Identified! PA - Fort Indiantown Gap, WhtFem 12-20, 609UFPA, extensive dental work, covered w/ plastic, Oct'73 Ruth Elizabeth Brenneman

  • #81
I am currently preparing to submit this case to Syracuse New York PD in connenction to the missing woman by the name of Rosemary Buck. Everything has so far matched and shares a sharp resemblance to this Jane Doe. Stand by for more info Tuesday!
 
  • #82
I am currently preparing to submit this case to Syracuse New York PD in connenction to the missing woman by the name of Rosemary Buck. Everything has so far matched and shares a sharp resemblance to this Jane Doe. Stand by for more info Tuesday!

As far as I understand, Rosemary Buck was not submitted as a possible match. There was a few sleuthers who said they would submit the tip but never did. I did some homework on both cases the other day, and it just seems likely these two could be a match. They are less than 3 hours between each other and Buck went missing less than 2 months before the Jane Doe was found.
 
  • #83
I think this doe has a good possibility to be the remains of Sharon Lynn Pretorius. Sharon was a 13 year old white female with brown hair who went missing in Dayton Ohio, her family believes she was abducted which is probably correct. Her height is 5'7 and she looks like the Jane Doe in question. There's a profile shot of her on the charley project that shows her chin as strong and a front view where it looks tilted. She went missing in September 28 1973 which matches with the death date. She also has a high forehead also look at the nose, the tip does seem to tilt to the right and the bridge to the left. The only problem I see about Sharon is that she went missing from Dayton Ohio, but it's possible her body could of been dumped in Pennsylvania due to the profile showing it's possible the individual was not from the area. Then again Pennsylvania is only one state east of Ohio.


Personally I think she is a good candidate to be this individual and should be considered. There are distinct matches and not really anything to rule her out except the location. I have not seen her mentioned in this thread once so I assume she has not been ruled out as this individual. Also the age, it says the possible age range is 12-20, but most likely 16-20. I think she definitely needs to be looked into it. Sharon's thread on this website does not have a lot of information, her family had her declared dead in 2006 and held a memorial service for her. The body being wrapped in plastic with a label of a fake testing laboratory shows the person who murdered her was obviously paranoid about being caught so it's very possible the individual traveled a state over to Pennsylvania to dump her body.

Something else important to note is that Sharon is not listed on NamUS so an automatic identification could not be made.

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  • #84
Actually my mistake, Sharon is listed on NamUS. I'm not sure why I was not able to find her before but she is on the website. I'm not sure how the system works or if it would of matched her already, but I do think there is enough here for her to be compared to this doe.
 
  • #85
Actually my mistake, Sharon is listed on NamUS. I'm not sure why I was not able to find her before but she is on the website. I'm not sure how the system works or if it would of matched her already, but I do think there is enough here for her to be compared to this doe.

Sharon was submitted to PSP back in 2006. I'm pretty sure she was ruled out by dentals.
 
  • #86
Sharon was submitted to PSP back in 2006. I'm pretty sure she was ruled out by dentals.

If accurate, that makes three known rule outs: Sandra Hopler 1955 Pennsylvania, Sheryl Tillinghast 1956 New York, and Sharon Pretorius 1960 Ohio.
 
  • #87
If accurate, that makes three known rule outs: Sandra Hopler 1955 Pennsylvania, Sheryl Tillinghast 1956 New York, and Sharon Pretorius 1960 Ohio.

Sharon's DNA is in the system, so it also ought to be a ruleout that way.
 
  • #88
***CRITICAL UPDATE***
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I now have some new information on my dogged search for answers involving the Rosemary Buck/Jonestown Jane Doe lead. This could definitely be a must read.

As I mentioned before, the SPD Cold Case Unit contacted me last week in regards to the information I submitted. The cold case detective mentioned that Rosemary Buck had be found on Indian Tribal Lands, but did not specify which state. He had followed up that he would call me in a few days when he got answers. He never called me back and I attempted to chat with the CCU, but I was bumped to the Onondaga Co. Sheriffs CCU. When I contacted OCSO CCU, they told me they were not involved in the case.

When I realized I was getting the reacharound, I stopped co-operating with the SPD and moved on to the Penn. State Police Jonestown Barracks. I attempted to contact Trooper Nathan Trate, who is in charge of this investigation. He did not pick up and I left two messages on his machine. He has not returned my phone calls.

On that note, I moved on to the NAMUS staff. I got a phone call from Dr. Richard Scanlon, an Odontologist for NAMUS yesterday but I was not able to pick up due to me driving on the road. He left a message inquiring more info on the Jane Doe and the potential match that I had. I returned his call and only got a message machine and left a message. He has not returned my phone call.

Then this morning I attempted contact with Carol Schweitzer, who is a consultant with NAMUS and also a key person with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC). And I made contact....finally.

My conversation with Ms. Schweitzer was perhaps the most refreshing of all the attempts I made. After explaining my headache to her about the runarounds I received, I submitted Rosemary Buck as an official potential match. When Ms. Schweitzer looked it up, it was discovered she was submitted in 2015. But when I asked if there was a followup, she said she could not comment on that.

What does that statement tell me? Something recent has happened and I am assuming at this point that Ms. Buck is perhaps the Jane Doe in question due to the simple fact of the confidentiality surrounding this lead. This was a very similar situation with the Lake City John Doe case I worked on. The missing persons information was still up, as well as the John Doe profile, even though an identity was found a year before the arrest. I am assuming the information is classified due to the fact that this is a murder investigation and that they may be zeroing in on a suspect; so they have to be careful not to potentially tip off the suspect.

I ask that everyone following this keep a close eye on this case within the next few months or within the next year. Something big could happen.
 
  • #89
It sounds like you could very well be on to something. If you're right, Rosemary can return home and finally rest in peace under her own name; from what we do know about her she seems to be a deeply troubled woman and she's been away from her home for a long time. That isn't good for anyone under the best of circumstances. If you aren't, we can at least add one more person to the rule out list and Rosemary's family will know that they haven't found her yet and need to keep looking. Best of luck to you with the possible match.
 
  • #90
It sounds like you could very well be on to something. If you're right, Rosemary can return home and finally rest in peace under her own name; from what we do know about her she seems to be a deeply troubled woman and she's been away from her home for a long time. That isn't good for anyone under the best of circumstances. If you aren't, we can at least add one more person to the rule out list and Rosemary's family will know that they haven't found her yet and need to keep looking. Best of luck to you with the possible match.

I really hope that there is a conclusion or rule out soon. I grow a little more hopeful that Rosemary may be identified because of the Cold Case detective in Syracuse saying she was found on tribal lands. If I'm not mistaken, the Fort Indiantown Gap area is sorta considered tribal lands. Hmmmm 🤔
 
  • #91
Add Rosemary Buck to the ruleouts! Just received a call from Trooper Trate at the Jonestown Barracks of the PSP confirming the ruleout.
 
  • #92
Sandra Hopler 1955 Pennsylvania, Sheryl Tillinghast 1956 New York, Sharon Pretorius 1960 Ohio, and Rosemary Buck 1953 New York.
 
  • #93
Jonestown Jane Doe has been unidentified for 44 years today.
 
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  • #96
She reminds me of Carlene....but Carlene disappeared the year before. Someone would have had to have held onto her for a year if this is her. The UID isn't mentioned as having braces but it does say "Extensive Dental Work" with no details of that dental work given.
http://charleyproject.org/case/carlene-sessions-tengelsen
 
  • #97
Bumping.
 
  • #98
Thanks for Bumping, Shadow!

I did receive word from Rosemary Buck’s family a while back that Ft. Indiantown investigators were going to re-examine her case and see if they are one and the same once more. It appeared that they did work toward identifying Rosemary as this Jane Doe but something had happened and it didn’t work out.
 
  • #99
I am new to this thread and was wondering if anyone has looked into the national sanitation foundation? I did some research and they did(still do) have multiple locations, including Washington DC. I also found that they have worked with the military on quite a large scale. The UID was found near the military base there, which is a 2&1/2 hour drive from Washington dc. Have these been crossed-referenced? Also, and I don't know if this means anything, but they also have multiple separate labs but do not say where they are located, and I looked for awhile! Any opinions on this?
 
  • #100
I am new to this thread and was wondering if anyone has looked into the national sanitation foundation? I did some research and they did(still do) have multiple locations, including Washington DC. I also found that they have worked with the military on quite a large scale. The UID was found near the military base there, which is a 2&1/2 hour drive from Washington dc. Have these been crossed-referenced? Also, and I don't know if this means anything, but they also have multiple separate labs but do not say where they are located, and I looked for awhile! Any opinions on this?

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-609UFPA-16-20-covered-w-plastic-Oct-73/page4

I'm not so sure the plastic sheet came directly from the National Sanitation Foundation. I used to work in dietary at a hospital and every piece of equipment we used had the NSF stamp on it. Whoever did this to this woman could have worked in the food service industry. Here is a quote from the National Sanitation Foundation website:

Choosing a product certified by NSF lets you know the company complies with strict standards and procedures imposed by NSF. From extensive product testing and material analyses to unannounced plant inspections, every aspect of a product's development is thoroughly evaluated before it can earn our certification.Most importantly, NSF certification is not a one-time event, but involves regular on-site inspections of manufacturing facilities and regular re-testing of products to ensure that they continue to meet the same high standards required to maintain certification over time. If for any reason a product fails to meet one or more certification criteria, NSF will take enforcement actions to protect you, including product recall, public notification or de-certification.
Products that earn NSF certification are said to be “NSF certified” or “NSF listed” and display the applicableNSF certification mark to show that they have been tested by one of today’s most respected independent product testing organizations.
 

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