PA - Conner, 8, & Brinley Snyder, 4, found hung, later died, Kempton, 23 Sept 2019 *Arrest*

[kittythehare]

I have been thinking about this case for a while now, trying to be very unbiased. If I go with the son did it, because as many have said it has happened before, what stops me from agreeing with that theory is that even if he coerced is younger sister to stand on a chair with a leash around her neck, he would have had to kick her chair out. Unless this boy is a psychopath I would think once she was hanging and moving about he would have freaked out and had second thoughts. At that age I could see him thinking suicide as a solution bit not understanding the permanency of it. Once he saw his sister I think his reflex would of come in to help her: not get on another chair pull her weight up to also hang himself. There are to many steps involved to allow me to believe an 8 year old child could process them all and complete this double suicide in the short time it happened. That's even saying he did this, which I do not believe happened MOO

Of course it is possible.
Against that is the alleged timeframe in which he had to act... His arrival from school and first call to EMT left him very little time.
That is IF he attended school that day..
Truth is that although everybody detests the mother and possibly with good reason, we don't really know her at all.
This case 'broke' quite late.
The optimal time to find info is from breaking news reports and immediate time afterwards.
We do not have that.
Even if she is stir crazy, surely she could have thought of a more efficient killing methodology?
The mother restored furniture. It's quite possible she worked in the basement and the chairs were already there..
There's a million ways to kill vulnerable children and adults, take them for a drive and push them off a cliff, for example and say they fell...
We still don't know whether any other adults were present in the house at the time, or close to the time, do we?

It's possible the basement was a torture chamber or a punishment zone of sorts and it went further than she planned.

I'm tired speculating on this one..
Without a clear map of the house interior showing beams, heights and everything else I feel am grasping at straws here...

It could be a long time coming to trial too if anybody is charged.
Yes, based on available info, practically zero, it appears as though she is the culprit but without solid facts or a decent investigation from a reputable news source I don't want to buy into it.
She allegedly 'left them hanging' but is it not possible that they were 'hung' by whatever tension had been applied to the lead that bound them and their feet were actually on the ground?
The mystery then becomes the source of this tension that was enough to asphyxiate them both..

I wonder at the depth of the neck marks on each child and whether one was greater than the other?
If that lead had been used as a type of pulley system?
Somebody pulled it ?
Could that not have brought about the injuries that led to their deaths?
Also, why did she call the EMT's so soon after the hangings?

They were able to restart respiration following intervention which suggests she called them very quickly?
More questions than answers and more speculation than real questions is all I can contribute until at least the autopsies become public info...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

As far as WHY people use the methods they do to kill others or WHY they did it this way, and not that way is repeatedly said by most in just about every single case on WS.

IDRK the answers since I do not have the same mindset of those who become murderers, and I never will.

All I do know is they do it in myriad of ways they personally select on an individual basis, and carry them out, whether it ever makes any sense to any of us who are not of the same mindset.

So I never question WHY they chose what they did or WHY they did it one way, and not another.

The most important thing to me ..anyway..is realizing they DO their evil deeds in many many different chosen ways, and seeing justice done for all of their victims, no matter how their killer chose to take their lives from them. I never try to second guess any murderer or the whys.

Murderers are all unique individuals as all of their victims are.

This mom who did nothing herself to save her own children may have already thought they were dead since they both were unconscious, which would mean they weren't moving.

Jmho

 

[pepper 34]

The timeline is so tight. I can see a child committing suicide because of bullying. It seems to happen a lot these days. But with the tight timeline, I don't see how the boy could have set up a complicated method of hanging. They leave school at 3:20 to 3:30pm. Get home at the earliest at 4pm. (I'm going by how long it took my kids to get home) then bam, they're dead?

And about those chairs, as an adult I have have trouble navigating my basement stairs with them. And I make a racket doing so. You would think mom would hear this.

Agree... unless the chairs were already down there "for some reason." I have not formed an opinion yet that I'm comfortable with but, my mind keeps wandering to the idea of punishment and bullying going on right at home. I keep thinking the day they were hung was not the first time those two little kids found themselves standing on chairs with a dog lead around their necks. If so... maybe Mom's attention was elsewhere for a little bit too long this time and it accidentally went too far. Maybe a phone call on one of her 3 phones came it? (People leave infants in baths for the phone, too.) Maybe took the call upstairs after warning them she wasn't finished with them yet and to be still; she'd be right back. Maybe the little girl slipped and fell and brother attempted to help her, thus hanging himself, as well. Reviving the children would have practically guaranteed the mother would be exposed because, certainly the children would have needed medical care even if they hung for only a half minute to a minute or so. The questioning and scrutiny from doctors and nurses would have been intense and, with the children eventually being able to tell what happened.... well, there it is. They had to go. So, the mother would do nothing to bring them back.
~Or... the mother coldly planned to kill her children and that's how she chose to set it up and do it.
Per MSM, the mother didn't talk about the dog the first time she was questioned by LE on the day of the deaths. She spoke of the dog the next time LE questioned her which I believe was the next day. Maybe she had a little time to think about things and knew LE didn't really buy the suicide-murder business. So, she spoke of a dog (alibi #2) and it might have been the dog that tipped the chairs over, she would say to LE... I got angry and just gave that dog away. Maybe LE has been told by someone else that there is no such dog... or there was a dog but it was awhile back and it was small or medium sized at best. If so, no wonder LE would want to weigh and measure the dog. If there was a dog even there that day which I doubt.
My comment is speculation.
ETA: After reading Kittythehare's comment just below my own I feel I should write a postscript. I have a tendency to speculate quite a bit. Kitty is right... the mother is innocent until proven guilty. I haven't decided either way about anything in this case as there is just not enough information to go on to make confident conclusions imo. I wanted to throw in what my thoughts have been over the past few days and that's all they are... thoughts. Thanks, Kitty for letting us know the mother refinishes furniture. Best reason I've heard so far for the dining room chairs being in the basement.

 

[kittythehare]

As far as WHY people use the methods they do to kill others or WHY they did it this way, and not that way is repeatedly said by most in just about every single case on WS.

IDRK the answers since I do not have the same mindset of those who become murderers, and I never will.

All I do know is they do it in myriad of ways they personally select on an individual basis, and carry them out, whether it ever makes any sense to any of us who are not of the same mindset.

So I never question WHY they chose what they did or WHY they did it one way, and not another.

The most important thing to me ..anyway..is realizing they DO their evil deeds in many many different chosen ways, and seeing justice done for all of their victims, no matter how their killer chose to take their lives from them. I never try to second guess any murderer or the whys.

Murderers are all unique individuals as all of their victims are.

This mom who did nothing herself to save her own children may have already thought they were dead since they both were unconscious, which would mean they weren't moving.

Jmho

The WHY is wholly appropriate in every case of sleuthing and it must be asked.
In this case we don't actually know what she did or didn't do if she found them hanging due to an act of somebody, not herself.
She is still innocent until proven guilty.
Where is the proof that she did nothing?
She did something.
She called for help very soon after the asphyxiation or they could not have been recussitated artifically.
Not soon enough to prevent brain death obviously but their condition could have worsened in hospital or secondary complications could have arisen.
We must ask why.
Because she has not been charged with a crime.

 

[kittythehare]

"Conner was a beloved member of the Greenwich Elementary School family who enjoyed his peers and teachers,” Superintendent Christian Temchatin said in a statement to The Daily Beast. “He is dearly missed and is fondly remembered for the smile he brought to all who knew him.”

The state Department of Human Services confirmed to The Daily Beast that “ongoing case management services” were previously provided to the Snyder family through Berks County Children and Youth Services—but declined to provide details.

Investigators also took two additional cellphones from Snyder after learning from her 17-year-old son that she had multiple phones, according to a search warrant. Another warrant, issued Oct. 2, called for locating the family’s dog, a 50-pound black husky/pit bull, that had been missing for the last week.


all above from-Mom: 8-Year-Old Was Bullied Before Being Found Dead With 4-Year-Old Sister

I'm just laughing here because the missing dog weighed 50lbs.. husky pitbull mix and they're producing everything from miniature jack russels to poodles on social media groups and offering them as proof (of something).. not sure what....LOL

 

[kittythehare]

a couple of reports have stated children were unconscious but in cardiac arrest when the paramedics arrived.. that suggests they were still breathing. Breathing is detectable on superficial visual inspection...

The children were unconscious and in cardiac arrest when they were found, but medics revived them en route to the hospital. However, on September 26, both children were removed from life support, dying within 14 minutes of each other.

A cause and manner of death is still pending.

No arrests have been made.
Pa. Boy Found With Sister Near Death in Basement Was 'Bullied,' 'Didn't Want To Go Alone': 911 Call

 

[Hippiemomof5]

On September 24th, my son was taken by ambulance after a nasty fall and suffered a major concussion. I just realized we were in the children’s ER at Lehigh hospital while the children were there on life support. It sends shivers down my spine.

Has it been stated how mom was when paramedics arrived? Was she hysterical? I try not to judge how people react in times of stress because we do all react differently... everytime one of our children have been hurt, my husband (or parents) has been there so I haven’t had to “jump into action,” and I truly can’t say, for certain, that I wouldn’t just freak out or shut down.

 

[ACE422]

Here is the 911 dispatch audio.

Berks County Children 911 Dispatch Call

MSM is stating the actual 911 call is available on broadcastify if anyone has access to that. I would be curious to know how LS sounded on that call and whether or not they requested LS to attempt to get the children down. I am sure that is a standard instruction that is given when someone calls 911 for a victim of hanging.

 

[katydid23]

Wasn’t there an older teenager? Could have picked the younger ones up from school.
Or could have been home sick. Don’t know if mom works. Guessing father is not in picture.

I was told that the teen had an alibi because he was at work. But I have not seen that in msm yet, although I believe it.

 

[kittythehare]

Here is the 911 dispatch audio.

Berks County Children 911 Dispatch Call

MSM is stating the actual 911 call is available on broadcastify if anyone has access to that. I would be curious to know how LS sounded on that call and whether or not they requested LS to attempt to get the children down. I am sure that is a standard instruction that is given when someone calls 911 for a victim of hanging.

well, not exactly.
It depends upon whether the hanging victim is alive or dead and that requires medical qualified certification.
Problem with this case is that info is merely been drip fed, even the warrants should not be strong enough for a judge to grant them... 'he was known to play games on his puterthingy...'. How rare is that, eh?

 

[ACE422]

well, not exactly.
It depends upon whether the hanging victim is alive or dead and that requires medical qualified certification.
Problem with this case is that info is merely been drip fed, even the warrants should not be strong enough for a judge to grant them... 'he was known to play games on his puterthingy...'. How rare is that, eh?

If the dispatcher believes there is a possibility of reviving them (ex. Mom saw them alive 15-20 minutes prior to discovering them hanging), I would assume they would want to attempt to do so. I know of cases where the person was clearly dead, but the caller was instructed to take them down and begin CPR. In absence of a medical professional on site, the safe thing to do would be to attempt resuscitation.

 

[kittythehare]

If the dispatcher believes there is a possibility of reviving them (ex. Mom saw them alive 15-20 minutes prior to discovering them hanging), I would assume they would want to attempt to do so. I know of cases where the person was clearly dead, but the caller was instructed to take them down and begin CPR. In absence of a medical professional on site, the safe thing to do would be to attempt resuscitation.

I apologize, I misread your post. (I had just read a post elsewhere claiming somebody was targeted by police for cutting down a hanging victim, saying it was a crime...)

 

[realanastasia]

The mother restored furniture. It's quite possible she worked in the basement and the chairs were already there.

I don’t think I’ve seen anything reported about the mother’s employment history, which makes me wonder why I have, up until now, believed that she was unemployed or a stay-at-home parent. It definitely seems relevant to the incident for the reason you provide above—are you able to share the source?

 

[kittythehare]

I don’t think I’ve seen anything reported about the mother’s employment history, which makes me wonder why I have, up until now, believed that she was unemployed or a stay-at-home parent. It definitely seems relevant to the incident for the reason you provide above—are you able to share the source?

I saw it on social media, she upscaled lots of furniture and sold them on, rather well, I thought. She was good at selling, I do not know whether the posts I saw came from her own facebook account which is now set to private, friends only or whether it was a general buy and sell publication.

 

[realanastasia]

If I go with the son did it, because as many have said it has happened before, what stops me from agreeing with that theory is that even if he coerced is younger sister to stand on a chair with a leash around her neck, he would have had to kick her chair out. Unless this boy is a psychopath I would think once she was hanging and moving about he would have freaked out and had second thoughts. Once he saw his sister I think his reflex would of come in to help her: not get on another chair pull her weight up to also hang himself. MOO

I feel like an idiot asking this question, but if BS was hung first from a cord thrown over a ceiling beam (that’s just my speculation, based on the exposed steel I-beams in my basement that support the first floors of many houses of this vintage and in this area of PA —it’s not been reported as fact), what would’ve kept the leash/cord from simply being pulled over the beam by her weight? Even if CS had a good grip on the other end, how could he have managed to maintain that tension while simultaneously rigging himself up to the other end of the cord? I just have trouble envisioning how the logistics of this would work unless both stepped off/were pushed off of their chairs more or less simultaneously...
Speculation and MOO!

 

[kittythehare]

The Childrens' Obituary is up.
It is posted from a funeral home.
It contains some beautiful photographs of their lives at various stages.
It states that the service will be a private affair.
Beware, there is music on site and it's making me weepy.
Obituary for Conner S. and Brinley L. Snyder | Robert S. Nester Funeral Home

 

[kittythehare]

I feel like an idiot asking this question, but if BS was hung first from a cord thrown over a ceiling beam (that’s just my speculation, based on the exposed steel I-beams in my basement that support the first floors of many houses of this vintage and in this area of PA —it’s not been reported as fact), what would’ve kept the leash/cord from simply being pulled over the beam by her weight? Even if CS had a good grip on the other end, how could he have managed to maintain that tension while simultaneously rigging himself up to the other end of the cord? I just have trouble envisioning how the logistics of this would work unless both stepped off/were pushed off of their chairs more or less simultaneously...
Speculation and MOO!

No clear reports on how it was actually set up at all, far as I know.
I'm not buying the suicide murder theory.
Not sure what states they were in just before hanging either.. that's why the autopsies are so important.. the hanging could have been a deflection from some other actions taken against them.

 

[Seattle1]

 

[MsFacetious]

I googled because I couldn’t picture what this meant. I think this is probably pretty accurate although size/length may vary.

Yes, this is what I had linked earlier... I had assumed it's what they meant. Just because a leash or chain made no sense to me. A tie out cable is just so simple to use.

This a bad representation of what I think was done. Ends wrapped around necks and secured with clasps. Get rid of the ring and just put clasp around lead.

Yes. You hook it to itself. In a noose. That is how you would hook the cable to a tree, or a post, or a railing that you were attaching the dog to.

Between this case and the one where the 9 yr old started(?) the fire, I had to send my hinky meter in for an overhaul, it done WORE OUT.

Standing outside while your babies die in a fire.
Standing there while your babies hang from the rafters.

I cannot grasp either of these situations.

Of course. Especially if those are your own babies. It’s ridiculous that she just let them swing in the wind like that. Any real mom would be desperate to cut them down and try to breathe life into them.

Not even a mom. Just a HUMAN. I would guess that if any of us here came upon this scene, we'd have taken them down. There's no way any normal human being is going to let a 4 year old girl hang from the rafters. She's tiny. You can get her down!

Even so...it seems way too complex for an 8 year old to think up and carry out. And where’s the dog? Why did mom not reveal all the phones she had? Why did she leave her precious babies hanging like that from the rafters instead of immediately rushing to cut them down? There was still a bit of life in them when the paramedics cut them down which means there would’ve been even more had she not just waited for emergency services to arrive and had actually done what ANY innocent human who has the physical ability to move, and to think normally, would’ve done.

I've wondered several times if they would have survived if she'd taken them down immediately.
It may have still been too late, I don't know. But that would haunt me if I was family.
It's also haunted me that I hope no family responded to the 911 call. I'm guessing they did not.... but I hope that is true. That is always awful when family has to see family like that.

 

[Deleted member 278]

Apologies if this has already been posted. Just got up and haven't read what I missed from yesterday.

Obituary for Conner S. and Brinley L. Snyder | Robert S. Nester Funeral Home

Conner S. Snyder, 8, and Brinley L. Snyder, 4, both of Kempton, PA. passed away on September 26, 2019 at Lehigh Valley Hospital Cedar Crest, Allentown, PA. They were both born in Allentown, PA. Conner was a third-grade student in the Greenwich Elementary School, Krumsville, PA. Brinley was in her second year of Pre-K at Early Learning Community, Kutztown, PA. In addition to their parents, survivors include a brother, maternal grandparents, great-grandparents, an aunt and several cousins. A private service will be held at the convenience of the family.