PA PA - Carol Dougherty, 9, Bristol, 22 Oct 1962

I want you to know that this case is not ever far from my thoughts. I drive by where she died and think... who and why....

It is so tough that no one seems to want to really go after this case.

I am hoping this fall to give it more time when the kids are in school.

I don't know why but I just don't think priest. I think that as a rule priests tend to be groomers.. Not violent attackers.. especially with the risk of someone coming in or someone being close. To me the risk involved means stranger.. opportunist.. Someone that was following her maybe that day and followed her into the church and saw the opportunity. I just am not sure we know who yet. But in my gut.. I don't see the priest. JMO
 
I'd have to put Father Sabadish at the top of the suspect list. He outright lied about seeing parishioners and he was apparently trying to establish the time he was in the shoe store by asking the clerk for the time even though he was wearing a watch.

That's not to say he did it, not enough evidence for that.

Can we determine how the church door locks today? Can someone who lives nearby go look at it? If it's a key lock, it was likely locked by a priest or the housekeeper. If it's a bolt, could have been anyone. Of course it could have been changed over the years.


Was the body found with a head covering on, or nearby? A scarf? Anything? It doesn't seem she'd have stopped if she didn't have a covering with her.
 
''It doesn't seem she'd have stopped if she didn't have a covering with her''

Unless somebody who was very important told her it was ok.

I'm with you on this Chrishope. Hi Scarlett :)
 
I'd have to put Father Sabadish at the top of the suspect list. He outright lied about seeing parishioners and he was apparently trying to establish the time he was in the shoe store by asking the clerk for the time even though he was wearing a watch.

That's not to say he did it, not enough evidence for that.

Can we determine how the church door locks today? Can someone who lives nearby go look at it? If it's a key lock, it was likely locked by a priest or the housekeeper. If it's a bolt, could have been anyone. Of course it could have been changed over the years.

Was the body found with a head covering on, or nearby? A scarf? Anything? It doesn't seem she'd have stopped if she didn't have a covering with her.
Sabadish is one of the top two suspects, that's for sure. Unfortunately, in their attempt to carry out a proper investigation, LE was met with resistance from the archdiocese and the community. In 1977, fifteen years later, the Bucks County Courier Times ran a series of articles about the murder. After one installment, the public response was so strong, the editor printed an apology.
In the course of the Courier Times investigation of this case, it was reported that a member of the clergy formerly of this area was considered a suspect for a time. In detailing how this lead was pursued by the investigators, the Courier Times crossed the bounds of good taste. The Courier Times apologizes for poor judgment on its part.
Bucks County Courier Times, Wednesday, February 9, 1977, front page
I can imagine how difficult it must have been for the LEO's working the case in 1967. Not that it stopped them from trying, but I do wonder to what extent, if any, it impeded the progress of the investigation. On the other hand, the crime captured tremendous attention, and they pulled out all the stops to find the killer. In one interview with Chief Faragalli, the lead investigator, he talked about the numerous suspects that were interviewed, locally and out of state. But nothing panned out.

The other top suspect, who I put at number one, is William Shrader. He also lied about his whereabouts.
Schrader was 24 at the time of the murder, and had been spotted outside the church about 4:30 p.m. Oct. 22, 1962 — the day of the murder. Before the murder, he had previously done prison time for firing a gun and attempted murder in Wilkes-Barre, according to a police report I obtained. Schrader was living in the 300 block of Lincoln Avenue in Bristol near St. Mark Church, and was employed at the Century Tool Co. in Croydon.

An eyewitness went to police in January 1963 to say he had seen Schrader at the church on the day of the murder. Schrader was called in for questioning. He told the investigators that he did not kill Carol Dougherty. He was at work the day of the murder. He said he hadn’t punched out until about 4:30 p.m.

When investigators checked his time card, they discovered this wasn’t true. Schrader had checked out at 1:58 p.m. Oct. 19, 1962, and didn’t return to work until Oct. 24. Confronted with the time card evidence, Schrader changed his story. He said he had been installing a motor in his car at Gross’s Junk Yard on Oct. 22, and finished the job on Oct. 23.
http://m.phillyburbs.com/blogs/news...cle_08667882-4fcf-5197-9306-be0506fe9b72.html
Both he and Sabadish, however, passed polygraph exams, and the evidence didn't match up to either of them.

Regarding your questions about the door, in the picture Scarlett posted, you can see the doors now have brass handles which lock with a key. At the time, the doors locked with an old-fashion iron latch. This snip is from a Courier Times article that I read on Ancestry, so you'll have to take it for what it's worth because I don't have a link.
[The killer] lowered the heavy metal latch that locks the front doors before he climbed the steps of the 100-year-old church and accosted the child on the landing.
Bucks County Courier Times, Monday, February 7, 1977, p. A3
There's no mention of a chapel veil or beanie (de rigeur for Catholic school girls back in the day). Only a red barrette found on the stairs. But her mother is quoted as saying it wasn't unual for Carol Ann to stop into church during the week to pray in the choir loft. So I think she must have kept a veil or beanie folded up in her bookbag. I was born a few years after Carol Ann, and I can tell you that I never would've walked into church bare-headed. That just was not done in the '60's. It would be like stepping into the shower with your clothes on. I remember as a kid, when we'd attend mass during the school day, if a girl forgot her beanie, and no one had an extra to loan to her, the nuns would use a bobby pin to clip a Kleenex in her hair. In fact, the same article I cited above says that when the friends saw Carol Ann's bike, they stood outside the church for a few minutes. "They would have gone inside but they had nothing to wear on their heads." Right there, that tells us Carol Ann must have had something to cover her head, yet I've never seen it mentioned.
 

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''It doesn't seem she'd have stopped if she didn't have a covering with her''

Unless somebody who was very important told her it was ok.

I'm with you on this Chrishope. Hi Scarlett :)
Ya know, Robin Hood, you and I think a lot alike. Even as I was typing my reply, in the back of my mind I thought the absolute, one and only way I might dare to enter a church with my head uncovered would be if a priest told me it was okay. But, I'm hesitant to accept that notion because I think Carol Ann would have something with her, based on her mother's statement that Carol Ann sometimes stopped off at church in the afternoons. So why wasn't it found? And why would a writer point out the friends wouldn't enter church with nothing on their heads -- even adding a note about the era of Jackie Kennedy, yada, yada -- but not a word about what Carol Ann would have normally used to cover her head, and which should have been found at the scene??

ETA: Reading this article for the umpteenth time, this just jumped out at me.
By 4:30 p.m., Carol Ann's mom, Dorothy, was worried. Carol Ann was never late. Dorothy Dougherty drove the family car toward the library. She saw Carol Ann's bike at the church and stopped. The big church door opened easily and she glanced inside. Without something to wear on her head, traditional for women worshippers at the time, she left quickly and sped home, to get her husband.
http://articles.philly.com/1994-04-12/news/25864576_1_grand-jury-mystery-bike

So there it is again. Her mom wouldn't enter the church "without something to wear on her head", even though she was frantically searching for her daughter. I did note one more detail I'd forgotten, beside the barrette on the stairs, Carol Ann's plastic hair band bearing a badly smudged fingerprint was found in the church. Still, not a proper head covering for church.

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZUDh6fV8DKUC&lpg=PT185&ots=MD2qf6mt1-&dq=carol%20ann%20dougherty&pg=PT185#v=onepage&q=carol%20ann%20dougherty&f=false
 
The evil murderer never suspected that within minutes both Carol Ann's friends and parents would begin searching for her. She sounds like a sweet girl who diligently followed her routine so as not to disappoint or worry anyone. This, along with the fact she stopped by the church regularly to pray, would enrage a particularly evil type of murderer.

This murderer wanted to defile her and the church. But, no matter what he did to her body, this child's spirit stayed pure. Another thing to enrage the murderer.

Meanwhile, that church is creepy looking. Maybe it wasn't so bad before a murderer viciously attacked Carol Ann while she was under its roof. But, IDK.
 
The church is creepy. I will get better pictures for you. I am hoping to get inside this fall and look around. Also I am going to do some research at a local library.
It bothers me. That someone who do this to her in a place that should have been safe? makes me ill.
 
ScarlettScarpetta, it makes me feel sick, too. Your personal impression of the church is interesting. I wonder if this murder changed the impression of the place. It looks weird, too. But, this vile murder would taint any place. Thank you for doing so much local research for Carol Ann.
 
Could Sabadish and Shrader have known each other? Someone a few posts back thought there may have been 2 people. Also when you compare places that Sabadish was when there were other attacks, could you figure out where Shrader was during those times as well.
 
I think it's lovely old church with its doors opening right onto the sidewalk. You don't see that in many modern churches.

Anyway, I'm still stuck on this idea about the head covering. I read through all of the articles again, and realized it wasn't mentioned in the original reports. None that I read, anyway, and I've read quite a few. And never is it mentioned in reference to Carol Ann.

The reference to the friends and head coverings comes from a February 1977 Courier Times article. The reference to Carol Ann's mom lacking a head covering was printed in a 1994 article. So it's an idea that was tacked on well after the fact.

I might be way off base, but I have a notion the absence of a "head covering" was a big deal because her parents and LE knew she had one with her, and it should have been found in the church. That's the kind of detail LE will withhold from the public. These later hints might have been added as a means to spook the killer a little bit, provoke him. To let him know they were aware he'd kept a souvenir in the hopes he might be moved to show his hand.

I also wonder about the "lingerie" Sabadish was said to have purchased, telling the saleswoman it was for his wife. Was he actually buying it for BZ or another woman? I question it because when violent rapists/killers are caught, we frequently learn they had a fetish for women's undergarments, often wearing it themselves.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/blogs/ne...2-4fcf-5197-9306-be0506fe9b72.html?mode=story

Could Sabadish and Shrader have known each other? Someone a few posts back thought there may have been 2 people. Also when you compare places that Sabadish was when there were other attacks, could you figure out where Shrader was during those times as well.
I've questioned that, myself. They both lied about their whereabouts, too. We'd have to dig deeper to find out where Schrader was when Marise was killed.

If Sabadish was the perp, he must have had a plan to remove Carol Ann's body, but I don't think he expected the kids or the lady to come by. Or for Carol Ann's mom to look for her so soon. Carol Ann was seen by some men on their way to work shortly before 4:00 P.M. Mrs. D went looking for CA around 4:30. That's a pretty tight timeline. If he was alone, he might have panicked and left quickly so he'd be seen away from the church. If there were two of them, it seems they would have made an effort to at least hide her body inside the church temporarily, and clean up the scene. Unless Schrader was supposed to take care of it, and he panicked, too, when Mrs. D came by.
 
I'm glad you found it, dotr, and happy to see it bumped, too. Many a night I fall asleep with Carol Ann on my mind. I know it's presumptious of me to say, but I believe this case could have been solved had it occurred at a later date and time.
 
This article states that the collected info from Carol's murder investigation was handed over to a grand jury. Does that mean the prosecutor thought there was enough evidence to arrest a suspect, but the grand jury had to indict this person?



Read more: http://archives.timesleader.com/199...D_OF_INVESTIGATORS_SOCIETY.html#ixzz2VZ2aNOqe
http://archives.timesleader.com/199...NKED__SAYS_HEAD_OF_INVESTIGATORS_SOCIETY.html

What does it mean that there was never a statement released (that I can find) that the grand jury refused to indict this person?

Wondering if any of the Bristol basketball players either wore, or hated someone who wore, a uniform number 12?


From above link,


"Fleisher said the connection between the two murders may be found in a basketball game the night before Chiverella's murder. That is when several people from Bristol were in town to attend a basketball playoff game at St. Joseph's gym."

Read more: http://archives.timesleader.com/199...D_OF_INVESTIGATORS_SOCIETY.html#ixzz2fNsiyJXc
 
I'm glad you found it, dotr, and happy to see it bumped, too. Many a night I fall asleep with Carol Ann on my mind. I know it's presumptious of me to say, but I believe this case could have been solved had it occurred at a later date and time.

I do too. From what I get from my family that lived there, It was a close town but no one would ever question a priest at that time. That it really changed the town that was once very open and playful.

I think had this happened these days, It would have been solved quickly.
 
http://www.litmir.net/br/?b=125898&p=55


"In 1962, a clerk at a Bristol shoe store told the police that Sabadish came into the shop shortly before 4:30 that afternoon-when Carol was apparently already dead-acting strangely. Nervous and distracted, he asked the clerk for the time, and also asked a bizarre question in a shoe store, “Do you sell underwear?” The clerk noted that Sabadish was wearing a wristwatch and knew the time. Police believed Sabadish was trying to create an alibi for himself. And they became increasingly suspicious of the priest’s possible sexual perversions when they obtained receipts for purchases he had made at an upscale ladies’ lingerie shop.

They were still looking at other possible suspects. But the night before Halloween, a week into the investigation, Chief Faragalli received disturbing information that made Sabadish the primary suspect. A married woman in nearby Fairless Hills told police that Sabadish had threatened to rape her three or four weeks before Dougherty’s murder. She knew Sabadish from years earlier when she lived at a home for unwed mothers where he was the chaplain. Now on the telephone he had made sexual advances, including a threat that he wanted to rape her. Sabadish said she needn’t worry about becoming pregnant because he was “sterile".
 
I just wanted to say -- awesome sleuthing, all. I know how hard it is to get any new insight at all on cold cases.. but you guys have raised some Very Good Questions here, and VGQ's are usually the things which lead to real answers...

Well done. :)
 
Now, how would he know that ?
Yes, it's interesting that he would know that, considering he was a priest.

The significance of that statement allegedly made by Sabadish to a girlfriend is that it fit with the evidence. An analysis of semen found in CA's body led police to the conclusion that the killer was very young, very old, or impotent.
The scant clues left at the crime scene suggested the assailant was neither Black or Hispanic, and that he was either very old, very young, or impotent.
http://crimsonshadows.net/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=68

"The only solid evidence was a few pubic hairs left on the little girl's leg. Analysis of those hairs indicated the killer probably was not black or Hispanic.

The coroner's examination of the semen left in the girl's body gave police another clue -- their killer was either very young, very old or impotent...

"We had tape recordings of him and his girlfriend. The thing that excited everybody was when we heard he told the girlfriend he was sterile. That fit."
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9dpNu3jLO3tQ1V5SWxIY2I5VUk/edit?usp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9dpNu3jLO3tTFhNazdDUFpEcGc/edit?usp=sharing
 
Schradar didn't just attempt murder, he committed it, stabbing the victim fifty-one times.
http://myweb.wvnet.edu/~jelkins/adcrimlaw/cases/schrader.html

Yes, I also noted he claimed it was self defense (rolls eyes)

Another Priest 50 years earlier was having trouble keeping his pants on as well - Father Hans Schmidt (last post in thread)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140962&page=8
AND another 9 year old, is there something in girls being 9 ? Is it the usual age for confirmation ?
 

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