PA - Grace Packer, 14, murdered, Abington, 4 July 2016 *Killer died*

[kaen]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcp...y-County-Luzerne-County--409991085.html?amp=y

Who would be his freaking girlfriend? I am sure they weren't referring to Sara. He talks to his babies and calls himself daddy. Disgusting

 

[strawberry]

Back on page 6 we discussed the above. I'm not the lifestyle police. But with these three, obviously there was sexual deviancy.

Now that we know the details of Grace's death; Sara Packers ex-husband David Packer, was charged with sexual assault against a minor. Knowing that SP watched what happened to Grace. Any children who were exposed to these subhumans need to be interviewed.

Oh yeah! I was on to something and didn't know it


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[Bootsctr]

Back on page 6 we discussed the above. I'm not the lifestyle police. But with these three, obviously there was sexual deviancy.

Now that we know the details of Grace's death; Sara Packers ex-husband David Packer, was charged with sexual assault against a minor. Knowing that SP watched what happened to Grace. Any children who were exposed to these subhumans need to be interviewed.

I've just caught up and I believe there are 2 male minors that need to be interviewed - if I am understanding correctly - and at this point I'm not sure I understand anything other than a beautiful teenager's life being snuffed out by very deviant things.

 

[Valkyrii]

Regarding the facial hair, she probably has PCOS - Polycystic ovary syndrome. Facial hair is a common side effect of PCOS.
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[kaen]

What happens between consenting adults is fine with me. Love who you want to love and live a life you want to but don't involve or harm kids.

Did the girl friend not know about this? I wonder. If she did I hope she spends the rest of her life in jail.

He had attacked Grace before, according to MSM. I assume Sara knew. Did the girlfriend?

The girlfriend stayed with them even after they were arrested? I just don't understand.

The good news is the girlfriend saved both of their miserable lives by getting them help. If the girlfriend has children, I hope they are interviewed and safe from any further harm (even if the pervious harm is just that they lived with and were exposed to these raping, murdering monsters). Thanks to her, there will be justice.

 

[cvaldez1975]

Back on page 6 we discussed the above. I'm not the lifestyle police. But with these three, obviously there was sexual deviancy.

Now that we know the details of Grace's death; Sara Packers ex-husband David Packer, was charged with sexual assault against a minor. Knowing that SP watched what happened to Grace. Any children who were exposed to these subhumans need to be interviewed.

This feels like Victoria martens all over again... wtf is wrong w these animals?




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[tlcya]

“I don’t know if you have watched the news lately,” the woman replied, according to the affidavit. “Someone we were involved with was recently...It’s a big mess. It’s a big mess and I don’t really know how to explain it. But oh my God.”

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Later that night, Sullivan’s girlfriend called 911 a second time. She told the dispatcher that after police and medics had left, she found Sara Packer unresponsive inside the bathroom of the home. The woman told officials she then drove her to Abington Hospital.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...tgomery-County-Luzerne-County--409991085.html

 

[Bootsctr]

Right now, I am wondering about Robert Bee and his "mother."

 

[Bootsctr]

Regarding the facial hair, she probably has PCOS - Polycystic ovary syndrome. Facial hair is a common side effect of PCOS.
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Could this be the reason they adopted children? Doesn't PCOS make it hard to conceive a child?

 

[Valkyrii]

Could this be the reason they adopted children? Doesn't PCOS make it hard to conceive a child?

It definitely can!

 

[leep]

Why? Just why????
I love WS but reading break my heart regularly.


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[Rayemonde]

Jmo, but it doesn't sound like the gf knew. And she may have been their next victim if they had gotten away with Grace's murder. If they enjoyed playing out their "rape-murder fantasy" they would have wanted to do it again.

Well done LE for catching them, and not just labelling poor Grace as "another runaway" and forgetting about her. This couple might have turned into serial killers, given their level of absolute depravity. Like Fred and Rosemary West. In fact I bet LE will be looking into their pasts to see if anyone else associated with them disappeared and was never seen again.

 

[strawberry]

What happens between consenting adults is fine with me. Love who you want to love and live a life you want to but don't involve or harm kids.

Did the girl friend not know about this? I wonder. If she did I hope she spends the rest of her life in jail.

He had attacked Grace before, according to MSM. I assume Sara knew. Did the girlfriend?

The girlfriend stayed with them even after they were arrested? I just don't understand.

The good news is the girlfriend saved both of their miserable lives by getting them help. If the girlfriend has children, I hope they are interviewed and safe from any further harm (even if the pervious harm is just that they lived with and were exposed to these raping, murdering monsters). Thanks to her, there will be justice.

That's what I mean I just noticed their unusual lifestyle; never thought it was something nefarious until now.


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[strawberry]

Regarding the facial hair, she probably has PCOS - Polycystic ovary syndrome. Facial hair is a common side effect of PCOS.
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It's not so much the hair that is astounding to me it's the face that she didn't bother to shave it. She wasn't in custody


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[kaen]

That's what I mean I just noticed their unusual lifestyle; never thought it was something nefarious until now.


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The lifestyle is not for me. But, I know people who engage in various forms of sexual relationships. They have kids and are very careful to never involve their them in any way, shape or form.

I think we have seen parents do horrific things (little girl in NM) without a child being adopted. As an adoptive parent, I would like us to be careful to ascribe their behavior as part of an adoption issue--manipulation to get access. The father of Grace was able to get access to children without adopting. I am always a little bewildered when stories begin to focus on the adoption aspect. Adopting a child is a very arduous and painstaking process for the most part (are there some anomalies? yes) by and large, children who are adopted are not abused. I am not sure of the numbers but I would venture to guess that the distribution between birth and adopt parents abusing children is probably similar.

 

[kaen]

It's not so much the hair that is astounding to me it's the face that she didn't bother to shave it. She wasn't in custody



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Many women with excessive facial hair do not shave it or remove it as they see it as part of them. I wouldn't be able to embrace it but I know of many who do.

 

[Gardener1850]

My observations of the probable cause document:

*Snip*

9. The letter from the school file written in March that LE determined could not have been written by Grace seems to indicate premeditation. Could the suspect(s) have attempted something back in March but were unsuccessful or delayed until July?

10. We need a map maker to map out the cell phone tower locations mentioned and the addresses in relation to where she was found. Pretty please?

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-grace-packer-mother-criminal-complaint-20161222-htmlstory.html

Bringing this back up. Now that we know they planned this FOR A YEAR I'm really thinking they tried something back in March that fell through. I wish Grace HAD run away from home. :cry:

 

[tlcya]

The adoptive father of a Montgomery County teenager found murdered in the woods after disappearing five months ago doesn't know who would have wanted Grace Packer dead.
David Packer, of Northampton, said in a brief phone interview that he didn't want to talk about Grace's death or the ongoing murder investigation.

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In 2011, David Packer pleaded to statutory sexual assault after he was charged with indecent deviate sexual intercourse with a girl who was nine at the time of his arrest.
The victim told Northampton police that Packer had assaulted her over a four-year period from 2006 to 2010. Before he pleaded guilty, he was also charged with indecent assault of a second girl, 15 at the time, according to published accounts. Neither of the victims were identified.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...Adoptive-Daughter-Grace-Packer-408851205.html

 

[BUF]

“Unfortunately, Grace Packer was a disposable child to these people,” Bucks County District Attorney Matthew Weintraub said in a statement Sunday.
“Who will now speak for Grace Packer? We will,” Weintraub said, noting that the crimes constitute a potential death penalty case.
Grace was taken in as a foster child at age 3 and later adopted by the woman now charged with killing her, according to investigators.
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Sullivan told investigators the murder was not the first time he had sexually assaulted the girl, according to the affidavit.

http://www.readingeagle.com/news/ar...in-teen-daughters-homicide&template=mobileart

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Sullivan’s and Packer's preliminary hearings in district court are scheduled for Jan. 20.

http://www.montgomerynews.com/publi...cle_ac2eaea4-3f09-5e89-b30d-1a01f79094a9.html


What else will be disclosed then...I'm afraid to think how much worse this already horrible story can get.

 

[tlcya]

Sara Packer worked for the county and supervised adoptions. She was a social worker. (from the video at the http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com link above)

Her husband at the time was charged and convicted of sexually abusing adoptive children in he and Sara's care.

She then hooks up with Sullivan (and possibly his girlfriend) and shares a rape murder fatansy with Sullivan and plots for a year to kill Grace?

Makes me wonder if this alleged hate-fueled rape fantasy is centered on Grace because she blamed Grace for her husband's prosecution for sex crimes against two unnamed child victims and the subsequent loss of her job with social services.

Something very very wrong with this woman. She appears to be a pedophile magnate and the fact that she was in a position at one time that supervised adoptions is frightening.

The adoption process is very stringent and difficult. Parents wanting to adopt go through a lot of hoops and red tape to do so. And this person IMO used her position in order to facilitate her own adoption of children who were then victimized by at least two men in her life.

Disgusting.

Poor Grace.