woods.
Excellent first post. I agree with every word you said.
I also thought that he saw someone in the parking lot of the BestBuy (where his friend was shopping inside) and he decided quite rashly to act on his impulse to hop into the driver's seat and do something.
If he was successful in doing something, there *might* be a record of it on or around August 2011 or he may have failed in his attempt. He was gone long enough for the friend (who rented the car) to report it and for Jonathan's wife to be questioned about his whereabouts. He was gone long enough to do something or come close to doing something. It was just one step closer to the kind of thing he would eventually do to Whitney Heichel.
The former neighbor's wife that Jonathan spied on at balcony level was very lucky.
Yes, I'm sure many of us are...as well as LE. He said that he went to a park in Washington close to where he grew up....
I don't know, i'ts reported that women can occasionally have orgasms even while being raped. Sometimes it's purely a physical thing regarding being to "perform".
Also thought what if she bit him and that caused a rageful experience and he shot her.
We have one of those in our neighborhood. He tried to get on with the City and County, finally settled for ASH (state mental facility, go figure). He loves to play traffic cop with folks driving by his house, lol. I force myself to make brief polite chit-chat in gatherings, then beat feet away from him. Hubby feels exactly the same![]()
I wonder if this how people felt about Holt? Was he socially awkward?
Hmmm I don't know if I think that is the same. Arousal causing action is very different than a physical response to circumstances. He wouldn't have WANTED it in the first place if there wasn't arousal on his part.
Yes!!! I have thought this too!
For those looking for info on place of crime
Sorry, but I only work in Google Earth for finding places because I make extensive notes with pins (not public). In Google Earth, you can plug in 45°25'5.55"N 122°14'41.56"W and it will take you to the place listed on the Probable Cause document. Rosyln Lake is supposed to be just North of this road (abutting it), but on Google it doesn't show a lake I understand from another poster that the lake is gone. (So wheres JHs phone?)
He grew up on NE Portland (Parkrose) though...I mean I guess he might have lived in Washington before that, but it sounds like they moved into that little house in NE when he was very young. I wonder if he fibbed to his friend. He could be (pure speculation) a pathological liar who is just in the habit of spinning tale on tale on tale even when it isn't necessary. They are often oblivious to the fact that their stories are too elaborate or don't quite add up, I have noticed. That could explain his constantly changing story to the police even as he kept volunteering to come back for another interview.
Well, he also held a job as a head cashier--a position that indicates trust and responsibility by employers.
(*sigh* I feel with many of my posts on here that it might seem I'm communicating support for him,--but I'm not one to support a perp who'd do this sort of crime. Fact is, I'm only trying to dig at truth, and separate it from speculation in the process of trying to figure this all out...I'm really sorry if that is a problem with anyone. :-/ )
His wife probably wanted her marriage to work more than anything. Most try there best working out realtionship or marriage in a 1st relationship (not sure this was her 1st) I believe she probably knows alot about Holt and is looking back at everything and questioning it. I'm sure alot went on behind closed doors, with his behavior and ways. He probably controlled and manipulated his wife and lied often to her. I don' think Holt is who she thought he was when she married him and then maybe she felt trap and thought she could change him to be a better person.
I may be wrong, but I swear I remember reading somewhere in the news that he'd gone to Washington Park... ? Does anyone else remember that, or was it my eyes misreading "a park in Washington"?
I wonder if he couldn't pass the screening tests or interviews as an EMT despite having the license, honestly. MAkes me think of how often you find that a violent man had previously been rejected from the police or army because of his mental problems or odd behavior.
I don't know if that could be possible due to the fact that it takes over 40 minutes without any traffic to get from their apartment complex (Heatherwood Apartments) to his work (Canteen Vending Services). Considering she was leaving only 15 minutes before 7am when she was scheduled, this would have been impossible for her to do for him without letting her employer know she was going to be significantly late. She would've had to have called her employer before that 5 minutes later when JH supposedly pulled the gun on her.
Map from the apartments to his work:
http://goo.gl/maps/2C8mr
This is interesting:
Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Reports suggest Holt took friend to look at home he and wife were looking to rent in 2011. Wife later told police she knew nothing about it
https://twitter.com/KyleIboshi