GUILTY PA - Christina Regusters for kidnap, rape of 5yo girl, Philadelphia, 14 Jan 2013 - #1

[MLO]

I am very hopeful in this case that they will find the people responsible.

I have a 5 year old boy, and I can tell you that not one detail passes that child without him noticing, and remembering. So things the abductors may not that thought were significant or that the child wouldn't remember or be able to use to identify them, I'd bet my booty that she DID see, she DOES remember and it WILL help. 5 year olds are special creatures with an eye for details and memories like a sponge.

In the past I've also had another 5 year old boy and a 5 year old girl and they were exactly the same. Always noticing, always questioning.

I should probably add that I do still HAVE those children, they just grew up!

 

[ozazure]

I wouldn't assume they are relationship girlfriends ... could be friends who are women. Unless the reporters know something we don't they aren't spinning it great for this guy. It could just be because they have nothing else, they are sensationalising a father who is assisting police, providing his phone and knows women who could possibly fit the abductors demographic.

 

[Jules71]

The abductor was very volatile to argue with the substitute teacher like she did. Someone with anger issues or just following orders? I would expect the abductor to be nervous and edgy. JMO

I agree. I also cannot believe she had the nerve to exit the door she did and then proceed to walk Nailla along that street the school is on and then turn left and further walk along that street - which also borders the school and school parking lot. To me that says if they were to be approached by someone at the school, she most likely had a back up plan. That's why I think she was someone close.

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[IHAVENOCLUE]

I know I saw someone use a thud smilie, but I can't find it. I guarantee, I am thudding right now.

I am not good with maps.... But I am getting proficient with smilies...

for a "Thud" smilie... Just...

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[MLO]

I think it's possible that it was revenge by a girlfriend but my gut says it was random, in so far as they wanted a girl, any girl, but chose her because they had the best knowledge of her and the best chance of getting her. The knowledge either came from her family inadvertently or friends.

I don't think that information would be hard to gain either. I know many of my friends and my friends friends know my children's names and what school they go to. I've also been known to complain to my family and friends about how many times one of my children has a substitute (my 5 year old coincidentally). I've often said things like " the teacher is away at least twice a week. Now there is another note in the door saying they will have a substitute on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. I'm sick of it!". It could have been something as simple as slipping that into conversation with the wrong person.

 

[MLO]

I wouldn't assume they are relationship girlfriends ... could be friends who are women. Unless the reporters know something we don't they aren't spinning it great for this guy. It could just be because they have nothing else, they are sensationalising a father who is assisting police, providing his phone and knows women who could possibly fit the abductors demographic.

I guess it's also possible that one is the current girlfriend, one he has just broken up with, one he dated for less than a week, another he dated for a month and one he was seeing 3 months ago but it ended badly. Assuming the parents are not together, the "5 girlfriends" could be perfectly legit and not as bad as it sounds.

 

[ozazure]

The abductor was very volatile to argue with the substitute teacher like she did. Someone with anger issues or just following orders? I would expect the abductor to be nervous and edgy. JMO

I dunno, it could be that this kind of blowing up is almost par for the course. God knows I said much worse but in the same vein after my (not very good, so we've left) school wouldn't let me take my daughter and nieces after we arranged it one morning, that same afternoon. (their refusal wasn't security related but to provide more detail would be OT). I wouldn't class myself as having anger issues, and if this school is not run like a tight ship, exasperated loud parents may happen frequently. Certainly I never imagined myself saying "I am not fn around here" to the school office lady :blushing:

 

[TGIRecovered]

The abductor was very volatile to argue with the substitute teacher like she did. Someone with anger issues or just following orders? I would expect the abductor to be nervous and edgy. JMO

MOO, I don't put too much faith in the sub's statement that he challenged the woman and she argued with him. After all, he screwed up bigtime. It doesn't take any special training to know that you don't just let someone walk in and take a five year old out of class to go to breakfast without being informed by the office that the child needs to leave. It is bad enough that it happened at all, but add in the fact that the woman's identity was completely concealed by her outfit and it adds up to plain foolishness.

I don't think I'm being overly critical of the sub. I am a substitute teacher myself. When a classroom of children are in your charge, you have to stay sharp and use common sense. I have to say that I doubt that a woman would have let the child go so easily. Men just aren't as careful as women are when it comes to protecting children. :moo:

It makes sense to me that if the sub had been contientious enough to tell the woman that he needed to verify with the office, he would not have been deterred by her objections since that only makes her motives seem more suspicious. If you say you have to verify and the person puts up an argument, HELLO, big red flag! I think it is possible that the woman told him that she was there for the child and he just let her go. MOO

 

[matou]

I agree. I also cannot believe she had the nerve to exit the door she did and then proceed to walk Nailla along that street the school is on and then turn left and further walk along that street - which also borders the school and school parking lot. To me that says if they were to be approached by someone at the school, she most likely had a back up plan. That's why I think she was someone close.

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What would she have done if the teacher refused to let the girl leave with her? Would she have made a huge scene and have more attention on her? Did anyone from the school's office actually know N's mother to recognize that the abductor was NOT the mother?

 

[jjenny]

What would she have done if the teacher refused to let the girl leave with her? Would she have made a huge scene and have more attention on her? Did anyone from the school's office actually know N's mother to recognize that the abductor was NOT the mother?

Why would the abductor want to make a scene? After all, school could call police.
I am not sure I follow substitute teacher's logic. If he claims the woman argued with him, why didn't he notify the office?

 

[matou]

Why would the abductor want to make a scene? After all, school could call police.
I am not sure I follow substitute teacher's logic. If he claims the woman argued with him, why didn't he notify the office?

I'm not saying she would WANT to make a scene. If she was blocked by the sub, WOULD she flip? Why would he call the police if the "parent" said what she said? Irate parents in schools seem like a regular day in a grade school. I don't blame the sub on this at all. It was a mistake for sure but I can see why it happened the way it did. JMO

 

[jjenny]

I'm not saying she would WANT to make a scene. If she was blocked by the sub, WOULD she flip? Why would he call the police if the "parent" said what she said? Irate parents in schools seem like a regular day in a grade school. I don't blame the sub on this at all. It was a mistake for sure but I can see why it happened the way it did. JMO

She wasn't the "parent." If he says she argued with him, then presumably he understands that rules were not followed. So why did he let this woman have the child?

 

[K.jill]

Wonder what she would have done if she was challenged or f N had said "who are you?"

I have wondered if she could have had a weapon hidden in her baby bump....Don't think it likely she did have a weapon but it crossed my mind.

 

[Jules71]

I keep thinking about how rules only work for rule followers. If the rule is to get cleared at front door and then go to the office - the rule followers are going to do that. The bad people/abductors/shooters etc aren't. My school has "rules". You are supposed to enter the front door and check in at the office. Sign in and get your own volunteer/visitor badge - no one is checking your signature or ID. Is this just because they recognize me? Anyone could walk in and do something totally different. And I am terribly afraid that young children like this just do what they think they are being told to do. It is scary. I think this can happen at most schools. I wish I could be on an undercover task force to see how often this would work. Things need to change.

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[Jules71]

She wasn't the "parent." If he says she argued with him, then presumably he understands that rules were not followed. So why did he let this woman have the child?

The sub did not know she wasn't the mother. The woman told the sub she already signed her out and she had other appointments and didn't need to be having this discussion (more or less). Just like a lot of real impatient parents might say. All the sub thought about protocol being broken was the mother getting her from class rather than from the office.

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[matou]

The sub did not know she wasn't the mother. The woman told the sub she already signed her out and she had other appointments and didn't need to be having this discussion (more or less). Just like a lot of real impatient parents might say. All the sub thought about protocol being broken was the mother getting her from class rather than from the office.

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Thanks.

 

[TGIRecovered]

I think that it is significant to note that the sub not only allowed the child to be taken without proper ID and verification from the office, he also failed to raise the alarm at all the whole rest of the school day. If a person came in to the classroom and took the child without waiting for him to check with the office, why did he not mention this at all during the rest of the school day? Why did he not contact the office anyway and say, "Hey, someone just came in to get this child and she refused to wait for me to verify even though I asked her to wait"? Did he not think to mention this strange occurrence to anyone even after the child was never returned to school after "breakfast"?

This is why I suspect that he really did not ask the woman to wait at all. If he had and she refused, the logical thing to do would be to tell someone about it, but he didn't. No one suspected that the child had been kidnapped until it was time to ride the daycare bus after school.

MOO

 

[Jules71]

Even a child leaving class alone to go to the restroom can be a disaster. I remember when my older child was in first grade he went to the restroom and when he got back the class was gone. They had gone to music. He didn't know where they were and the teacher dropped the rest of the class off with the music teacher and didn't even realize she was missing a student. Then of course the music teacher just probably figured he was absent. What if they had lunch next? How long would it take for someone to notice? Thankfully my son didn't have a problem wondering all over the school to find them. My youngest son would be a different story. Especially if an unsavory adult said you need to come with me. Uggh!

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[jjenny]

The sub did not know she wasn't the mother. The woman told the sub she already signed her out and she had other appointments and didn't need to be having this discussion (more or less). Just like a lot of real impatient parents might say. All the sub thought about protocol being broken was the mother getting her from class rather than from the office.

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He didn't know that the woman was the mother either. Did he ask the child if this woman was her mother?
Didn't raise an alarm, didn't contact the office to verify-etc.

 

[amberdawn723]

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Here's the map I made a while back......I added the address of the mosque and the direction the abductor went in when leaving the school.