the photos of the door don’t consistently look the same over time, which is confusing. Hopefully someone has the original photos.
Yeah, 6+ cm into the neck and brain (N and T) are about as far from superficial as it gets.
Have we seen that pathologist's report that supports that? I must apologize because I have not kept up on this thread very well.
Idk but her parents and independent pathologists have and those injuries have been ignored by those who wish to push the narrative that EG did this to herself and focus only on the knife wounds. One could argue that she took a knife to herself but it is not believable that she hit herself on the head, tried to strangle herself and also stab herself. All have to be considered. She had bruises in different stages of healing. IMO, this was not the first time she was attacked.
Since the knife wound up embedded in EG's chest, with these 6+ cm wounds to her neck and brain, is it even possible for her to do that? After inflicting those neck/brain injuries (if not superficial) to then forcefully bury the knife into her chest? That had to be the last wound, if she did all that herself. And in doing so, to not have hardly any blood found on her hands or the white towel found in her left hand?
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When I look at the picture of the door, it seems so weird and, IMO, it doesn't make sense that a crowbar or any tool could make this damage. It looks too small, too clean, too perfect. I have a lot of doubt on the "force" he used to open the door. I could be wrong and that's exactly what a crowbar could do to a door when someone opens it forcefully but I'm just so suspicious. The fact that nothing fell on the floor or that the screws are still attached makes me believe he didn't use any type of force to open it, or he did but from the inside to try and make it look like he did it from the outside. that's just my opinion though.
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Was there any clear damage to the door frame?? Experts have said that he would have had to break/damage the door frame to get past the latch. Remember all that anyone knows comes from SG.When I look at the picture of the door, it seems so weird and, IMO, it doesn't make sense that a crowbar or any tool could make this damage. It looks too small, too clean, too perfect. I have a lot of doubt on the "force" he used to open the door. I could be wrong and that's exactly what a crowbar could do to a door when someone opens it forcefully but I'm just so suspicious. The fact that nothing fell on the floor or that the screws are still attached makes me believe he didn't use any type of force to open it, or he did but from the inside to try and make it look like he did it from the outside. that's just my opinion though.
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These are excellent questions. I really don’t think it’s possible - but I’m not a pathologist.
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Some have theorized that Ellen used her job as an excuse to why she was stressed, unhappy — not herself. When, in reality, it was her relationship that was making her miserable. She was probably ashamed and embarrassed to admit her vibrant, successful fiance was an insecure, controlling monster.According to this timeline, Sam was confirmed to be out of the apartment at 4:45 and at the gym. Ellen was still using her laptop at 4:46 (I feel like a lot hinges on this fact, where does it come from?) And then Sam is at the gym until 5:30, visually confirmed. Ellen did not answer a phone call at 5:24.Ellen Greenberg Timeline
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So either she was dead when he left the apartment and the computer usage is incorrect, or she was still alive but missed a phone call at 5:24 (in the bathroom perhaps? Or dead/dying?) At 5:30 he leaves the gym and by 5:44 he was being loud enough to attract attention from the neighbors. If he was the perp, that doesn't leave much time for the deed. That's assuming he was finished by the time he started attracting attention.
How did no one hear anything? A neighbor claims to have heard Sam the entire time he was trying to get into the apartment, but no one heard any struggle or screaming? If a stranger got her, it must have happened very quickly and quietly.
Did they estimate time of death later? If she'd been dead for awhile, I would hope that would be obvious. Did she normally lock the latch when home alone? How hard are those to circumvent, anyway? If she let someone in and they murdered her, how did it get relocked? How long does blood take to dry? How dry was her blood?
The bruises on her neck are fascinating, but she had previously searched For "suffocation." Could she have tried to cut off her own air supply? Why didn't she just take the rest of her sleeping pills and klonopin?
Why did she hate her job so much? Why were her parents weird about her taking meds to feel better? What time that day were grades due? Did she finish submitting grades or not?
This case is so bizarre...there's not enough evidence for anything really, and yet something happened! I wonder why they haven't changed it to Undetermined. That makes the most sense to me.
ETA: the TOD was estimated to be within the hour, and her phone was left in the bathroom. I'm real curious about that phone. Wonder what she was looking at last.
You raise very good points but can't really be answered facually because there was no investigation. What happened after is most concerning to me. Why the need for a closed door meeting and the flip flop of ME reports? Of course subsequent ME analysis is only off of a report by the original view and inspection of the body. Why the immediate cleanup of the apartment?? Not normal and customary, IMO. This to me is suspicious and reeks of cover up.According to this timeline, Sam was confirmed to be out of the apartment at 4:45 and at the gym. Ellen was still using her laptop at 4:46 (I feel like a lot hinges on this fact, where does it come from?) And then Sam is at the gym until 5:30, visually confirmed. Ellen did not answer a phone call at 5:24.Ellen Greenberg Timeline
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So either she was dead when he left the apartment and the computer usage is incorrect, or she was still alive but missed a phone call at 5:24 (in the bathroom perhaps? Or dead/dying?) At 5:30 he leaves the gym and by 5:44 he was being loud enough to attract attention from the neighbors. If he was the perp, that doesn't leave much time for the deed. That's assuming he was finished by the time he started attracting attention.
How did no one hear anything? A neighbor claims to have heard Sam the entire time he was trying to get into the apartment, but no one heard any struggle or screaming? If a stranger got her, it must have happened very quickly and quietly.
Did they estimate time of death later? If she'd been dead for awhile, I would hope that would be obvious. Did she normally lock the latch when home alone? How hard are those to circumvent, anyway? If she let someone in and they murdered her, how did it get relocked? How long does blood take to dry? How dry was her blood?
The bruises on her neck are fascinating, but she had previously searched For "suffocation." Could she have tried to cut off her own air supply? Why didn't she just take the rest of her sleeping pills and klonopin?
Why did she hate her job so much? Why were her parents weird about her taking meds to feel better? What time that day were grades due? Did she finish submitting grades or not?
This case is so bizarre...there's not enough evidence for anything really, and yet something happened! I wonder why they haven't changed it to Undetermined. That makes the most sense to me.
ETA: the TOD was estimated to be within the hour, and her phone was left in the bathroom. I'm real curious about that phone. Wonder what she was looking at last.
I am not really so on top of all the facts, having only paid attention to this case on and off. Just looking at that crucial timeline point that you have raised - was the laptop use a proof that she was alive when fiance left the apartment at 4:45?According to this timeline, Sam was confirmed to be out of the apartment at 4:45 and at the gym. Ellen was still using her laptop at 4:46 (I feel like a lot hinges on this fact, where does it come from?) And then Sam is at the gym until 5:30, visually confirmed. Ellen did not answer a phone call at 5:24.Ellen Greenberg Timeline
Discover the story of Ellen Greenberg: her life, career, and the shocking events that led to her tragic death. Explore the timeline of this young teacher's life.
So either she was dead when he left the apartment and the computer usage is incorrect, or she was still alive but missed a phone call at 5:24 (in the bathroom perhaps? Or dead/dying?) At 5:30 he leaves the gym and by 5:44 he was being loud enough to attract attention from the neighbors. If he was the perp, that doesn't leave much time for the deed. That's assuming he was finished by the time he started attracting attention.
How did no one hear anything? A neighbor claims to have heard Sam the entire time he was trying to get into the apartment, but no one heard any struggle or screaming? If a stranger got her, it must have happened very quickly and quietly.
Did they estimate time of death later? If she'd been dead for awhile, I would hope that would be obvious. Did she normally lock the latch when home alone? How hard are those to circumvent, anyway? If she let someone in and they murdered her, how did it get relocked? How long does blood take to dry? How dry was her blood?
The bruises on her neck are fascinating, but she had previously searched For "suffocation." Could she have tried to cut off her own air supply? Why didn't she just take the rest of her sleeping pills and klonopin?
Why did she hate her job so much? Why were her parents weird about her taking meds to feel better? What time that day were grades due? Did she finish submitting grades or not?
This case is so bizarre...there's not enough evidence for anything really, and yet something happened! I wonder why they haven't changed it to Undetermined. That makes the most sense to me.
ETA: the TOD was estimated to be within the hour, and her phone was left in the bathroom. I'm real curious about that phone. Wonder what she was looking at last.
That's what I'm wondering. Was it, say, just a random keystroke anyone could have done? Or was she still posting grades?
would like to know more information about both these people. I had thought that SG just went on with his life after this but maybe not. EG could have had a lot of problems and still been murdered- I am confused about some of the crime scene areas seeming clean if this was an act of crazed anger. Was it pre-planned or not? I agree that SG had opportunity/possible motive/access... So many people have "cold feet" before a marriage- even without any DV, people start thinking about eternity and it scares them. IMO. Would like to know if EG had any history of self harm ... women really do not usually stab themselves. file:///C:/Users/lutac/Downloads/singh-et-al-2014-suicidal-death-due-to-stabbing-a-case-of-rare-occurrence.pdf; "According to WHO estimates, more than 700,000 people die each year due to suicide and suicides performed with a bladed weapon account for approximately 1.6%–3% of all suicides."https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1155/2024/3017903 (both of these articles have some very clinical pictures) I also looked for CDC data and it does not even have data charts for knives- mostly firearms.
