PA - Five girls dead, 5 injured in Amish school shooting, 2 Oct 2006

  • #281
winteryns said:
The three girls in Children's in Philly are all still alive.

That's wonderful news.
 
  • #282
kcksum said:
They came to our home town after a soldier died and the response to shut them out was amazing. Our fire and ladder trucks came and tied a huge (I mean huge)american flag between the two ladders. they then promptly lowered the flag down in front of the protesters who were given a designated place to stand. The family filing into church never saw or heard these freaks, all they saw were the faces of every fire fighter, ems worker, and police officer in single file with that huge american flag behind them. It was awesome. I can't for the life of me understand why this church has any members if their into this, and how they have stayed in good standing with the Baptist convention is beyond me.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I think that was a fantastic thing for your town members to do. I would have been proud to have stood in that line.
 
  • #283
MNBC is saying they may "tear down the schoolhouse "rather then have the kids go back to it.
Also they said there have been 5 dead and 5 still in the hospitals of the little girls who where shot.
A press conference right now.........on MSNBC.
State police are going to walk the press to the front of the school for photos at 1PM the media must move down the road. To the Georgetown NMC......
This will be a good spot to see the funeral processions the state police stated.
The trooper stated this meeting was for media and for getting school pictures of the school.....I am sure it is just for the outside of this school.
 
  • #284
kcksum said:
They came to our home town after a soldier died and the response to shut them out was amazing. Our fire and ladder trucks came and tied a huge (I mean huge)american flag between the two ladders. they then promptly lowered the flag down in front of the protesters who were given a designated place to stand. The family filing into church never saw or heard these freaks, all they saw were the faces of every fire fighter, ems worker, and police officer in single file with that huge american flag behind them. It was awesome. I can't for the life of me understand why this church has any members if their into this, and how they have stayed in good standing with the Baptist convention is beyond me.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Maybe someone should make sure the fire dept. in Lancaster .....or possiably were they have sent the Media to by the Georgetown Methodist Church...
Make sure they know what is up.......so they can do the same to these people. I think that was a great idea.........obviously planned ahead as to where to put the protesters and how to work the trucks and the flag.
That is what we'd all like to see. In fact most of us would stand and hold the flag in front of them....Because this entire event is just too harsh and unbelievable as it is. CNN is reporting there will be 4 funerals tomorrow and one on friday. Also that the gunman spent a week planning this horror.
Also confirmed 5 dead girls and 5 in the hospital. Keep praying......
 
  • #285
Sundayrain said:
MNBC is saying they may "tear down the church "rather then have the kids go back to it.
Also they said there have been 5 dead and 5 still in the hospitals of the little girls who where shot.
A press conference right now.........on MSNBC.
State police are going to walk the press to the front of the school for photos at 1PM the media must move down the road. To the Georgetown NMC......
This will be a good spot to see the funeral processions the state police stated.
The trooper stated this meeting was for media and for getting school pictures of the school.....I am sure it is just for the outside of this school.
It's not a church, it's a schoolhouse. The Amish take turns having church in their homes. I think tearing it down is a good idea.
 
  • #286
ljwf22 said:
It's not a church, it's a schoolhouse. The Amish take turns having church in their homes. I think tearing it down is a good idea.
Oh my.......yes.......sorry......I was doing two things at once.
Yes.........Schoolhouse.
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  • #287
englishleigh said:
Gov. Rendell should have them all locked up for disturbing the peace. What happened to these little girls is not in any way connected to Iraq. This should not be allowed to happen at ALL. (And I never thought these idiots should be allowed to protest at soldiers' funerals, either.)

We had a soldier from our town get killed in Iraq and these nutjobs came here to protest at the funeral. :doh: A lot of residents protested against THEM. :woohoo:
That inbred group of nutjobs had announced they would be 'protesting' a soldier's memorial service in my area. They never showed, but the Patriot Guard sure did. A girl in my neighborhood writes to soldiers and got her whole family to be among the supporters outside the service. The Patriot Guard is having a ceremony this weekend to honor the girl for her support.
 
  • #288
Ya know I was just watching the FOX reporter get really angry about this protest. The community is vowing to keep the protesters away.

I'm within a short driving distance from Lancaster....I tell you I'm very tempted to ride over there tomorrow to see if I can help put these hellhounds in their place....only I'm afarid I just might smack the 🤬🤬🤬🤬 out of everyone of them for even considering to do such an atrocious thing...

I'd also like to give comfort in anyway I can. I'm having a really hard time with this senseless horrible thing that has happened to these people.

I just saw a clip on FOX of the little Amish boys all sittting together....knowing they were in that school too and had been spared...I just want to hold each one of them....:(

I really might go...if I can get out of work....
 
  • #289
It would be easy for the English neighbors to block the roads. The roads that the houses are on are so narrow that a tractor or manure spreader or a couple of SUV's would work.

Turn loose some dogs and a bull or two in the adjacent fields so they can't hike in and everything will be fine.

It's especially annoying that they would do this when the killer is a HETEROsexual male.

What useless turds.
 
  • #290
[font=Arial, Helvetica]"Here in Lancaster County, funeral and burial usually takes place three days after death. A funeral director from the local area assists in a minimal way, which usually includes embalming, and sometimes includes supplying the coffin and the hearse. In death, as in life the simplicity is evident. A plain wooden coffin is built. Often it is six-sided with a split lie - the upper part is hinged so it can be opened for viewing the body. It is very simple - no ornate carving or fine fabrics. Traditionally a woman will wear the white apron she wore on her wedding day. In some Amish communities both men and women wear white for burial. The tone of the two-hour Amish funeral service is hopeful, yet full of admonition for the living. There are no eulogies. Respect for the deceased is expressed, but not praise. A hymn is spoken but not sung. There are no flowers. The grave is hand dug in an Amish church district cemetery. There will be only a simple tombstone to mark the spot, much like all the other tombstones in the cemetery - in death as in life, we are all equal and do not elevate one person above another."[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]This is an example of an Amish funeral in the Lancaster area.......it eludes the peaceful,calm, oneness of these people. Simple and equal.
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  • #291
Our world is definately changing...Fox says the protesters will definately be kept away by the community. Any church upholding these protesters is a disgrace to America. The protesters need to go to the schools & protest safetly for our children.....not harass families mourning. Shame, shame, on them this is a disgrace to our society!!

Leave the families mourn.......goes to show how the sickos have more rights then normal people have. Something seriously needs done.:doh:
 
  • #292
>Something is not right in any form when people are allowed to protest at a funeral. Maybe there needs to be a new law. <



There was a law like this passed in MO recently and the ACLU promptly filed suit in behalf of this church to protect it's constitutional right to free speech.

Apparantly people do not have a right to grieve and bury their dead in peace in this country.

I do indeed fear that if they continue their protests that something bad is going to happen.
 
  • #293
  • #294
FRANKFORT, Ky. — Persistent protesters from a Kansas church wouldn't be welcome at Kentucky funerals under a bill called out of a state Senate committee yesterday.

The legislation itself will be the target of yet another protest by Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. Members of that church, calling Kentucky legislators "demagogues masquerading as statesmen," say they will be at the Capitol on Feb. 8. They've also planned a protest the same day at a memorial for Fort Campbell soldiers killed in Iraq.

"It's just not right," said state Sen. Tom Buford, R-Nicholasville, sponsor of Senate Bill 93. "They're attacking the military on our own soil, and we are doing nothing about it."

Senators moved yesterday to expedite the bill, which would allow police to charge protesters at a funeral with disorderly conduct. A similar measure, House Bill 333, is pending action in a House committee.

The Kansas group routinely protests U.S. soldiers' funerals across the country, carrying signs such as, "Thank God for IEDs," the improvised explosive devices used by insurgents. Members also went to West Virginia to protest at the funerals of dead coal miners last month.

The group, largely the extended family of the Rev. Fred Phelps, sees the deaths as a sign of God punishing America for tolerating gays.

A small group of the protesters gathered outside a chapel in Buckhannon, W.Va., on Jan. 15 with signs reading, "Thank God for Dead Miners," "God Hates Your Tears" and "Miners in Hell."

That protest prompted West Virginia lawmakers who represent the Sago families to propose a bill on Jan. 31 to keep such pickets 500 feet from a funeral or memorial service or risk a felony charge punishable by up to five years in prison and a $2,000 fine.

"It just keeps them away from the families," said West Virginia Delegate Bill Hamilton, an Upshur County Republican whose district includes Sago and who knew two of the miners killed. "They still can protest and exercise their First Amendment rights, but they shouldn't be close to the families."

The region's delegates were joined by colleagues representing Logan County, where two miners died after a Jan. 19 belt line fire at the Aracoma Alma No. 1 mine. The Kansas group had threatened to protest outside the services held over the weekend for miners Don I. "Rizzle" Bragg, 33, of Accoville, and Ellery "Elvis" Hatfield, 47, of Simon, but its members did not show up.

"It's just inhuman for a group that says it's coming in the name of the Lord to protest a funeral," said state Delegate Jeff Eldridge, D-Logan and a co-sponsor. "That's why we're doing what we're doing."

In Illinois, a legislative committee advanced a bill last week that would bar protests within 200 feet during services and 30 minutes before and after them. In West Virginia, Hamilton has also sponsored a yet-to-be-introduced measure that would set the boundary for funeral pickets at 1,000 feet.

Phelps' group did not respond to an e-mail requesting comment on the West Virginia bill. A statement posted on its Web site criticizes such legislation and says it helps spread the group's message.

"We already stand a reasonable distance from the funeral events," it said. "Anything more than about 100 feet will go too far, in most locations, so they will be subject to challenge."

According to the National Council of State Legislatures, lawmakers in Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Virginia, West Virginia and Wisconsin are considering legislation that would limit protests at funerals.

more at the link http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=16414

I like the idea of letting some dogs and a few bulls loose in the surrounding fileds too. This has got to stop. I am all for freedom of speach but this is taking it a little bit to far. There is a time and place for everything, this is not the time or place for this BS!
 
  • #295
strach304 said:
I am so with you on this and very happy to report that my little granddaughter is staying with me and brought home a paper yesterday announcing the new lockdown enacted at her school because of the recent incidents. The doors stay locked the entire time, anyone coming there must now ring the bell and go through id, etc. to be buzzed in including parents at the side door only. The lobby has now been cut off completely and parents picking up their children have to wait outside and the children are let out the exit to them. I don't see even this as fullproof 100% just like anything but I applaud their immediate response and effort for a very serious situation where the security issues are still a concern and will take more time to implement.
That is awesome....It's to bad is doesn't become mandatory in all schools. After this brutal attack, it proves it can happen anywhere at anytime. I sincerely feel not enough is being done to insure the kids are safe at school or else this wouldn't be happening.

Our government is being very lax in taking care of this horrendous problem. The sicko who did this should be drug behhind the buggies, dead or alive & the world shown we're no longer going to tolerate this from anyone. I may be a hard nose but the time has come when we need to stop taking this abuse.
 
  • #296
Mike Gallagher has offered the group air time on his show in exchange for them skipping the funeral. Hopefully the group will take him up on the offer and the listeners will just mute the sound for that hour while they blather.

This group also protested the funerals of some of the miners who died in the mine accidents holding up their signs "Thank God for Dead Miners". This is the type of hate group that the ACLU feels the need to protect.

I honestly believe that this group has a agenda that has nothing to do with homosexuality. The Amish don't go into the military and their religious beliefs would also make them against homosexual behavior.
 
  • #297
Shadow205 said:
Here is a link to the Press Release issued by the Westboro Baptist Church:

http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/oct2006/20061003_pennsylvania-school-girls.pdf

Anyone not familiar with Fred Phelps and his group should read some of the things on the website if you can stand to read it. :furious:
I'm quoting myself :confused: but I wanted to bring this link up to everone's attention. You need to take a look to get a full understanding at how evil this group really is.
 
  • #298
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]Anna Mae Stoltzfus
[/size][/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Published: Oct 04, 2006 EST

[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1][/size][/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Anna Mae Stoltzfus

Anna Mae Stoltzfus, 12 year old daughter of Christ K. and Lizzie L. Allgyer Stoltzfus, of 1931 Mine Rd., Paradise, died Monday October 2, 2006

Anna Mae was a 7th grader at West Nickel Mine Parochial School, Paradise and attended the Old Order Amish Church.

Surviving in addition to her parents are: six brothers, Christ Jr., Samuel, Paul, Leon, John, and Steven Stoltzfus all at home; one sister, Sarah Ann Stoltzfus at home; paternal grandparents, Samuel and Lydia Stoltzfus of Quarryville; and maternal grandparents, John and Sarah Allgyer of Coatesville.

Funeral services will be held at the Ivan Petersheim residence, Mine Rd., Paradise, on Friday at 9:00 a.m. (EST). Interment in Bart Cemetery, Georgetown. Friends may call at the late home from the time of this notice until the time of the service.

Please omit flowers. Contributions for all victims may be sent to Nickel Mine School Victims Fund, c/o Hometown Heritage Bank, P.O. Box 337, Strasburg, PA 17579.

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]Marian S. Fisher
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Published: Oct 04, 2006 EST

[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1][/size][/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Marian S. Fisher

Marian S. Fisher, 13 year old daughter of John S. and Linda Stoltzfus Fisher, of 1977 Mine Rd., Paradise, died Monday, October 2, 2006.

Marian was an 8th grader at West Nickel Mine Parochial School, Paradise and attended the Old Order Amish Church.

Surviving in addition to her parents are: four brothers, Christ, Elmer, Reuben, and Daniel Fisher all at home; two sisters, Barbara and Emma Fisher both at home; paternal grandparents, Reuben B. and Emma Stoltzfus Fisher of Paradise; maternal grandparents, Christ and Katie Stoltzfus Stoltzfus of Leola; paternal great-grandmother, Lizzie S. Fisher of Paradise; and maternal great-grandparents, Jonas and Annie Stoltzfus of Honey Brook.

Funeral services will be held at the late home on Thursday 12:00 p.m. (EST). Interment in Bart Cemetery, Georgetown. Friends may call at the late home from the time of this notice until the time of the service.

Please omit flowers. Contributions for all victims may be sent to Nickel Mine School Victims Fund, c/o Hometown Heritage Bank, P.O. Box 337, Strasburg, PA 17579.

Furman Home for Funerals, Leola, Pa.
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]Naomi Rose Ebersol
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Published: Oct 04, 2006 EST

[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1][/size][/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Naomi Rose Ebersol

Naomi Rose Ebersol, 7 year old daughter of Amos and Katie Ann Fisher Ebersol, of 1921 Mine Rd., Paradise, died Monday, October 2, 2006.

Naomi was a 2nd grade student at West Nickel Mine Parochial School, Paradise and attended the Old Order Amish Church.

Surviving in addition to her parents are: five brothers, Marcus, Ervin, James, Amos Jr., and Marvin Ebersol all at home; paternal grandparents, Isaiah and Malinda King Ebersol of Leola; and maternal grandparents, Levi and Naomi Beiler Fisher of Bird-in-Hand.

Funeral services will be held at the late home on Thursday at 8:00 a.m. (EST). Interment in Bart Cemetery, Georgetown. Friends may call at the late home from the time of this notice until the time of the service.

Please omit flowers. Contributions for all victims may be sent to Nickel Mine School Victims Fund, c/o Hometown Heritage Bank, P.O. Box 337, Strasburg, PA 17579.

Furman Home for Funerals, Leola, Pa.
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]Mary Liz and Lena Z. Miller
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Published: Oct 04, 2006 EST

[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1][/size][/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mary Liz and Lena Z. Miller

Mary Liz Miller, 8, and Lena Z. Miller, 7, daughters of Christ and Rachel Zook Miller, of 5070 White Oak Road, Paradise, passed away on Tuesday morning from injuries sustained from the incident in Nickel Mines Monday. Mary passed away at Christiana Hospital, Delaware, and Lena passed away at Hershey Medical Center. Both girls were born in Paradise and attended the Old Order Amish Church.

Surviving besides their parents are one sister: Susan Miller and two brothers: Lester and Abram Miller, all at home; maternal grandparents: Elmer and Mary Petersheim Zook of Drumore; and paternal grandparents: Enos and Rebecca Fisher Miller of Paradise.

Funeral service will take place on Thursday, October 5th at 1 p.m. Standard Time from their late home, 5070 White Oak Road, Paradise. Friends may call at the home from the time of this notice until time of service. Interment will be in the Bart Amish Cemetery.

Contributions for all victims may be sent to Nickel Mines School Victims Fund, Homtown Heritage Bank, PO Box 337, Strasburg, PA 17579. Arrangements by the Shivery Funeral Home, Christiana, Pa.
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  • #299
christine2448 said:
Just jumpin in here, what group are ya talking about? HOpe you don't mind me being lazy and no going back, this thread is like 5 pages now!
Fred Phelps & The Westboro Baptist Church.
 
  • #300
Shadow205 said:
Fred Phelps & The Westboro Baptist Church.
I just deleted my post, because I didn't get the question right...I mean, how is the WBC related to this story?

Is their website really godhatesfags?
 

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