PA - Conner, 8, & Brinley Snyder, 4, found hung, later died, Kempton, 23 Sept 2019 *Arrest*

[lonetraveler]

I feel like an idiot asking this question, but if BS was hung first from a cord thrown over a ceiling beam (that’s just my speculation, based on the exposed steel I-beams in my basement that support the first floors of many houses of this vintage and in this area of PA —it’s not been reported as fact), what would’ve kept the leash/cord from simply being pulled over the beam by her weight? Even if CS had a good grip on the other end, how could he have managed to maintain that tension while simultaneously rigging himself up to the other end of the cord? I just have trouble envisioning how the logistics of this would work unless both stepped off/were pushed off of their chairs more or less simultaneously...
Speculation and MOO!

I've given this some thought as well and just can not visualize being able to rig the cable around the smallest child while rigging yourself as you have described without wrapping the cable at least twice around the beam first. This would keep the weight of the smaller child from pulling on the cable. I wonder what the ceiling height is in the basement. Wish we had more information.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Oh my god, someone would have to have a very disturbed mind to even consider this a form of punishment for any living being.

I'm not sure they would have to have a very disturbed mind to do this kind of inhumane punishment. An evil mind, and evil intentions only has to be present.

Unfortunately we see countless others do very sadistic acts against children, and adults.

It's extremely rare for any offender to be declared mentally ill. Iirc, only 1 to 3% of all offenders everywhere in the country even try that defense with only 1% in total being successful.

Evil is present in the mind, and evil actions are in most all violent offenders. It was the driving force for them to do the horrifying inhumane acts they did against all of their innocent targeted victims.

While goodness still abounds in many humans so does pure diabolical evil exist in offenders of violent crimes.

Sadly, we at WS have repeatedly seen those horrors come to light over, and over again.

I have even mentioned previously how even though our violent crime rate has drastically declined overall in the past 6 years, the MOs of those who do commit violent crimes have changed. Imo.

Recently we are seeing some of the most horrific brutal overkills imaginable now even being done by total strangers now along with those who knew the victims.

It includes the way children are being unbelievably wilfully neglected, grossly abused in every form imaginable, and the way they are being murdered, and how it's being covered up including the disposal of their little bodies. Ugh.

More, and more are becoming macabre, maybe only seen in third world countries.

Jmho

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm not sure if this is allowed, or if someone else thought this already. Could this be a punishment of sorts and the children became frantic and the chairs toppled, leaving them dangling? Could it have started with tippy toes on chairs, attached to dog lead but the little one's toes slipped, chair went tumbling. Older on trying to call for help, topples own chair and hearing a ruckus, mom comes down and finds them and calls 911, immediately tries to cast blame on son?

I originally posted a "punishment" method very early on this case. It was the very first thought I had actually.

 

[oviedo]

I agree. I have come upon a scene where two teens who had just died (or were thought to be dead) after hitting a tree. I had had training at professional rescue level for first responders for my non-first responder job. I can easily say that my first reaction was to stop, look away, and forget my training. The scene wasn't grizzly--no blood, just two still slightly contorted bodies-- and it took me 15 seconds or so to move beyond it and attempt to provide care. I knew they were someone's children and I knew I should attempt to do what I could but it was hard because another motorist and I provided care until LE arrived. I was so glad that they continued CPR and I did not have to--when EMS arrived they were determined to be deceased. I am not sure if I came upon my children hanging that I would not have the same instinct to run away. I can't imagine cutting them down. If she cut one down, then the other would fall and "get hurt". I think it is easy to question her actions (or, as some might say motives) but it is not easy. I watched and cared for both of my parents as they died----it was expected, I had witnessed the process, AND it was still very difficult to be there but I was because I was their daughter and felt compelled to usher them into their death.

I have no idea what kind of person this woman is or what kind of parent she is but I do know we all can think of what we would do but being there is a totally different thing. It is why LE and first responders often have so many psych issues after responding to certain situations.

But I don't think she had to 'cut them down" - the leash had fasteners that could be unsnapped - I can see a delay in shock if you are seeing this set up for the first time ever but then your mom instincts kick in - and you grab your little one's legs, and unhook her, lay her down and then unhook the boy IMO. The fight would be which one do administer CPR to first? that would be the tough choice IMO.

I suspect LE is asking for the public's help to assist with determining motive for this - either the boy did it, or someone else did IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

But I don't think she had to 'cut them down" - the leash had fasteners that could be unsnapped - I can see a delay in shock if you are seeing this set up for the first time ever but then your mom instincts kick in - and you grab your little one's legs, and unhook her, lay her down and then unhook the boy IMO. The fight would be which one do administer CPR to first? that would be the tough choice IMO.

I suspect LE is asking for the public's help to assist with determining motive for this - either the boy did it, or someone else did IMO.

Exactly, I don’t think normal behavior is to pronounce your kids dead and just leave them hanging.

One of several problematic details here.

 

[kaen]

But I don't think she had to 'cut them down" - the leash had fasteners that could be unsnapped - I can see a delay in shock if you are seeing this set up for the first time ever but then your mom instincts kick in - and you grab your little one's legs, and unhook her, lay her down and then unhook the boy IMO. The fight would be which one do administer CPR to first? that would be the tough choice IMO.

I suspect LE is asking for the public's help to assist with determining motive for this - either the boy did it, or someone else did IMO.

I believe that I would do just that. But, I can see that someone might be so horrified, thinking they were dead.

 

[gitana1]

I'm not sure they would have to have a very disturbed mind to do this kind of inhumane punishment. An evil mind, and evil intentions only has to be present.

Unfortunately we see countless others do very sadistic acts against children, and adults.

It's extremely rare for any offender to be declared mentally ill. Iirc, only 1 to 3% of all offenders everywhere in the country even try that defense with only 1% in total being successful.

Evil is present in the mind, and evil actions are in most all violent offenders. It was the driving force for them to do the horrifying inhumane acts they did against all of their innocent targeted victims.

While goodness still abounds in many humans so does pure diabolical evil exist in offenders of violent crimes.

Sadly, we at WS have repeatedly seen those horrors come to light over, and over again.

I have even mentioned previously how even though our violent crime rate has drastically declined overall in the past 6 years, the MOs of those who do commit violent crimes have changed. Imo.

Recently we are seeing some of the most horrific brutal overkills imaginable now even being done by total strangers now along with those who knew the victims.

It includes the way children are being unbelievably wilfully neglected, grossly abused in every form imaginable, and the way they are being murdered, and how it's being covered up including the disposal of their little bodies. Ugh.

More, and more are becoming macabre, maybe only seen in third world countries.

Jmho

If you mean when it comes to brutal treatment of people in third world countries like prisoners or political opponents, I’m with you. But we’ve held our own when it comes to parents or guardians torturing children. It’s been that way since the colonies. And has continued on.

Horrific cases in the 1800’s. In the 50’s. The 70’s. The 80’s. So many gruesome cases involving kids.

 

[MassGuy]

If you mean when it comes to brutal treatment of people in third world countries like prisoners or political opponents, I’m with you. But we’ve held our own when it comes to parents or guardians torturing children. It’s been that way since the colonies. And has continued on.

Horrific cases in the 1800’s. In the 50’s. The 70’s. The 80’s. So many gruesome cases involving kids.

Yeah. And our instant access to news, highlights these instances of abuse.

That wasn’t the case decades ago.

Everything just seems worse now, because we are aware of it.

 

[TTF14]

Exactly, I don’t think normal behavior is to pronounce your kids dead and just leave them hanging.

One of several problematic details here.

I would probably further harm my children in my frenzied attempt to get them down! It is NOT normal to do nothing!

 

[MassGuy]

I would probably further harm my children in my frenzied attempt to get them down! It is NOT normal to do nothing!

Exactly. And it’s not simply a matter of we would do, it’s a matter of what most people would do.

Most people try and save their kids lives in this situation.

Incidentally, any effort on her part might have actually done this. Those kids were still in a condition where they were able to be hooked up to life support, and that’s with all those wasted minutes while they were left hanging.

 

[Seattle1]

'People are upset'
Dark clouds looming over the village last week symbolized the somber mood of the residents.

Some residents were angry and frustrated. Others were speechless.

Locals at the Kempton Hotel, an inn dating to 1874, said they are anxiously waiting to hear the results of the police investigation.

Folk said the regulars are talking about the deaths and wondering what will happen.

“I don't want to speculate about the results of the investigation,” Folk said. “Everything will all come out. They should be doing a thorough investigation.”

JC, 70, an employee at the hotel, expressed anger that the public does not know what happened.

“Everyone wants to know what happened,” Conrath snapped. “It's crazy.”

At Albright's Mill, a grain manufacturer on Kistler Valley Road in the heart of the village, the workers declined to comment, as did employees at Rabert's Sunoco, a gas station across the street from the Snyder residence.

About a mile up the road from Kempton, employees at Wanamakers General Store in Lynn Township, Lehigh County, said they were devastated by the deaths.

Employee HD, 18, a Kutztown University freshman, said the community is suffering a tremendous loss.

“People are upset,” Dunkelberger said. “I don't really think everyone knows how to cope with this. This is a small community. For whatever happened, I want justice. I understand that information cannot be released.”

[...]

“If anyone knows anything about the deaths, even if you don't think it's a big deal, please contact the police,” Beohm said.

District Attorney John T. Adams said he cannot release additional details at this point.

Adams said he hopes to have answers for the community on the results of the state police investigation.

Kempton: a community in mourning over deaths of children

Individual names edited by me.

 

[Hippiemomof5]

I know I said I was reserving judgment but I just keep thinking about Diana Downs and how she “rushed” her kids to the ER, and there was a witness who testified that he passed her on old Mohawk road because she was driving so slow.

 

[gitana1]

Exactly. And it’s not simply a matter of we would do, it’s a matter of what most people would do.

Most people try and save their kids lives in this situation.

Incidentally, any effort on her part might have actually done this. Those kids were still in a condition where they were able to be hooked up to life support, and that’s with all those wasted minutes while they were left hanging.

Right. I mean all of us have probably heard enough 911 calls involving hurt children or even adults and the almost universal attempts to save them by whoever is calling.

So much so that most peeps even know they have to fake that they tried to revive the dying or dead person.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Exactly, I don’t think normal behavior is to pronounce your kids dead and just leave them hanging.

One of several problematic details here.

Exactly.

LE is going to include in their ongoing investigation asking anyone with information BEFORE the children are hung to please come forward.

Retracing prior events they may know about concerning what had really happened or what had transpired inside of the home before the two children were found hung from the basement rafters in their own home.

Imo, they will first extensively interview the son/older brother about what he saw, and knows. Then they will widen out to all other witnesses.

Imo, there were dark secrets inside of this home behind closed doors.

I believe now due to the gravity their brother is willing to expose what he knows. Imo.

Jmho tho

 

[Deleted member 278]

I'm sure the 17 year old is telling all since he's the one that told LE mom had three phones. I think someone stated earlier that he's living with relatives.

 

[pepper 34]

I saw it on social media, she upscaled lots of furniture and sold them on, rather well, I thought. She was good at selling, I do not know whether the posts I saw came from her own facebook account which is now set to private, friends only or whether it was a general buy and sell publication.

Looking on Google Earth, (2019 image) there are piles of wooden materials set out by the garage and appear ready to go out to the trash or "heavy pick up day" or brought to dump by private party. Looks like she might refinish cabinets, too... although it's hard to see what it all is. It does look like home improvement "trash" that is created as projects are being done.
I remember thinking, "Oh.. she may have a boyfriend doing work around her house." (Sexist... sorry... what's more, I do that sort of stuff myself so I shouldn't assume other women don't do projects around the house, too.)
But, now, I'd say she's kind of handy herself (if she does refinish furniture, etc.)
Some yard work being done on right, front side of house, too. Looks like re-sodding job.

 

[Deleted member 278]

Obituary for Conner S. and Brinley L. Snyder | Robert S. Nester Funeral Home

Tributes from "Mom" on obit

 

[Wild Rose]

You always state things so beautifully. I'm sorry you were one of those children . I can't even begin to fathom a life like that .

Agree, so very sorry.

 

[grillzgirl]

I keep coming back to this thread hoping for an arrest, information, something.

 

[Deleted member 278]

Looking on Google Earth, (2019 image) there are piles of wooden materials set out by the garage and appear ready to go out to the trash or "heavy pick up day" or brought to dump by private party. Looks like she might refinish cabinets, too... although it's hard to see what it all is. It does look like home improvement "trash" that is created as projects are being done.
I remember thinking, "Oh.. she may have a boyfriend doing work around her house." (Sexist... sorry... what's more, I do that sort of stuff myself so I shouldn't assume other women don't do projects around the house, too.)
But, now, I'd say she's kind of handy herself (if she does refinish furniture, etc.)
Some yard work being done on right, front side of house, too. Looks like re-sodding job.

Is that the google earth image that shows two cop cars in driveway?