GUILTY PA - Cpl. Bryon Dickson, 38, slain, 2nd trooper injured, Blooming Grove, 12 Sept 2014

  • #601
I wish I could have been in the crowd shouting at him but the crowd covered about all the names I would call him if I could. I especially liked: you're not good enough to be in the military. Paraphrasing because I can't find a video for exact quote. I bet that one really stung.
 
  • #602
I didn't like the name calling BUT I did really like that comment too.

I don't like the wording of "entered no plea" as that is sometimes called an Alford plea but I don't think that is what was meant.

I am pretty sure the citation you are referring to is upthread.

I am a bit worried because I cannot find a single source to confirm the confession and it sounds a bit like hearsay. That should be big news!
 
  • #603
PK,

Please forgive me for being obtuse but I truly do not understand your post either in part or in whole. How have the PSP missed their glory? What was squandered? Meaning of skeptic public eye? And who underestimated the intelligence of whom?

TIA

I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but I figured I would share the impression I got from the original post, as I actually read the comment as a good compliment to your own. That is assuming this is the one you were referring to:

It's a shame really. PSP garnered so much public support over the last month & a half over this heinous crime, that this could have been a shining moment to an ever growing skeptic public eye. Truly a squandered opportunity. I think he grossly underestimated the intelligence of the viewing audience.

I read it to mean that it would be a shame if PSP intentionally roughed up Frein (and then lied about it), because PSP had otherwise conducted themselves in a professional manner throughout this ordeal. As to the "growing skeptic public eye," I assumed that referred to increasingly vocal public outcry about police misconduct - and, possibly, use of force, more specifically. LE taking Frein not only alive, but also entirely unharmed, could be considered a "shining moment," so to speak, for PSP and the broader LE community. A timely counterpoint to what happened in Ferguson, for example. What may have been squandered was that high-profile opportunity to conduct themselves in a way that, though a small step, helped regain confidence and reduce skepticism about police (mis)conduct. (Of course, there is a legitimate racial component to this topic, but that's for another conversation.) Lastly, I read the final sentence as meaning that the trooper at the press conference grossly underestimated the intelligence of the viewing audience when he told us that the "scratch" preexisted Frein's capture - i.e., "you expected us to believe that?!"

P.Falk - I apologize in advance if I put any words in your mouth and please correct anything I incorrectly interpreted or misconstrued!
 
  • #604
thanks a lot jns!!!
 
  • #605
You're welcome, TDW! :) Hopefully I can help with some of your other questions, as well.

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Anyone else find it odd that he did not have legal representation?

All JMO, but it wasn't surprising to me that he was not represented at the preliminary arraignment. It's very unlikely that he would have been appointed a public defender yet. So in order for him to have representation at today's proceeding, his family would likely have had to proactively retain an attorney for him during the manhunt, and said attorney would have had to be available this morning or ask for a continuance.

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I don't like the wording of "entered no plea" as that is sometimes called an Alford plea but I don't think that is what was meant.

No need to worry. The language in that article is unclear/misleading. Frein "entered no plea" because a plea is not entered at a preliminary arraignment in Pennsylania.

If you want to read the actual code provision on preliminary arraignments, you can find it here: http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/234/chapter5/s540.html

But here's the gist in layman terms:
A preliminary arraignment, which generally occurs within six hours after the arrest, is when the defendant is read the charges against him or her.

The defendant must appear before the MDJ with the police for a preliminary arraignment.

The defendant is given a copy of the criminal complaint and advised of his/her rights, including to be represented by an attorney. A date for the preliminary hearing will be set and the defendant will be notified.
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/porta..._process/14654/preliminary_arraignment/597140
 
  • #606
I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but I figured I would share the impression I got from the original post, as I actually read the comment as a good compliment to your own. That is assuming this is the one you were referring to:



I read it to mean that it would be a shame if PSP intentionally roughed up Frein (and then lied about it), because PSP had otherwise conducted themselves in a professional manner throughout this ordeal. As to the "growing skeptic public eye," I assumed that referred to increasingly vocal public outcry about police misconduct - and, possibly, use of force, more specifically. LE taking Frein not only alive, but also entirely unharmed, could be considered a "shining moment," so to speak, for PSP and the broader LE community. A timely counterpoint to what happened in Ferguson, for example. What may have been squandered was that high-profile opportunity to conduct themselves in a way that, though a small step, helped regain confidence and reduce skepticism about police (mis)conduct. (Of course, there is a legitimate racial component to this topic, but that's for another conversation.) Lastly, I read the final sentence as meaning that the trooper at the press conference grossly underestimated the intelligence of the viewing audience when he told us that the "scratch" preexisted Frein's capture - i.e., "you expected us to believe that?!"

P.Falk - I apologize in advance if I put any words in your mouth and please correct anything I incorrectly interpreted or misconstrued!

Thanks! I was clearly too vague.
 
  • #607
Day 51

1) Insight from Two Attorneys, including a Retired Judge:

Fri., Oct. 31st: http://timesleader.com/news/local-news/50602036/Execution-venue-could-complicate-Frein-case

2) 15 Page Criminal Complaint & Affidavit of Probable Cause:

Oct. 8th: http://www.scribd.com/doc/245107513/Eric-Frein-criminal-complaint

3) Archives:

Fri., Oct. 31st: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/10/trooper-killing_suspect_eric_f.html

4) Death Row in PA:

Aug. 19th: http://www.wfmz.com/news/15-years-without-an-execution-the-death-penalty-in-pennsylvania/27624058

5) Updates on Specific PA Death Row Inmates:

Oct. 24th: http://www.cncpunishment.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?79-Pennsylvania-Male-Death-Row-Inmates

6) Follow the Lower Court Criminal Docket Sheet:

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docketsheets/MDJReport.ashx?docketNumber=MJ-60302-CR-0000207-2014


May Prompt Justice Be Served.
 
  • #608
A couple of things I find odd about this whole case:

--Frein's history, which suggests an intelligence/military background.

--The fact that he is alleged to have kept a journal confessing to his crimes while on the run.

--The lack of any discernible motive.


Prediction:

You can rule the death penalty out. He will take a plea deal to avoid it. That will negate a long trial where unpleasant facts may come out.

His parent's homeowner's insurance policy will cover any damages assigned as a result of any civil lawsuits.
 
  • #609
A couple of things I find odd about this whole case:

--Frein's history, which suggests an intelligence/military background.

--The fact that he is alleged to have kept a journal confessing to his crimes while on the run.

--The lack of any discernible motive.


Prediction:

You can rule the death penalty out. He will take a plea deal to avoid it. That will negate a long trial where unpleasant facts may come out.

His parent's homeowner's insurance policy will cover any damages assigned as a result of any civil lawsuits.

I'm with you on the first prediction. A week ago, I thought for sure he'd resist arrest and never be captured alive. To me, identifying himself by his own name and then peacefully surrendering suggests that he knew his game would eventually end and his consequences would begin.

On your second prediction, I agree in part. But his parents' homeowners insurance likely has an intentional acts clause, which could bar coverage of damages in personal injury or wrongful death suits brought by the troopers or their families. Though I admit that I'm less than familiar with PA case law on the issue.
 
  • #610
We don't know what would have happened if Frein had been armed at the time of his capture.

It's up to the DA whether he will offer or accept any plea deal. Right now I can see motives for either decision. At this point he has committed himself to the public to seek the death penalty which is what John Q Public's outrage wants. The wheels of justice turn slowly tho, perhaps at a later time there may be more motivation to save the expense of a trial.

I don't find his passion for the military and it's history etc odd per se. What I do find out of kilter is his spotty work history, living in his parent's basement and amassing weaponry or the materials one would use as weaponry. Did he use his father's guns out of ready convenience or is he ineligible to purchase guns legally?

moo
 
  • #611
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It's up to the DA whether he will offer or accept any plea deal. Right now I can see motives for either decision. At this point he has committed himself to the public to seek the death penalty which is what John Q Public's outrage wants. The wheels of justice turn slowly tho, perhaps at a later time there may be more motivation to save the expense of a trial.

You make a good point. I would wager that in most cases, the DA places the death penalty on the table for the very purpose of incentivizing the defendant to accept any offer that takes it off the table. Thus, the "we plan to seek the death penalty" statement is rarely a "commitment." But I did initially overlook the fact that this might be the rare case in which the prosecution refuses to ever take the death penalty off the table.
 
  • #612
I'm not sure how things work in PA so I am speaking in general.

I was also thinking about the political aspect of this case regarding the DA's decision. If the DA has political ambitions, winning a trial with the death penalty could be very advantageous to him. This one is particularly juicy.

After all that has taken place, the time, the money, the consequences in the community, I don't think the public would be very happy with LWOP where he would serve his time in the general population.
They want to see him on death row in a small cell for 23 hours a day, isolated, without tv, privileges (work, classes etc) with the specter of the needle hanging over him.
The hunt for him and all that entailed almost demands it.

Otherwise I generally agree with you regarding the death penalty being a bargaining tool and an effective one.

.....I asked my other half. When I can digest, condense and summarize his perspective which is very different than my comments, I will share that. But he says that they HAVE to go after him with all they have got...no bargaining at all.

more moo
 
  • #613
Frein files for public defender. No one has visited.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/accused-cop-killer-eric-freins-life-jail/story?id=26659852

Are you surprised? I am. I would have guessed that his parents would have visited. But then, the article says nothing about phone calls.

Another article is doing ballistics testing:

http://6abc.com/news/police-testing-rifle-found-at-frein-hideout/378616/

Sister comment:

http://news.yahoo.com/suspected-pennsylvania-snipers-sister-questions-arrest-details-193733750.html

Can Frein get fair trial?

http://www.mcall.com/mc-pa-frein-manhunt-defense-20141031-story.html#page=1
 
  • #614
PA - Eric Matthew Frein, W/M/31, 1st Degree Murder+, 12 Sep '14

Day 53

1) Mon., Nov. 3rd: http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20141103/NEWS/141109840

2) 15 Page Criminal Complaint & Affidavit of Probable Cause:

Wed., Oct. 8th: http://www.scribd.com/doc/245107513/Eric-Frein-criminal-complaint

3) Media Archives:

Fri., Oct. 31st: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/10/trooper-killing_suspect_eric_f.html

4) Your One-Click Source* Of Lower Court:

Charges --- No Bail --- Motions --- Court Dates --- Advancement to Upper Court

*Lower Court Criminal Docket Sheet:

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docketsheets/MDJReport.ashx?docketNumber=MJ-60302-CR-0000207-2014

18 § 2502 §§ A (H1) :: Murder Of The First Degree
18 § 901 §§ A (H1) :: Criminal Attempt - Murder Of The First Degree [3 Counts]
18 § 2507 §§ A (H1) :: Murder of A Law Enforcement Officer of the First Degree
18 § 2702.1 §§ A (F1) :: Assault of Law Enforcement Officer
18 § 2716 §§ A (F2) :: Weapons of Mass Destruction - Unlawful Possession or Manufacture [2 Counts]
18 § 2707.1 §§ A (F3) :: Discharge Of A Firearm Into Occupied Structure
18 § 907 §§ A (M1) :: Possession Instrument Of Crime With Intent to Employ It Criminally
18 § 2705 (M2) :: Recklessly Endangering Another Person

Grades of PA Crimes:
H1 = Heinous; H2
F1 = Felony of 1st Degree; F2; F3
M1 = Misdemeanor of 1st Degree; M2; M3
S = Summary

*"Recent Entries made in the Court Filing Offices may not be
immediately reflected on these Docket Sheets..."

Pre-Trial Confinement in Pike County Prison, Without Bail, Since Friday, October 31st.

Historically, Most PA Cases Like These Are Closed-Out in Lower, Magisterial District Court,
then Advanced, with a New Docket Number, to Upper Courts of Common Pleas.


May Prompt Justice Be Served.
 
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more details on his cache:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/eric-frein-religious-texts-dvds-airport-hangar/story?id=26703954

He must not have been able to get online the day of his capture; as I recall they had announced the search at the resort.

It surprised me that he had his laptop but if I think about it, I should not be.

I don't know if I am typical or not but if I were leaving my home and could only take a few things, I know I would grab my laptop. Would you?
 
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