GUILTY PA - Carlesha Freeland-Gaither, 22, Germantown, 2 November 2014 - #2

[teeandcee]

Don't forget the ex-wife that he bruatlized and raped for 24 hours,holding her hostage in her home. Oh, and she had a "restraining order". I'm sorry, but really? That rarely stops those who are hell-bent on terror.

Too bad she didn't have something effective like a gun and too bad she didn't use it. All his future victims saved from a lifetime of psychological recovery (not blaming the ex, just lamenting an opportunity missed). Some people do indeed need to be put down like rabid animals and this guy is one.

 

[teeandcee]

I'm sorry but bwaahaaahaaa. Sometimes it's the little things, eh ?

My reaction too, lol. Hahahahahaha!!!!

 

[elmomom]

A lot of people were aware of Barnes' past crimes. I'm wondering if anyone spoke to investigators about this.
"Take a look at m my son/nephew/cousin/parolee, he was accused of a very similar crime."

The videos were shown widely, somebody had to be thinking, that may be Delvin, he drives a car like that too. A random lady picking up litter from her yard made a connection with the contents, who actually knew the guy & had suspicions?

Is there really that big a fear of snitching?

A "campaign" against snitching has been part of Philly gang banger culture for a long time. It got so bad, kids were wearing and then banned from wearing anti-snitching tshirts to school. It has been talked about publicly and it is a well known sentiment, Ramsey the Philly police commissioner tried really hard to end the no-snitch culture when he first came to Philly. It is still pretty pervasive.

 

[teeandcee]

I believe they did.

I saw an interview this morning on the news with his uncle, who said it was sad that he had a family member like that, but he wasn't surprised it was him. I'm not sure if he actually had called in a tip or not, but I do think some family members did.

I prefer this quote to his father's quote. His father's was utterly inappropriate and downright cruel to the victims IMO.

 

[bestill]

I prefer this quote to his father's quote. His father's was utterly inappropriate and downright cruel to the victims IMO.

Missed this, do you have a link?

 

[teeandcee]

A "campaign" against snitching has been part of Philly gang banger culture for a long time. It got so bad, kids were wearing and then banned from wearing anti-snitching tshirts to school. It has been talked about publicly and it is a well known sentiment, Ramsey the Philly police commissioner tried really hard to end the no-snitch culture when he first came to Philly. It is still pretty pervasive.

I tend to be judgmental towards those who refuse to tell LE anything but then blame LE for not helping. However, if it was my family being threatened I'd probably keep quiet as well. Or write an anonymous note and mail it to LE. I really despise gangs and think they're just one step above pedophiles in the Should-Be-Wiped-Off-the-Face-of-the-Earth-For-the-Good-of-Society department.

 

[Foxfire]

Abducted woman found alive in Maryland
<Pic says a Thousand Words -->
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/2...Germantown_abduction.html#YhPC3VVZuDDKQeqq.99

 

[teeandcee]

Missed this, do you have a link?

I bolded the cruel and inappropriate part.

Quote: &#8220;We just wish a speedy recovery,&#8221; said the father. &#8220;We hope they can forgive our son and move on with their lives.&#8221;

http://www.nbc12.com/story/27297583/father-of-suspect-in-philadelphia-rva-abductions-thats-not-my-son-as-we-know-him

 

[2Hope4]

The police was right. This is a bad seed!! His father is a preacher!! Not even the fear of God was able to stop him. Scary! I pray his victims will be able to heal from his terror. They still have to face him in court, but I believe some will be glad to do so! KNowing they are taking the power back, they have the control now, and his fate now lies in their hands! How's them apples taste now??

So many victims who can lose that victim title and become VICTORS!! They survived!!! VICTORY TO THEM!!!

 

[Dushi]

I am just beginning to read this thread but.....O.M.G.
I am thrilled

 

[hockeymom4]

I think a slightly clearer picture of how the ID and capture went down:
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/2...Germantown_abduction.html#YhPC3VVZuDDKQeqq.99

As late as Wednesday afternoon, detectives believed the abduction may have had some connection to people from Freeland-Gaither's childhood in Maryland, but police later said they believed Barnes, who was charged in 2005 with the violent rape of an estranged girlfriend in Philadelphia and who has a long criminal record, targeted her at random.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/2...Germantown_abduction.html#c1wElzDYmXzPdkPP.99

I like many others didn't think this was random. Seems like LE has gone back and forth. Not blaming the family. This would be DB's fault. I just find this curious.

And just to clarify, I feel as though maybe he saw a picture of her or may have seen her somewhere previously through someone. All innocent, but turned bad.

 

[slowbutsteady]

:happydance: YAY!!! I am so happy she was found!! From the stories I've read, really sounds like he was not a good guy, at all!! Hopefully they'll throw him in jail and throw away the key!!!!!:jail:

 

[2Hope4]

I bolded the cruel and inappropriate part.

Quote: &#8220;We just wish a speedy recovery,&#8221; said the father. &#8220;We hope they can forgive our son and move on with their lives.&#8221;

http://www.nbc12.com/story/27297583...va-abductions-thats-not-my-son-as-we-know-him

Since his father is a pastor, that quote doesn't surprise me, and I don't think it's mean to be offensive. Many Christians believe that we must forgive in order to be forgiven. Meaning we must forgive anyone that's hurt us in order for God to forgive our own sins. While the statement wasn't really appropriate right now, I would imagine his family is in a bit of a shock as well.

I could suspect a family member of something, or know they aren't doing things right, but if they were arrested, or actually caught on film committing a crime, it would still upset me. Because especially with your kids, you love them. And even if you've done everything to try to help them, and they continue down the wrong path, you're likely to still love them. Goes to the hate the sin but not the sinner. As my Mom would say, I love you, but I don't like what you're doing, and won't condone it.

 

[SCHMAE]

A "campaign" against snitching has been part of Philly gang banger culture for a long time. It got so bad, kids were wearing and then banned from wearing anti-snitching tshirts to school. It has been talked about publicly and it is a well known sentiment, Ramsey the Philly police commissioner tried really hard to end the no-snitch culture when he first came to Philly. It is still pretty pervasive.

Well there is snitching and then there is snitching. I don't really think there is anything wrong with NOT reporting that you see your friends smoking weed at the park or drinking underage. Should you ? Maybe. That's for each to decide on their own. But when it comes to serious crimes where people are VICTIMS, then your failure to ' snitch' is making you somewhat responsible in your ' friends' next attack. If you know your friend is a rapist , kidnapper, killer and you do not snitch, then you are condoning the crime. Live with that !!!!!!!!

ETA BBM, I'm obviously talking about young people/ teens in this comment. When I was young I was doing those things, so I sure wasn't going to snitch on a friend for. Thankfully did not have any friends who were raping and killing people but that's an entirely different crime.

 

[bestill]

I bolded the cruel and inappropriate part.

Quote: &#8220;We just wish a speedy recovery,&#8221; said the father. &#8220;We hope they can forgive our son and move on with their lives.&#8221;

http://www.nbc12.com/story/272I97583/father-of-suspect-in-philadelphia-rva-abductions-thats-not-my-son-as-we-know-him

I can't imagine having a family member commit such horrible crimes against other human beings. To me the father sounds like he knows his son is a bad seed and he's struggling with forgiveness too. Sad situation.

 

[elmomom]

Well there is snitching and then there is snitching. I don't really think there is anything wrong with NOT reporting that you see your friends smoking weed at the park or drinking underage. Should you ? Maybe. That's for each to decide on their own. But when it comes to serious crimes where people are VICTIMS, then your failure to ' snitch' is making you somewhat responsible in your ' friends' next attack. If you know your friend is a rapist , kidnapper, killer and you do not snitch, then you are condoning the crime. Live with that !!!!!!!!

I totally agree with you. In Philly, people have been retaliated against violently for even reporting crime in their neighborhood. The anti-snitchers basically mean to intimidate the whole city into letting them commit their violent abhorrent drug dealing crimes without interference. We're not talking about not snitching on your friends or family... we're talking no snitching on any crime comitted by or against anyone. Even if you are assaulted, the pressure is there not to "snitch" on your assaulter. It is that bad.

 

[teeandcee]

Since his father is a pastor, that quote doesn't surprise me, and I don't think it's mean to be offensive. Many Christians believe that we must forgive in order to be forgiven. Meaning we must forgive anyone that's hurt us in order for God to forgive our own sins. While the statement wasn't really appropriate right now, I would imagine his family is in a bit of a shock as well.

I could suspect a family member of something, or know they aren't doing things right, but if they were arrested, or actually caught on film committing a crime, it would still upset me. Because especially with your kids, you love them. And even if you've done everything to try to help them, and they continue down the wrong path, you're likely to still love them. Goes to the hate the sin but not the sinner. As my Mom would say, I love you, but I don't like what you're doing, and won't condone it.

I'm a christian. I understand what you're saying. I'm going to sound angry at you, but I'm not. Forgiveness is nice and easy when you aren't the one who was kidnapped, tortured, and raped. Forgiving your child is easy. Suggesting others do things in your way on your time frame is easiest of all.

I do understand he was probably in shock, but I'm still disgusted. The bolded part was completely unnecessary. God forbid, his daughter is kidnapped/raped/tortured. I'd like to hear the tune he'd be singing then about forgiving the perp within a month/day of it happening.

 

[PLT]

I bolded the cruel and inappropriate part.

Quote: “We just wish a speedy recovery,” said the father. “We hope they can forgive our son and move on with their lives.”

http://www.nbc12.com/story/27297583/father-of-suspect-in-philadelphia-rva-abductions-thats-not-my-son-as-we-know-him

I read he is a minister so that bolded comment is probably coming from his spiritual side as in "turn the other cheek".

As for me, I can think of a lot of things I'd like to do to his son and forgiving is not on the list...let me check again....nope...didn't make my list.
I know so many people who can do the forgiving thing and they admittedly are far better people than me. I've read about parents visiting murderers in jail and forgiving them - I truly admire them. I think I'm more of an "eye for an eye" person when it comes to crimes like these against innocent people going about their daily lives.

 

[bestill]

When's DB's court appearance and where will it be? tia

 

[Mrs.g]

I didn't see anything wrong with the father's statement. JMO.