PA - infant Leon Katz murdered, twin injured, allegedly by babysitter, Pittsburgh- June 24, 2024

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  • #961
Unless they came in through a secret passage, no family (or anyone else) was in there. Just the attorneys and the judge and clerks.
Do you happen to know exactly what the pre-trial conference entails? Was it just as they told you, the setting up of the status hearing dates which precede the Dec 10 trial? And do you think that the trial will in fact begin then, or are they likely to move it up?

This is a bit confusing:
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  • #962
Unless they came in through a secret passage, no family (or anyone else) was in there. Just the attorneys and the judge and clerks.
I thought courts were public buildings to which the public had rights of access? Unless it's a closed hearing, for some unknown reason, but this was just setting a timetable, right?
 
  • #963
Do you happen to know exactly what the pre-trial conference entails? Was it just as they told you, the setting up of the status hearing dates which precede the Dec 10 trial? And do you think that the trial will in fact begin then, or are they likely to move it up?

This is a bit confusing:
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My understanding from today was they would simply set up next hearing and trial dates. I can tell you it lasted less then ten minutes.

ETA: I don’t think the trial date will be moved up. The trial calendars are set for months ahead.
 
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  • #964
I thought courts were public buildings to which the public had rights of access? Unless it's a closed hearing, for some unknown reason, but this was just setting a timetable, right?
Well, I was easily able to enter the courthouse (after metal detectors) and make it to the hallway. The judge’s chambers had a door that they kept locking and unlocking depending on who they were allowing in. I asked if I could enter, they said they’d call for us at 9 am. At 9 am, the judge next door (Flaherty) jovially came out and invited people into his room. Never happened in 327. No announcement. Attorneys were let in, door immediately closed behind them. I tried to enter, but someone was standing in front of the door to not allow me in. No one else was trying to enter and not allowed. Just me. I guess I wasn’t recognized as a party to the case, someone they already knew.
 
  • #965
I thought courts were public buildings to which the public had rights of access? Unless it's a closed hearing, for some unknown reason, but this was just setting a timetable, right?
usually pretrial conferences are just setting dates and sometimes, later on, having the parties agree to some stipulations that define what the case is... IMO.
 
  • #966
Well, I was easily able to enter the courthouse (after metal detectors) and make it to the hallway. The judge’s chambers had a door that they kept locking and unlocking depending on who they were allowing in. I asked if I could enter, they said they’d call for us at 9 am. At 9 am, the judge next door (Flaherty) jovially came out and invited people into his room. Never happened in 327. No announcement. Attorneys were let in, door immediately closed behind them. I tried to enter, but someone was standing in front of the door to not allow me in. No one else was trying to enter and not allowed. Just me. I guess I wasn’t recognized as a party to the case, someone they already knew.
I give you credit for trying. ;)
 
  • #967
I give you credit for trying. ;)
I was excited to be mistaken for a public defender, by a convicted felon in the hallway. I may have a skewed sense of excitement though. Need to get out more often! :D
 
  • #968
I was excited to be mistaken for a public defender, by a convicted felon in the hallway. I may have a skewed sense of excitement though. Need to get out more often! :D
Well, it’s not every day that you can have that kind of experience :p
 
  • #969
I was excited to be mistaken for a public defender, by a convicted felon in the hallway. I may have a skewed sense of excitement though. Need to get out more often! :D
I'm local to Pittsburgh too if you ever want to meet up and attend together.
 
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I’ll be surprised if this jury trial begins this December 2024 as planned. I expect Motion after Motion after Motion to be filed as per usual. This will probably be a high profile trial for our Pittsburgh area, due to it being a murder trial . In my
68 years, I have never received a Notice to appear for a jury selection ! Ever ! I hope my streak is not ended with a Notice at this point. I’m would not want to be a juror for this trial, I don’t think. The death of a little baby , no matter the substance, would be too difficult for me. I remember watching all of the live trials on Court TV from its inception ! I loved watching those trials, I think the Casey Anthony trial caused my divorce, lol along with the OJ trial.
 
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During a pre-trial conference on Friday, the court set a jury trial date for December 10, 2024.

There will be two status hearings before the trial, giving the defence and prosecution a chance to find a resolution outside of court proceedings.

Virzi's lawyer David Shrager told DailyMail.com that they're a long way from any negotiations at this stage.

'We are at the very beginning,' he said.

 
  • #974
During a pre-trial conference on Friday, the court set a jury trial date for December 10, 2024.

There will be two status hearings before the trial, giving the defence and prosecution a chance to find a resolution outside of court proceedings.

Virzi's lawyer David Shrager told DailyMail.com that they're a long way from any negotiations at this stage.

'We are at the very beginning,' he said.

I sure hope they don’t have endless continuences and delays. By ‘negotiations’, do they mean plea deals?
 
  • #975
I sure hope they don’t have endless continuences and delays. By ‘negotiations’, do they mean plea deals?
Who knows? Seems Ms Brittany Chain, Australian reporter for Daily Mail, has more info for us than the local Pittsburgh media does. :rolleyes:
 
  • #976
Who knows? Seems Ms Brittany Chain, Australian reporter for Daily Mail, has more info for us than the local Pittsburgh media does. :rolleyes:
Do you think the journalists in Pittsburgh are being prevented from going by their bosses? I really don’t know how that works, whether they can decide to cover a hearing or if it has to be assigned to them?
 
  • #977
Do you think the journalists in Pittsburgh are being prevented from going by their bosses? I really don’t know how that works, whether they can decide to cover a hearing or if it has to be assigned to them?
No clue. I have not been able to figure out which cases local media will cover, and why some are, and some are not.
 
  • #978
No clue. I have not been able to figure out which cases local media will cover, and why some are, and some are not.
I guess they have to request press passes from their news sites. Maybe it’s a matter of prioritizing. I’m sure if there is a development with more information or if NV appears and cameras are allowed, they will go. At least you’d hope so. Until then, we have you :p ;)
 
  • #979
I thought courts were public buildings to which the public had rights of access? Unless it's a closed hearing, for some unknown reason, but this was just setting a timetable, right?

Nancy Grace actually made that exact comment about 22 minutes into her show posted in this thread. Post 940 - Pg 47 We have open courtrooms, no secret proceedings like you hear about in other countries, you know, like in China and Russia.

That was really strange that they didn’t let you in Steel Town Girl. You don’t have to have a Press Pass to observe; students, writers, neighbors, citizens from other countries, all sorts of people show up to observe our courts everyday. If you are interested you could call or write to the judge to ask why you weren’t allowed in. They may have a good reason - I’m just nosy!
 
  • #980
Thanks for showing up in person and sharing your experience here, @steeltowngirl .

Wonder if the defense team is reading here after your elevator encounter?
 
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