PA - Ellen Greenberg, 27, Philly teacher’s brutal stabbing, ruled suicide but possible homicide, Jan 2011

[snarast]

That 911 call has so many red flags it could be stitched into a blanket.

“Oh my gosh, she stabbed herself!”
“She fell on her knife!”
“There’s a knife sticking out of her heart!”

A) Who discovers a knife stuck in someone’s chest and automatically assumes that person stabbed themselves? Door locked or not, that’s abnormal.
B) What are the chances that someone would (or even could) fall on a knife and stab themselves in “the heart” this way?
C) How did he immediately know the knife was stuck in her heart? He was hardly a medical professional. And by hardly, I mean not at all.

He also wastes a solid 30 seconds needlessly explaining how he left his apartment x amount of time ago and then he returned but couldn’t get inside and he had to break down the door and blah blah blah before getting to the part where someone he loves desperately needs medical attention.

Hard to argue against. Anyhow, the documentary is excellent - allows for a glimpse of the pain felt by so many in Ellen’s community.

Someone should think about establishing procedures to ensure the communication between LE and ME - and the family - follows the proper iterative protocol.you can’t have crime scene clean ups prematurely. It’s irreversible.

 

[Sor Juana]

Where Is Ellen Greenberg's Fiancé Now?

Ellen's loved ones noticed some changes in her behavior after she and Goldberg began dating. Her best friend Alyson Stern recalled Ellen spending more time with Goldberg and his family and seeing less of her own friends, noting that Ellen was "closed off" about her wedding plans. Meanwhile, her colleagues noticed that she almost never wore her engagement ring, but that Ellen just told them she didn't feel like wearing it because it rolled around her finger.

 

[cherrymeg]

Hard to argue against. Anyhow, the documentary is excellent - allows for a glimpse of the pain felt by so many in Ellen’s community.

Someone should think about establishing procedures to ensure the communication between LE and ME - and the family - follows the proper iterative protocol.you can’t have crime scene clean ups prematurely. It’s irreversible.

I’ll give someone a pass for being shocked but that doesn’t mean what they say is right. You find a dead body you might say whatever pops into your head. If you aren’t the killer and had to unlock a door you might think murder isn’t possible. I think the fiancé is suspicious. This doesn’t seem like a suicide.

 

[bombardier]

One of the worst USA miscarriages of justice in recent years IMO. Absolutely embarrassing, and I think the legal system knows how embarrassing it looks for them and is thusly dragging their feet.

 

[snarast]

I had not noticed how cornered Ellen seems to have been in the kitchen. She’s just inbetween the kitchen benches that meet at a 90 degree angle. Like she had no way to get away from an assailant.

Every new shot of the crime scene is revealing.

 

[snarast]

I also think the MD should have assessed the probability of the three scenarios given that tool we call logic:

1) body did not have time to respond
2) post mortem stab by another after death
3) postmortem incision by mistake at the autopsy.

1) sound really unlikely to me, I’d like to know why a similar pattern could not be found in the last stab - the one to the heart - if so. The heart stab is the last stab, right? The heart tissue had time to respond, I take it? If it’s not the last stab - well - someone would have to take out the knife of her heart and stab her in the back. And then put the knife back into the heart.

Does anybody think she could do THAT to herself as well?

IMHOO

 

[Chimera]

I also think the MD should have assessed the probability of the three scenarios given that tool we call logic:

1) body did not have time to respond
2) post mortem stab by another after death
3) postmortem incision by mistake at the autopsy.

1) sound really unlikely to me, I’d like to know why a similar pattern could not be found in the last stab - the one to the heart - if so. The heart stab is the last stab, right? The heart tissue had time to respond, I take it? If it’s not the last stab - well - someone would have to take out the knife of her heart and stab her in the back. And then put the knife back into the heart.

Does anybody think she could do THAT to herself as well?

IMHOO

All good points !
The severity of the wounds makes it 100 % unlikely Ellen did this to herself !
Imo.