PA - Conner, 8, & Brinley Snyder, 4, found hung, later died, Kempton, 23 Sept 2019 *Arrest*

[kittythehare]

I the incident response time from Berks County’s website and here are the times for the 911 call which was categorized - Helicopter Standby

call received- 4:30
dispatched-4:32
enroute-4:34
arrived-4:41
cleared-8:36

Thank you Kerry Miller for your research!

Cleared 8. 36..but did it indicate any time for ambulances or air ambulance leaving the house with the children, I'm curious about how long they spent inside and whether the Fire dept needed to play an active role in freeing the children?

 

[millermills]

Cleared 8. 36..but did it indicate any time for ambulances or air ambulance leaving the house with the children, I'm curious about how long they spent inside and whether the Fire dept needed to play an active role in freeing the children?

It states in news articles EMTs found C and B hanging. I hate rumors and this case is rampant with them on social media .. but from everything I read , it is reported they were.

 

[katydid23]

Has LE talked to classmates, teachers, friends, etc of the 8 yr old son to determine if he was indeed being bullied.

I am going to guess that he probably was being somewhat bullied, being a bigger kid. Overweight kids are often bullied, although some more than others.

 

[Backstroke10]

I am going to guess that he probably was being somewhat bullied, being a bigger kid. Overweight kids are often bullied, although some more than others.

Yes, that makes sense. I just have a hard time believing what the mother said, about him wanting to kill himself but not wanting to do it alone. I'm paraphrasing.

 

[downwardspiral]

FB groups have found child support cases - seems to be
LS v Father 1
LS v Father 2
CYS v LS
I’ll wait to know if I can upload docs

 

[katydid23]

Yes, that makes sense. I just have a hard time believing what the mother said, about him wanting to kill himself but not wanting to do it alone. I'm paraphrasing.

Oh, I totally agree. He may have been bullied and he may have even threatened to harm himself---but I dont believe for a second that he rigged up that side by side hanging with his baby sister and pulled it off himself. JMO

 

[Backstroke10]

Oh, I totally agree. He may have been bullied and he may have even threatened to harm himself---but I dont believe for a second that he rigged up that side by side hanging with his baby sister and pulled it off himself. JMO

BBM Exactly! There's no way. MOO

 

[downwardspiral]

edited - was messaged this probably wouldn’t be allowed here . Sorry !

 

[claudianunes]

I am going to guess that he probably was being somewhat bullied, being a bigger kid. Overweight kids are often bullied, although some more than others.

Some locals that have kids who attended the school Conner attended have stated that he was a popular kid and that the other kids liked him.

 

[gitana1]

Totally agree. My reply was more directed to the poster who wondered why you would have more than one cell. There's a million scenarios to answer that one. What stands out to me is the 17 year old knew about them, so it was no secret *in that household*.

What stands out to me is mom didn’t reveal them all. Her son did.

 

[gitana1]

Cleared 8. 36..but did it indicate any time for ambulances or air ambulance leaving the house with the children, I'm curious about how long they spent inside and whether the Fire dept needed to play an active role in freeing the children?

Me too. That’s what’s being discussed elsewhere. Whether mom sat by and did nothing or whether she couldn’t get them down and neither could EMS and they needed the fire department to do so.

I’m just trying to understand how those kids were hung. If it’s the kind of leash I’m imagining it has a lock clasp thing at each end. The wire couldn’t form a loop/noose around a neck easily without the lock clasp mechanism being involved. Even with tension pulling the chain I believe the clasp could be opened. Getting the tense chain through the opening would be another matter I guess.

But we need to know how those kids were hung to figure out whether mom could’ve gotten them down.

 

[CSIDreamer]

What stands out to me is mom didn’t reveal them all. Her son did.

That's what I was trying to say. I'm so bad at wording sometimes. Thanks for the good wording lol.

 

[gitana1]

It states in news articles EMTs found C and B hanging. I hate rumors and this case is rampant with them on social media .. but from everything I read , it is reported they were.

But does it say anywhere that EMT’s could not get them down? There’s been tons of rumor on social media and I’m finding much has no basis in anything at all.

 

[gitana1]

BBM Exactly! There's no way. MOO

Yeah. He was 8. Poor thing. He wasn’t Houdini. I can’t get past that.

 

[TTF14]

Me too. That’s what’s being discussed elsewhere. Whether mom sat by and did nothing or whether she couldn’t get them down and neither could EMS and they needed the fire department to do so.

I’m just trying to understand how those kids were hung. If it’s the kind of leash I’m imagining it has a lock clasp thing at each end. The wire couldn’t form a loop/noose around a neck easily without the lock clasp mechanism being involved. Even with tension pulling the chain I believe the clasp could be opened. Getting the tense chain through the opening would be another matter I guess.

But we need to know how those kids were hung to figure out whether mom could’ve gotten them down.

I'm not sure you're understanding how these work exactly. I think it would be incredibly easy for someone to pull this off, and I actually hate that it might be giving people easy ideas about how to die by suicide!

 

[downwardspiral]

Edited - sorry just found out I can’t post this here

 

[gitana1]

Some locals that have kids who attended the school Conner attended have stated that he was a popular kid and that the other kids liked him.

And the principal gave a media interview about how he was a beloved member of the school, for whatever that’s worth.

 

[downwardspiral]

But does it say anywhere that EMT’s could not get them down? There’s been tons of rumor on social media and I’m finding much has no basis in anything at all.

Seen this speculated as well. The claim is first responders needed some type of assistance to get them down. Will continue to try to verify

 

[kittythehare]

Me too. That’s what’s being discussed elsewhere. Whether mom sat by and did nothing or whether she couldn’t get them down and neither could EMS and they needed the fire department to do so.

I’m just trying to understand how those kids were hung. If it’s the kind of leash I’m imagining it has a lock clasp thing at each end. The wire couldn’t form a loop/noose around a neck easily without the lock clasp mechanism being involved. Even with tension pulling the chain I believe the clasp could be opened. Getting the tense chain through the opening would be another matter I guess.

But we need to know how those kids were hung to figure out whether mom could’ve gotten them down.

There is no evidence she sat outside smoking the entire time. She was allegedly seen outside crying nad smoking and on her phone AFTER the emergency services had entered. That's not the same thing. There is no way to know right now anything about the complexity or simplicity of the mechanism, the size or depth of the alleged dog chain, or the nature of the scene discovered when medics and or fire crews entered the space.

 

[Seattle1]

Some locals that have kids who attended the school Conner attended have stated that he was a popular kid and that the other kids liked him.

I think it's difficult for kids that young to fake emotion for their classmate. The life celebration and balloon launch on Conner's 9th birthday seemed to me to corroborate your statement that he was popular and liked.

I wonder if he was bullied online? Was he playing video games in chat rooms/groups (however that works)? I'm not confident there was much adult supervision there in his home....