PA PA - Ellen Greenberg, 27, Philly teacher’s brutal stabbing, ruled suicide but possible homicide, Jan 2011

[Kaley Smith]

Sounds like murder. Common sense. Multiple stab wounds decides it for me.

 

[snarast]

Seems like murder. Door latch lock could have been broken at an earlier time.

She didn't mention abuse to anyone. If it happened, and she didn't mention it, it's quite likely that she was ashamed of the situation and hoped to sort it out herself.

Only person in the apartment was her husband. He went to the gym for 35 minutes. He returned. He was frantic and acted upset before he knew she was deceased. He announced it was suicide. He staged the body. His family removed her electronics.

Who arranged crime scene clean up ... was it apartment manager at the request of his family?

The apartment manager, who is featured prominently in the 603 doc, was very affected by Ellen’s death. She stood guard after Ellen had been pronounced dead and accompanied Ellen out to the car that went straight to the morgue.

She received a phone call that night or in the morning after Ellen died, asking if the police was done and the Schwartzmann’s could pick up Essentials that were understandably overlooked the day before.

She checked with the police who said sure it’s not a crime scene - and here’s the number to the crime scene clean up crew - go ahead and have it cleaned to minimise the horrible experience of having to walk around where your relative (to be) had bled out on the floor.

That officer was sure it was unaliving. I am not sure how, but he/she was.

IMHOO

 

[otto]

The apartment manager, who is featured prominently in the 603 doc, was very affected by Ellen’s death. She stood guard after Ellen had been pronounced dead and accompanied Ellen out to the car that went straight to the morgue.

She received a phone call that night or in the morning after Ellen died, asking if the police was done and the Schwartzmann’s could pick up Essentials that were understandably overlooked the day before.

She checked with the police who said sure it’s not a crime scene - and here’s the number to the crime scene clean up crew - go ahead and have it cleaned to minimise the horrible experience of having to walk around where your relative (to be) had bled out on the floor.

That officer was sure it was unaliving. I am not sure how, but he/she was.

IMHOO

It seems more like the police had something else they wanted to do, so they took the word of the most likely suspect that it was suicide, and closed the investigation. There's no way it was suicide.

 

[snarast]

It seems more like the police had something else they wanted to do, so they took the word of the most likely suspect that it was suicide, and closed the investigation. There's no way it was suicide.

Agreed. I can’t get over how Dr Osbourne’s honor as an MD was besmirched here.

I know he made a few mistakes - didn’t note evidence of abuse, missed a few stab wounds and the fresh bruising on her neck, the streaks of blood defying the law of gravity, etc…

But he called it as he saw it and he knew it was homicide. He preserved specimens because even though he may be flawed in some ways, he had the moral compass to call it as he saw it.

Too bad nobody respected him enough to ask for his official verdict - HOMICIDE.

IMHOO

 

[rescuemom]

Agreed. I can’t get over how Dr Osbourne’s honor as an MD was besmirched here.

I know he made a few mistakes - didn’t note evidence of abuse, missed a few stab wounds and the fresh bruising on her neck, the streaks of blood defying the law of gravity, etc…

But he called it as he saw it and he knew it was homicide. He preserved specimens because even though he may be flawed in some ways, he had the moral compass to call it as he saw it.

Too bad nobody respected him enough to ask for his official verdict - HOMICIDE.

IMHOO

Someone needed for it to be a suicide

 

[snarast]

The Consult dropped the first of a two parter where they analyse the October medical report.

They’re a very levelheaded bunch and they seem pretty perplexed. Excellent as always.

 

[rescuemom]

Could there possibly be justice for EG and her parents in 2026 ?????