GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4

[peace9274]

Question: did Clint have a job, or was he between jobs? It was mentioned in the news that Holt's place of employment made condolence statements, but I don't remember reading about any from Clint's workplace.

BBM

According to the affidavit, Clint works at another apartment complex.
It didn't say what his job description is or what it entails.

 

[AvalonBlue]

I still have not heard/seen/read if JH and AH have a child/children. I hope that they do not -- for many reasons. I do remember a reference to a picture with kids' outdoor furniture on their patio; however there has not been any further info I've seen on this.

My heart just aches for AH. I hope she can heal and move forward.

My heart also aches for CH, and I wish all the best for him.

Even with all the information released there are still so many questions -- and such pain. I totally admire how the family has been handling all of this. My thoughts and prayers are with all of them and with AH.

 

[msthinksalot]

I was struck by his description of the men who supposedly "robbed him" at gunpoint. He said that one of them "reminded him of a boy he went to school with named Anthony"...

Where did that kind of random attention to detail come from?

(Snipped by me)

Well, we know he made that bit up, so I think he was under pressure to describe a black person that who did not exist. I think he panicked, so he was trying to think of facial details/physical characteristics of the only black people he knew, as the African American population in Oregon is quite small.

 

[eyes2lookatu]

I still have not heard/seen/read if JH and AH have a child/children. I hope that they do not -- for many reasons. I do remember a reference to a picture with kids' outdoor furniture on their patio; however there has not been any further info I've seen on this.

My heart just aches for AH. I hope she can heal and move forward.

My heart also aches for CH, and I wish all the best for him.

Even with all the information released there are still so many questions -- and such pain. I totally admire how the family has been handling all of this. My thoughts and prayers are with all of them and with AH.

It is my understanding that they do NOT have children... I have never seen anything posted in MSM about children. Additionally, a co-worker of mine knows AH, JH, CH, and WH and confirmed that Amanda does not have children.

 

[Desdemona]

Sadly, I disagree. Though many of this forum are seeming eager that it appear so. It looks like someone is taking great pains to try to supply some 'solid evidence' for this case, but when looked at closely, it's really not. In fact, it's absurd.

Eg. - the Febreze bottle found in the car where they were able to lift 'a fingerprint'...

I'm sorry, but a guy with a car full of blood and brain matter from multiple gunshot wounds is NOT going to try to clean it up with a bottle of household Febreze. That would be laughable if this case weren't so tragic. Even if he's a moron, as many of you seem to think he is. Think about it--where did this clean up happen?

• Did he go into Walmart and buy that bottle, come back out and try to clean it up? I presume this happened in the parking lot? (is it on video that he bought it at Walmart? that the guy was messing around in the back seat of the car?) NO? Then where else?

• On the road, while driving to all those gas stations and ATM machines? Sound feasible to anyone on here?

• In the woods? (Okay, so he planned ahead, grabbing bottle from home before he left? So...this so-called idiot has now planned thoroughly enough to take for this abduction/murder a bottle of Febreze, not 1 but 2 guns to kill an unarmed, unsuspecting, 5'2", 120-lb. young woman, and a screwdriver so that he can thoughtfully drop the front license plate off in the mountain to lead searchers to his victim.)

(BTW, if it IS a bottle from home, there's another--actually far more believable--reason the bottle has his fingerprints on it, and it's not necessarily MURDER. Maybe he actually did some chores?)

*Expect to see an amended pdf out in the next couple of days to answer these and other questions. We'll probably also discover he's killed cats as a youth, poisoned his mother, and sold secrets to foreign intelligence.

I believe there was more than one perp involved in this, I know there has been untruthful accounting, and I look forward to watching this case unravel in the days ahead.

Disagree with the characterization of most of the WS members following this case. I think many here are eagerly watching for solid evidence against the killer so that there can be justice -- not that they are eager for it to appear as if there were solid evidence. Big difference IMO.

"Absurd" is an opinion, not a fact. My opinion is that it would be absurd to suggest that LE is documenting and reporting evidence for any other reason than to accurately and diligently do their job in this case.

Although I could concede a remote (IMO unlikely based on what we know at this point) possibility of someone having helped Holt, I definitely have not seen any indication at all at this point to suggest an accomplice.

When you say there has been untruthful accounting, to what are you referring, and how do you "know" this? Untruthful accounting on whose part? Or do you mean the lame lies that Holt has told to cover up the crime? Asking for clarification on this because I found it puzzling, but please don't feel obligated to explain; we're all entitled to our own opinions.

I am curious as to the prediction that this case against Holt will unravel, and puzzled as to why this would be a hoped-for outcome. Again, no explanation is necessary, but I certainly didn't get this. Perhaps I've misunderstood the meaning.

Disagree with the characterizations of Holt's behavior/actions and the significance of the Febreze can. I can think of several explanations for the Febreze. One of which could have been that it was already present in Whitney's car, along with the linen tablecloths for the upcoming wedding... or even that Holt used it on his own clothing at some point while cleaning up the evidence... among other possibilities.

If it has nothing to do with Holt, and the idea of him having used Febreze is ridiculous, another question might be: Why would LE falsify evidence to make it appear that he did? Please forgive me if I'm misunderstanding the point.

JMO

 

[AvalonBlue]

It is my understanding that they do NOT have children... I have never seen anything posted in MSM about children. Additionally, a co-worker of mine knows AH, JH, CH, and WH and confirmed that Amanda does not have children.

I am so glad to hear this and really appreciate you responding to my post.
Thank you!

 

[Desdemona]

I think the call might have been made by Whitney to Starbucks...a call for help. (Yes, that early.) I also believe that could have prompted the angry tossing of the phone into the lake.

Based on the known facts, Whitney was still home at this time. It is much more likely that she simply called work that morning, to check on her start time or some other normal contact. I'm sure LE have already figured out who was called at Starbucks, and what the purpose was.

I've seen/heard nothing that indicates she was threatened or abducted earlier than the time she left the apartment to head for work. Her husband has stated she woke him to say she was leaving. LE believe her husband's account. He is not a suspect IMO. Besides, why would one assume that a woman whose life is in danger would call her workplace for help?

JMO, and everyone is entitled to their own of course.


ETA: Argh. This reply was based on the confused notion that the call was made from Whitney's phone, when in fact it was not. It came from Clint's stolen phone, which was in the possession of the accused killer.

 

[Desdemona]

It would have had her fingerprints on it.

*If* the can of Febreze was Whitney's it might have had her fingerprints on it, and maybe not.

IMO the doc mentions his fingerprint found on the can; it doesn't say hers were not on the can.

And... if the can were purchased or obtained by him after she was killed and/or her body was dumped on Larch Mountain, well... her prints wouldn't likely be on it then.

JMO

 

[nikb]

I still have not heard/seen/read if JH and AH have a child/children. I hope that they do not -- for many reasons. I do remember a reference to a picture with kids' outdoor furniture on their patio; however there has not been any further info I've seen on this.

My heart just aches for AH. I hope she can heal and move forward.

My heart also aches for CH, and I wish all the best for him.

Even with all the information released there are still so many questions -- and such pain. I totally admire how the family has been handling all of this. My thoughts and prayers are with all of them and with AH.

I don't even want to let my mind go there, but I've heard/read several times that there was toddler-sized furniture on JH and AH's patio or easily visible in their apartment. I've again heard/read that as the explanation that they probably had kids or at least one child. After reading about JH's child charges? Yikes. I don't know what's true or isn't, it just freaked me out. If they don't have kids but have kiddie type stuff like toys or furniture in their house, yikes. (this is nothing against AH!!) I could see where one of them was hoping for a baby and the other might've been doing horrible things TO other children without him being a father to them. I guess it's a good thing I can't think llike what seems to me to be a psycho killer... but wow I have a hard time wrapping my mind around most of this.

 

[nikb]

Based on the known facts, Whitney was still home at this time. It is much more likely that she simply called work that morning, to check on her start time or some other normal contact. I'm sure LE have already figured out who was called at Starbucks, and what the purpose was.

I've seen/heard nothing that indicates she was threatened or abducted earlier than the time she left the apartment to head for work. Her husband has stated she woke him to say she was leaving. LE believe her husband's account. He is not a suspect IMO. Besides, why would one assume that a woman whose life is in danger would call her workplace for help?

JMO, and everyone is entitled to their own of course.

BBM but I really agree. If I happened to have a number pre-programmed into my phone or it was the last number I called, then yes maybe I'd call work. Otherwise it's my hubby or 911. IMO Whitney was probably not just home but maybe even asleep at this time. Does make a huge possible difference in the timeline, though.

 

[newsjunkie]

I've been thinking about the sporadic disposal of items, the driving all over, the poor clean up, the random gun disposal....

It's like he didn't think it through. But if he'd been planning this for months, why not figure out a better plan? Why not have Whitney call in sick when he first grabbed her? Then they wouldn't have called Clint looking for her. Why not file a police report the day before and report all his guns and electronics stolen?

So maybe he didn't intend to kill her. I wonder if his plan was just sexual assault. Then she possibly refused, or bit him and out of anger shot her while still in the vehicle and his plan went to crap. All his work seems like he was in a panic.

What if he called at 6 am to call Whitney in sick (pretending to be Clint), but chickened out and hung up?

 

[Desdemona]

It might help to look at that question more loosely..."Who might be with him?"

Do you have a candidate in mind? I can't think of anyone based on the docs and what we've learned so far. LE do not seem to be implying there was anyone else with Whitney and her killer that day, IMO.

Still curious about the white truck seen in the Wal Mart parking lot, as well as whether or not Holt knew the bus routes or had been in the habit of walking to and from places in town. There doesn't have to be an accomplice IMO, though there might possibly have been. Time will tell, perhaps.

Just trying to think like a criminal here...but if I wanted to put my gun in a place I could retrieve it later if not arrested, on Police Station property is the LAST place I would hide it. The gun was left there, but not for that reason.

Thinking like a criminal, a scared and guilty killer who has not yet been apprehended: Holt may have wanted the security of having that gun all the way to the police station. He surely knew it would be a very bad idea to carry it inside on his person. Perhaps he didn't want to leave it in the car. If he's the one who killed Whitney, the girl the whole town is looking for, and he's heading in to be questioned, he may have considered that his car could be confiscated by LE. (It happened to Josh Powell in Utah.)

Perhaps he chose to stash the gun somewhere outside the car, where he could retrieve it later, in the event he were allowed to go free after the interview but his car were to be impounded. He would have to sacrifice the backpack... The gun is small and concealable, unlike the big bulky backpack. Extreme contingency on the part of a desperate man. And/or a not-too-smart one who thinks he can outsmart the law.

IMO the poster's statement that it was not left there for that reason is the poster's opinion, and no alternative reason is suggested by the poster. We cannot and do not know why Holt hid his gun outside the police station when he went in for questioning. We can only speculate. JMO

 

[Desdemona]

What if he called at 6 am to call Whitney in sick (pretending to be Clint), but chickened out and hung up?

Wait -- wasn't it Whitney's own phone that made the 6:08 call? Not the one Holt stole from Clint?

Anyway, I'm guessing LE already knows who called whom at 6:08, and from whose phone...


ETA: This is the post that got me confused as to whose phone it was:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased OR -*arrest* Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4


So which one was it? The phone JH stole from Clint? Or was it Whitney's?

 

[newsjunkie]

I think JH had the Canteen job not CH. I haven't heard any mention of CH having a job. But I have heard numerous mentions of him having health problems. Perhaps they are significant enough that he is on disability?

I would have to go back and reread the affidavit to be sure, but I think Clint worked/works for an apartment complex and just happened to have that day off.

 

[newsjunkie]

Wait -- wasn't it Whitney's own phone that made the 6:08 call? Not the one Holt stole from Clint?

Anyway, I'm guessing LE already knows who called whom at 6:08, and from whose phone...


ETA: This is the post that got me confused as to whose phone it was:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased OR -*arrest* Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4


So which one was it? The phone JH stole from Clint? Or was it Whitney's?

I believe it was the phone JH was using that he stole from Clint. Which is what prompted the whole discussion of how on earth she could possibly being calling work from that phone when she was still safe at home.

 

[Desdemona]

bbm

It was Holt's phone the call came from at 6am!

I believe this is correct, yes?

ETA: Thank you, newsjunkie, for confirming.

 

[katydid23]

I believe this is correct, yes?

ETA: Thank you, newsjunkie, for confirming.

I think it was Holt calling Starbucks on his cell. I think he was waiting up all night to kidnap the woman he was obsessed with. But then he worried that she may have gone into work early already. He probably didn't want to sit by the car and wait if she was already at work. So he called and said ' Is Whitney there?'

 

[Ronso]

RE: JH's GPA in high school-

I have a friend who carried a 4.0 in HS. She went on to college, and then law school. Graduated top of her class.

And she called me to ask how to make boxed macaroni and cheese....

My point? A person's GPA is not necessarily indicative of their actual intelligence. I had a horrible GPA and my IQ is very high. School bored me and I was too busy goofing off.

 

[surrogatemom]

Yes, it was Holt calling Starbucks at 6:08am. Holt used the cell phone (iPhone) that he stole from CH's dresser drawer previously.

 

[peace9274]

*If* the can of Febreze was Whitney's it might have had her fingerprints on it, and maybe not.

IMO the doc mentions his fingerprint found on the can; it doesn't say hers were not on the can.

And... if the can were purchased or obtained by him after she was killed and/or her body was dumped on Larch Mountain, well... her prints wouldn't likely be on it then.

JMO

BBM

Regardless to whom the can of Febreze belonged...
and/or from where it originally came....
the main point was that the person (LE) who wrote the search warrant affidavit stated
that they found the can of Fabreze in Whitney's car. They saw a finger print on the can
so they then checked to see whose print it was. It tested to be Holt's finger print.

Which meant:
1. Holt touched the can while it was in Whitney's car.
2. He left a bloody finger print on the can that day. And....
3. Bingo.... they got their man!!!

Nothing else, IMO, is relevant about the can of Fabreze