GUILTY PA - Christina Regusters for kidnap, rape of 5yo girl, Philadelphia, 14 Jan 2013 - #1

[tlcya]

My bold -

The article above says 7 wives.

I noted that but previous articles have coined them GFs so Wives/GFs its still an unknown for me. MOO

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Just curious and taking the temperature- none of you would consider suing a school system who had such unbearably poor procedures in place that they allowed someone to walk out of the door with a 5 year old who then suffered goodness knows what at the hands of her abductor(s)?

Hiring an attorney doesnt mean that she is going to bleed the district dry. Correct me if I am wrong, but arent the details of little one's experiences still under wraps? No one knows what the toll will be on a child who is at the age of reason who was taken from some place where she should have been completely safe and subjected to something terrible.

This event needs to be taken very very very seriously. The school rightfully should bear this burden as should the district. JMVHO.

Since you asked...

I really think that more facts about this event should be presented before a decision to sue a school/district should be taken...

The abductors are the true perps here.... They are the ones who are responsible for kidnapping/ harming the child...

According to reports... The front office personnel were trying to follow protocol by requesting the garbed lady to wait in the office...

his brazen perp avoided this protocol.... Went straight to the classroom.. And (again, if reports are true) she was confrontational with the substitute...

Please remember that the sub is equally responsible for ALL of his charges... And while the perp was confronting him ... While Class Was In Session...This would be taking his attention from the other 20 or so children in the class...

I am even wondering if this perp didn't have plan B in place should there have been more of a block to her "mission"... Maybe she WAS pregnant.... But we do not really know what was under her robes... Could she have had weapons/guns of some sort?

Yes... There may need to be more security measures placed in schools for the protection of children... But at what expense to the freedom/learning experiences of the children?

would it be best to keep them on lockdown in an underground bunker where no one can enter or exit except for beginning and ending of classes?

remember, too, that the perp could have taken a child on the playground where there is even more room for abduction...

do we take away recess and play time for children too?

The school even had video of the perp... I don't know if all schools have that...I don't recall any of the schools I have worked for as a teacher's aide, teacher in my close to 30 years in education...

We have to remember... The school is not the aggressor here... At all... There was no intent on the part of this school to harm this child, at all....And measures were taken to prevent such events from occurring...

For full security from aberrations of society, such as this abduction we are discussing... Do we take away freedoms and quality of life in education... Making students virtual prisoners in their own schools?

Just some thoughts...

JMO

 

[hollyblue]

But then what about transparency? If I am required by law to turn my child over to the education system, that education system better be prepared to have me pop in or sit in on a class session, etc. How would these new proposed security measures affect that?

A school I and other parents, grandparents, etc can't go past the front doors of is not a school I want my child attending either. It creates an atmosphere of mistrust for me if I am not welcomed at and in my children's' schools.

MOO

I don't have the answers, just concerns.

I'm not a parent (and older), so my views and knowledge aren't as broad as many, but when I was in school the parents never came in to monitor the class. I just remember in kindergarten, when it was your birthday, the parent was allowed to come in and bring cupcakes or goodies for the whole class and a little celebration was held....and of course the yearly "open house" where the teachers would present what the kids had done or were studying, etc. I can't remember what that's called..... but it was in the evenings. Then the regular PTA meetings.

IMO, it would be a distraction for the children if parents were allowed to come in anytime and sit in on their schooling, That's one job of the principal, the superintendent and the school board to oversee. A parent should be able to get an idea of how things are going by just communicating with their child about their day..and other parents. That's the transparency that needs to take place. Kids also need to have some kind of trusting relationship built with the teacher while there. I know in today's society it's scary, but it still needs to be there. For the most part, it's a structured and controlled environment. I'd be more concerned about the other student's behaviors reaching my child before a teacher's. Well, at least during regular school hours. Extra curricular activities or school trips would be another matter where my focus would shift to the teacher/coach or whoever was in charge. JMO

 

[Filly]

Thanks for the drive around. With so much traffic isn't it odd that no one has come forward to say they saw the abductor and N walking down a street? It was nearly 9:00a; surely, someone should have seen them.

They need to up the reward.

JMO

 

[Filly]

Three days after girl's abduction. How safe are Philadelphia schools?



http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/investigations/How-Safe-Are-Philadelphia-Schools-187207771.html

Lu Ann Cahn is one of our investigative reporters. She checked it out.

Not certain if this shows some of what I saw on TV, but if you don't comprehend double talk ya best learn it.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Maybe she financially doesnt have money for the counselor..they are very expensive I know. So she hires the attorney to help her with finding a counselor as well as suing the school and whatever else she needs to do.

Had she asked for the free counseling services provided in her community BEFORE acquiring this attorney?

We don't know... But something tells me she did not...it doen't seem like there had been time for setting up appointments with community provided services (schools provide this information.... They just cannot make referrals to outside organizations) during the understandable whirlwind of activity following the disappearance and the discovery of NR...

JMO

 

[cluciano63]

I have a feeling the answers lie within the seven wives/girlfriends.

 

[Filly]

Philadelphia school closings navigated.


http://www.philly.com/philly/news/l...a_loud__angry_crowd_over_school_closings.html


Angry crowd.

A school switch would be easy for a suburban parent to naviagte, but here? One report was on that.



FWIW, alot of our kids have to walk to school here. They come from no car households. Single parents have to get to work or in some cases do not work and don't even wake up to get their kids off to school let alone walk them.

When we were kids we had crossing guards like every two blocks. Crossing guards are wonderful. They are the eyse and ears of our children. In fact I'll link as we just had a crossing guard here get the living, loving c*ap beat out of her and had to leave her long held position.

 

[ElementaryDearWatson]

Winning a big money suit against the school costs the tax payers in that district. Public schools aren't like companies. :twocents:

Even schools have liability insurance that will likely cover any type of judgement or settlement arrived at as a result of a suit.

 

[hollyblue]

I agree... It seems like in that busy residential area there would be at least one... And probably more... Who would have seen the abductor with NR...

JMO

I know....and NR was supposedly blindfolded for this journey? Has that been confirmed..do we know? I mean, come on, can you envision that?

 

[Filly]

Woman who beat Crossing Guard will most likely only get probation.



http://articles.philly.com/2013-01-11/news/36281990_1_guards-attacker-firefighters-and-teachers


Linking to just give a feel of what can go on when kids are coming and going to school everyday. This lady fears for her life, and was only doing her job. I am wondering how many people "witnessed" this?

 

[hollyblue]

Maybe she financially doesnt have money for the counselor..they are very expensive I know. So she hires the attorney to help her with finding a counselor as well as suing the school and whatever else she needs to do.

There should be victim funding available through the city or state for her counseling; but if I could afford it.. or if allowed, I'd do the picking to which counselor.

 

[Filly]

I mean, come on, can you envision that?

Yes. I absolutely can. I know there's other WS from Philadelphia, and they may have different opinions, but yes.

Unrelated to "N's" case, but if you talk you can get this.

http://www.metro.us/philadelphia/lo...n-philly-store-possibly-targeted-by-drug-crew

Broad daylight. This woman witnessed a murder. She was supposedly protected. Some say police picked her up to bring her in for interviews. People do not trust the cops. So whoever knows who took "N" if there is anyone there has to be a bigger reward.

 

[The Cheese]

I know....and NR was supposedly blindfolded for this journey? Has that been confirmed..do we know? I mean, come on, can you envision that?

At the press conference the other day, the police said N was blindfolded right up to when she was placed in the playground. Who would confirm that? Are we now doubting what this victim says happened to her?

This is very upsetting.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Even schools have liability insurance that will likely cover any type of judgement or settlement arrived at as a result of a suit.

But is that where funds for education be ideally placed?.....

In holding tanks in expectation of lawsuits by individuals seeking to place blame... Real or imagined?

JMO

 

[Filly]

At the press conference the other day, the police said N was blindfolded right up to when she was placed in the playground. Who would confirm that? Are we now doubting what this victim says happened to her?

This is very upsetting.

It is.

I think people can not fathom that in broad daylight a woman could walk a child around city blocks blindfolded and nobody noticed.

That lady had an umbrella as well. Even if someone did pay mind the umbrella could have blocked "N's" face. It appeared to be one of those big, old fashioned umbrella's as opposed to a fold up one.

 

[ElementaryDearWatson]

But is that where funds for education be ideally placed?.....

In holding tanks in expectation of lawsuits by individuals seeking to place blame... Real or imagined?

JMO

It has nothing to do with funds for education. All schools are insured against personal injury, fire, theft, etc. etc. It costs the insurance company, not the school. That's what they pay premiums for.

 

[The Cheese]

But is that where funds for education be ideally placed?.....

In holding tanks in expectation of lawsuits by individuals seeking to place blame... Real or imagined?

JMO

Imagined blame?? Have you seen all the statements made by the school system acknowledging their blame?

I just don't get this.

And as far as what you posted about you don't think the mom used the victim's advocacy services. I don't get that either. This case is being handled by the Special Victims Unit, the police have made clear their intense concern about this fragile and traumatized little girl. The victim's advocates would have been there on day one. How could anyone think this little girl's mom wouldn't be working with them. That would mean the mom didn't give a darn about her traumatized and victimized little girl. I certainly haven't seen any indication of that.

I just don't understand where this kind of thinking comes from.

This child is a victim. Her mother is a victim. They need and deserve support.

I need to shut up before I say something that gets me in trouble.

 

[ElementaryDearWatson]

But then what about transparency? If I am required by law to turn my child over to the education system, that education system better be prepared to have me pop in or sit in on a class session, etc. How would these new proposed security measures affect that?

A school I and other parents, grandparents, etc can't go past the front doors of is not a school I want my child attending either. It creates an atmosphere of mistrust for me if I am not welcomed at and in my childrens' schools.

MOO

I don't have the answers, just concerns.

No one is required by law to turn their child over to the educational system. If people don't like the public school they can choose to home school or privately educate their children.

 

[belleyes]

Maybe she financially doesnt have money for the counselor..they are very expensive I know. So she hires the attorney to help her with finding a counselor as well as suing the school and whatever else she needs to do.

BBM ---In PA victims get compensation for any therapy, time off for court, etc. (aka: restitution) She should have been assigned a victim advocate. I also read further back that N was interviewed at Children's Alliance. They only work with child victims. Therapists do the forensic interview (without parents) and it's tape recorded so the victim doesn't have to rehash the details. Detectives and CPS oversee the interview from another room. Children's Alliance also provides information on how to receive further appropriate services, and makes any needed referral's.

This is MOO and experience. I don't know if all Children's Alliance's work the same but I would assume so.