PA - Grace Packer, 14, murdered, Abington, 4 July 2016 *Killer died*

[MsMtOlympus]

This is just horrifying. That poor girl. This crime reaches Karla Homolka levels of awfulness.

I thought of Karla Homolka too. (And like Homolka and Bernardo, I'm wondering how many other victims of Packer/Sullivan may be out there. They are clearly both depraved sadists who are capable of the worst.)

 

[BUF]

I think you are correct Boots. (Now I can't even reply to a post!)

Just found this...

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...r/news-story/d29b7b47764c7134c57a5fe1637fdae1

District Attorneys Matthew D. Weintraub said that Grace did not even have a disability.

 

[kaen]

The disability may be connected to special needs at the time of the adoption. I am not sure what was in place when she was adopted but if she had been born addicted and had any other issues present early on she might have qualified for SS adoption assistance.


I found this about financial assistance. I bolded the exception that might have given them an SSI subsidy for the children. I bolded the factor that would have applied b/c t is based on sibling group in No. 1. I also added No. 6 from the page. It is from: http://www.nacac.org/adoptionsubsidy/stateprofiles/pennsylvania.html

WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADOPTION ASSISTANCE?

1. How does Pennsylvania define special needs to determine eligibility?

A child with special needs is defined as a child who meets all three of the following criteria:

The child is free for adoption.
The child has a qualifying factor or condition (see list below).
Reasonable efforts were made to place the child without adoption assistance unless it is not in the child’s best interest; for example, if there is the existence of significant emotional bond between the adoptee and the adoptive parents


For a child to be determined to have a qualifying factor or condition, he or she must meet at least one of the following circumstances:

Be five years of age or older and under the age of 18 or 21
Be a member of a racial or ethnic minority group
Be a member of sibling group of two or more placed together in the same adoptive home BBM
Have a physical, mental, emotional condition or disability
Have a genetic condition that indicates a high risk of developing a disease or disability

6. When do adoption assistance payments begin?

Adoption assistance payments and benefits begin on the effective date of the agreement. That date may be before adoption finalization when all four of the following criteria are met:
• Parental rights to the child under 18 years of age have been terminated.
• Child is placed in the prospective adoptive home.
• The adoption agreement has been signed.
• The adoption petition has been filed.

 

[kdg411]

:grouphug: I have yet to see where Grace was diagnosed by a medical professional with any disability. I'm kind of thinking SP might have had the power to enter a diagnosis in the system as she was an adoption superviser. What would have been the payment they would have received without any disability diagnosis? I think they made it up for more money. Evil entities.

https://timesleader.com/news/623247/authorities-charges-to-be-filed-in-grace-parker-homicide-case

On Nov. 8, officials identified the remains found in Bear Creek Township as those of Grace Packer through dental records and a medical implant device.

As of current there haven't been any MSM articles outlining any specific details regarding Grace's disability. And most likely due to federal privacy laws (HIPPA), those details should not be made public.

Sullivan later told investigators he and Sara Packer began planning the murder of Grace Packer shortly after the girl returned from residing with a family member in North Carolina, which was fall of 2015.

I wonder why Grace was sent to live with this 'family member' and more importantly why she was sent back.

 

[Simply Caustic]

I was an intern in the County Jail in Chicago area...I have some personal, firsthand knowledge of how incarcerated females treat those inmates who abuse children.

If she's not in protective custody, they're going to mess this broad up - bad. She's got a target the size of Antarctica on her back.

Can't say I'm not silently rooting for the drug dealing/gangbanging/street hustling Mommas to find out about her charges...she'd be beaten up brutally, but since I try to to wish physical harm on people, I'll instead hope they just scare her shirtless for her whole sentence.
Nowhere to run in prison, "Mom", kinda like there's nowhere to go when you're bound and gagged in a stifling hot attic.


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[MsMtOlympus]

More from Grace Packer's birth mother. Heartbreaking.

http://www.wfmz.com/news/berks/grace-packers-birth-mother-i-know-justice-can-be-served/257901825

 

[NewMama]

I keep thinking back to SP describing Grace as "overly stubborn." What 14yr old isn't overly stubborn?

I often have to check myself when my kids (5 and under) try my patience. They're KIDS. I'm the adult.

 

[chaotic_idealism]

SP told the police that Grace had an "emotional disorder" and "behavioral issues"; I figured that was why she was labeled as having a disability. She did get disability payments for her, and the amount is what you'd expect for a disabled child. Also, the school noticed that her letter was too advanced for her skills--a typical 14-year-old is nearly at adult level in writing, so Grace might have been behind.

My working theory is this: Grace, because she was adopted, and because she was mistreated, had some kind of emotional or learning disability--the sort that children get when they aren't loved and don't get a safe environment to grow up in; the PTSD and attachment issues from abuse, the emotional instability from dealing with an erratic, abusive parent.

She may have had some physical issues--that medical implant suggests she did. But it could have been anything--an ear tube, a shunt, screws and plates to fuse broken bones or straighten a crooked spine; a pacemaker or automatic insulin pump; a cochlear implant. There are so many possibilities, and not all of them imply a disability.

If SP actually thought that Grace was disabled, she may have used it as a way to rationalize to herself that Grace was disposable, not really going to amount to anything. On the other hand, she might have used the label of "disabled" just to get that monthly payment, and believed that Grace was a rebellious, badly-behaved teenager who needed to be kept in line.

One thing I do know: If Grace was rebellious, then it was because she was fighting to survive.

 

[SandyQLS]

This is the original photo provided by 6ABC. Some media are doctoring it.

From this link: http://breaking911.com/mother-boyfriend-charged-rape-murder-fantasy-14-year-old-daughter/

I thought Sara Parker was a man. Both Sara Parker and Jacob Sullivan are in custody in the Bucks County Jail, but they do not list M/F information.

 

[Tssiemer]

I think she has PCOS. Probably explains the adoption and facial hair.


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[strawberry]

This will be discussed on hln this hour on Primetime Justice


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[strawberry]

This is the original photo provided by 6ABC. Some media are doctoring it.

From this link: http://breaking911.com/mother-boyfriend-charged-rape-murder-fantasy-14-year-old-daughter/

I thought Sara Parker was a man. Both Sara Parker and Jacob Sullivan are in custody in the Bucks County Jail, but they do not list M/F information.

That would be a twist...


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[Lmustang89]

[h=1]Mother's boyfriend charged in death, dismemberment of Grace Packer[/h]
http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/...ng-montgomery-county-girl-20170108-story.html

:furious:

This makes me sick. This is only what we know happened to sweet Grace. This adopted had her since she was a toddler. Who knows what else she suffered in her short lifetime. Brings tears to my eyes. I am so sorry Grace. May you enjoy happiness in your new life up above.

These two - do not pass go, do not go directly to jail but to a pit being dipped in and out of red outs, pouring salt on your wounds for a slow, very slow death.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

There are no words bad enough for this heinous filth that they call human beings. "Evil" isn't even strong enough. It is well beyond that.

 

[Lmustang89]

I was an intern in the County Jail in Chicago area...I have some personal, firsthand knowledge of how incarcerated females treat those inmates who abuse children.

If she's not in protective custody, they're going to mess this broad up - bad. She's got a target the size of Antarctica on her back.

Can't say I'm not silently rooting for the drug dealing/gangbanging/street hustling Mommas to find out about her charges...she'd be beaten up brutally, but since I try to to wish physical harm on people, I'll instead hope they just scare her shirtless for her whole sentence.
Nowhere to run in prison, "Mom", kinda like there's nowhere to go when you're bound and gagged in a stifling hot attic.


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Hmmmm how would one become a pen pal with one of them

 

[Lmustang89]

This makes me sick. This is only what we know happened to sweet Grace. This adopted had her since she was a toddler. Who knows what else she suffered in her short lifetime. Brings tears to my eyes. I am so sorry Grace. May you enjoy happiness in your new life up above.

These two - do not pass go, do not go directly to jail but to a pit being dipped in and out of red ants, pouring salt on your wounds for a slow, very slow death.

Edited to reflect spelling to "ants"

 

[Ontario Mom]

I think she has PCOS. Probably explains the adoption and facial hair.


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Frankly, I don't care one fig whether she has PCOS, PTSD, PMS or any other combo of letters. She's 100% a that watched while her BF raped a child entrusted to her care. She deserves the DP. As does her BF.

 

[strawberry]

Frankly, I don't care one fig whether she has PCOS, PTSD, PMS or any other combo of letters. She's 100% a that watched while her BF raped a child entrusted to her care. She deserves the DP. As does her BF.

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[JadeSLeuth]

Frankly, I don't care one fig whether she has PCOS, PTSD, PMS or any other combo of letters. She's 100% a that watched while her BF raped a child entrusted to her care. She deserves the DP. As does her BF.

Preach OMom!

 

[tlcya]

:grouphug: I have yet to see where Grace was diagnosed by a medical professional with any disability. I'm kind of thinking SP might have had the power to enter a diagnosis in the system as she was an adoption superviser. What would have been the payment they would have received without any disability diagnosis? I think they made it up for more money. Evil entities.

I am not sure what to think about the disability angle. I did note that Grace's remains were, in part, positively identified due to a medical imlpant device and wonder what that was and if it is related to some medical condition or previous surgery for medical abnormality she suffered