Oscar Pistorius - Sentencing - 6.13.2016

[cottonweaver]

Masipa is more interested in tea breaks and getting home than doing her job. If I was the judge I'd have hauled the PT over the coals for losing half the day due to handing over the report at the last possible moment. It's not like they don't have previous form. She really is the pits!

Day 1 & disappointing again, went to the beach whilst they broke for lunch and thought : The SCA hearing was the only brief flash of quality that we got from the SA system in this whole OP charade. Professional, sharp, incisive .

No more SA trials for me after this, here we are back at the High Court - so amateurish, too unsatisfactory.

Did Roux re-direct his witness after all that?

 

[Hag]

Can see where this is going! Same old, same old .................

 

[Viper]

Is the PTSD supposed to be post Reeva because like you say, he already had previous of violent acts.

He was put through a court ordered psychological evaluation during the trial. I can't remember whether PTSD was diagnosed or not.

But lets say he has PTSD, it is not a get out of jail free card; if it were he should not go to jail at all. So I don't see how him having it would reduce his confinement sentence.

 

[Interested Bystander]

So if P gets a low sentence; the state appeal again; the Appeal Court find Masipa to be wrong, again; then what happens. Does this dance just go on and on.

I think a number of us think we will not see OP in prison any time this year. He will appeal whatever sentence he gets. That is good for another 9 months at Uncle Arnold's. If he gets a short sentence, Nel will appeal that and OP will no doubt be allowed to remain on bail (though I seriously hope not). Either way, I feel an appeal in the air. I think we are looking at Spring 2017 before we get anywhere and possibly much later.

 

[mrjitty]

I think a number of us think we will not see OP in prison any time this year. He will appeal whatever sentence he gets. That is good for another 9 months at Uncle Arnold's. If he gets a short sentence, Nel will appeal that and OP will no doubt be allowed to remain on bail (though I seriously hope not). Either way, I feel an appeal in the air. I think we are looking at Spring 2017 before we get anywhere and possibly much later.

That should not happen.

A custodial sentence is nailed on no matter what.

So once a new competent sentence is imposed, he will be taken down no matter if he appeals.

 

[cottonweaver]

Is the PTSD supposed to be post Reeva because like you say, he already had previous of violent acts.

yes PTSD in the Weskoppies page 17, but he said it is worse now than it was then

https://juror13lw.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/scholtz-report.pdf

 

[Paul Connelly]

Ironically, the defence are playing on his fragility, depression and PTSD as reasons prison would be too harsh a punishment but in reality, if they told the truth, it is his sociopathic rage and need to control and manipulate that really presents a danger to him. Years of incarceration in virtual self-imposed solitary confinement will be a living hell to such a person. It's such a sweet irony that Roux fought so eloquently to put him in such a position. Oscar must regret being such a plausible liar and arch-manipulator. That's really the trouble with sociopaths... they are adept at fooling empaths but they cannot escape who they are and invariably their machinations lead to chaos and crisis. Oscar is about to fester in a hellish torment of his own making.

 

[LemonMousse]

I have never understood these continual wails about PTSD from the defence & Pistorians.

Was he suffering PTSD when he chose to slaughter a human being in a toilet? No. Then who cares if he's "suffering" from it now?

There was nothing clinically wrong with him that night and yet he murdered someone for no good reason. So, I'm awfully sorry, but blaming subsequent violent/aggressive behaviour on his "condition" does not cut the mustard since this man has already demonstrated - to Reeva's cost - that he doesn't need a condition to behave with extreme violence.

And that issue with the report was blatant dishonesty. "Oh, but I did mention the report". No. You listed it with no mention of it's contents and did not include it as an annexure........so there's no way the court or the State could have known it's contents if they hadn't asked to look at the file.

And what the hell is Masipa's problem? She's listening to testimony that tells her OP has no propensity to violence....Nel uncovers a report mentioning violent behaviour and she wonders what the relevance is?????

 

[mrjitty]

Absolutely. The shooter in Orlando is one incident too. Most murderers don't keep on murdering. What a ridiculous statement.

The stupidity of these proceedings is breathtaking

Scholtz says he spent 27 hours with Pistorius and it was not his impression that he was violent and aggressive.

Judge Masipa intervenes: she wants to know more about the prison psychologist report.

It says that at the beginning he struggled to adapt to prison life and was verbally violent, she says.

It doesn’t say anything about him being violent in nature.

Scholtz agrees: I am happy with my view that he is not a violent man.
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So not apart from

1. His murdered girlfriend
2. The time he assaulted a woman at a party
3. The time he fired a gun in a restaurant
4. The multiple documented incidents of abusive behaviour
5. The time he got in a fight with his dodgy associates
6. The nightclub incident
etc

:ROFLMAO:

This my friends, is an actual high court judge

 

[mrjitty]

And what the hell is Masipa's problem? She's listening to testimony that tells her OP has no propensity to violence....Nel uncovers a report mentioning violent behaviour and she wonders what the relevance is?????

At what stage does Pistolius' blood stained bathroom become evidence of a violent nature?

 

[Interested Bystander]

That should not happen.

A custodial sentence is nailed on no matter what.

So once a new competent sentence is imposed, he will be taken down no matter if he appeals.

I know it shouldn't happen but we clearly see, time after time, that OP leads a charmed life or is it that money speaks? The wealthy seem to get a far better deal than the proletariat. SA law seems to be a law unto itself.

However, I really do hope you are proved right.

 

[soozieqtips]

Scholtz is an insult to his profession. For God's sake, OP's history of aggression, recklessness and verbal abuse is well known. Even in prison he couldn't control his temper. He has no self control. If there's yet another appeal that manages to keep him out of jail, I will tear my hair out. Barry Steenkamp and the family can't properly move on until OP is in jail serving the correct sentence for his crime. It makes a complete mockery of the justice system that this common murderer has been free for so long.

Also, if he was considered ill enough and 'broken' enough to be in hospital... then why didn't his family admit him? Or why didn't he admit himself? If he was that ill, surely one of the clan would have taken care of it? But no. Not ill enough to be admitted to hospital by a family member, but wants it on the record that's where he should have been? What a manipulative farce.

 

[Viper]

That should not happen.

A custodial sentence is nailed on no matter what.

So once a new competent sentence is imposed, he will be taken down no matter if he appeals.

If I'm following Roux logic correctly OP will accept any term less than 15 years and go off to prison. The reason is clear: the SCA would likely hand him 15 years without blinking an eye if he appealed, so...

The State on the other hand has that appellate option and may well have already decided to appeal any sentence that Masipa hands down that is less than 15 years. The State has all of the cards now. Yay!
arty:

 

[Paul Connelly]

Don't ya know she's forgotten all about the bloody carnage of that night? Hell she doesn't even know what day or year or page she's in or on!

There's a great sitcom based on Irish Priests called Fr Ted. Not sure if it's been exported to our Kiwi cousins yet? One of the characters is Fr Jack, a senile old fellow who mostly sleeps through whatever carnage is going on around. Occasionally, he'll rouse if alcohol is around shouting out "drink! feck! girls!". He reminds me of Masipa who sleeps through the important stuff and is only roused to action if her precious Oscar is getting nailed to the wall.

I know you wrote extensively about her poor pedigree as a High Court Judge and by God you weren't wrong, then or now!

Btw welcome back to your true home. I saw some of the excellent expositions you posted on DS and was stunned at the lack of interest. You're much more appreciated here! lol

 

[cottonweaver]

Hi everyone. Back from work now so can catch up. I gather Masipa is still defending the killer to the hilt, defending his anger and aggression towards prison staff as "only at the beginning". No change there then. Thanks to ALL who posted, and hi to all the oldies. Good to see you.

Hi Soozie, I know you missed some of this morning.

here's a link to nel's cross of Scholtz

From 3.17 onwards

[video=youtube;LvpHXbEjM2c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvpHXbEjM2c[/video]

i tried to put up exchanges but my connection was losing chunks.

 

[soozieqtips]

Hi Soozie, I know you missed some of this morning.

here's a link to nel's cross of Scholtz

From 3.17 onwards

[video=youtube;LvpHXbEjM2c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvpHXbEjM2c[/video]

i tried to put up exchanges but my connection was losing chunks.

Ooh, thanks cotton. Will watch that now!

 

[LemonMousse]

And really....whose stupid idea was it to claim that OP was too unwell to take the stand just days after he'd taped a TV interview?

Nel was absolutely right.....it's the prospect of being properly challenged that makes him "unwell". Not a problem a truthful person would have, is it!?

 

[mrjitty]

And really....whose stupid idea was it to claim that OP was too unwell to take the stand just days after he'd taped a TV interview?

Nel was absolutely right.....it's the prospect of being properly challenged that makes him "unwell". Not a problem a truthful person would have, is it!?

The part that I find hard to understand is where I come from High Court Judges are not to be messed with.

That is how we learned! You don't go into Court and mess up or you would get torn a new one!

So to come waltzing into Court having done media work, but then don't front as a witness, and instead get an expert to introduce all your stuff as hearsay evidence...

That would earn you a dressing down!

Surely a Judge ought to be asking Mr Roux that if he wishes to introduce the state of mind of the accused as to acceptance of the murder, the accused shall give the evidence!

 

[cottonweaver]

Scholtz is an insult to his profession. For God's sake, OP's history of aggression, recklessness and verbal abuse is well known. Even in prison he couldn't control his temper. He has no self control. If there's yet another appeal that manages to keep him out of jail, I will tear my hair out. Barry Steenkamp and the family can't properly move on until OP is in jail serving the correct sentence for his crime. It makes a complete mockery of the justice system that this common murderer has been free for so long.

Also, if he was considered ill enough and 'broken' enough to be in hospital... then why didn't his family admit him? Or why didn't he admit himself? If he was that ill, surely one of the clan would have taken care of it? But no. Not ill enough to be admitted to hospital by a family member, but wants it on the record that's where he should have been? What a manipulative farce.

BIB Indeed why didn't his own psych do something about it!
Why did his psych Dr Bosch only see him once in Oct and once in June, a week before trial, if his condition had so worsened and he was at such risk being out of a hospital?

Many more ridiculous whys

Why didn't Scholtz get a report from OP's treating psychiatrist Dr Bosch? Bosch is the professional that matters
Why didn't he get facts on the medications, dosage and increases of the same instead of just relying on OP!
Why doesn't see any issue with notion he could work with vulnerable kids on "early childhood development programme" - a man so debilitated by PTSD
Why didn't Scholtz get a report from the prison as to his issues/management whilst in there?
Why didn't Scholtz know that OP was also consulting with another psycol, a famiy firend ,van Wyk
Why, if OP has such extreme somatic reactions on thinking about the murder, did he not ask him about that night?

etcetera etcetera

Anyway can't wait to see what Prof Michael Simpson thinks of the pitiful Scholtz.

Soozie, did you notice Aimee had scrubbed her face of make - up! She's very stressed you know!

 

[mrjitty]

My favourite was that the accused accepted that he had killed Reeva

errrr....

That was not even at issue?