GUILTY PA - Kent, 2, & Brandon Schaible, 7 mos, die as parents rely on faith healing, 2009

[Ausgirl]

And I betcha a fifty the proceeds from the sale of all the "property and vehicles" went straight into the (probably tax free) coffers of the cult leaders...

/fume

Cults are so a pet hate of mine. So many people are sucked in and destroyed every day by predators pretending to be 'religious leaders' or the like. Makes me sick.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Religious beliefs should not take precedence over child abuse and neglect.

My issues with religion (or those that use religion to hide behind) are due to some beliefs that make no practical sense what so ever.

This is just ridiculous and I agree that I would categorize this as a cult not a religion.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

And I betcha a fifty the proceeds from the sale of all the "property and vehicles" went straight into the (probably tax free) coffers of the cult leaders...

/fume

Cults are so a pet hate of mine. So many people are sucked in and destroyed every day by predators pretending to be 'religious leaders' or the like. Makes me sick.

I share that pet peeve with you and it is one of the highest on my list.

 

[seattlechiquita]

I share that pet peeve with you and it is one of the highest on my list.

Ditto. Anything that makes folks believe in a god that is selective, vengeful, and an a-hole ain't right.

 

[fhc]

One saying that I will never forget goes like this:

IT IS IMPORTANT NOT TO BE SO HEAVENLY BOUND, THAT YOU ARE NO EARTHLY GOOD!!!

 

[fhc]

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/b..._ordered_to_stand_trial_for_son_s_murder.html

Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 1:57 PM

Herbert and Catherine Schaible, the Northeast Philadelphia parents who prayed for their sick baby instead of following a court order to take him to a doctor, were ordered to stand trial for third-degree murder and related counts Wednesday afternoon.

Municipal Judge Charles Hayden made the ruling following a preliminary hearing during which Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore vigorously asserted that their failure to get seven-and-a-half-month-old Brandon to a doctor in April amounted to malice, while attorneys for the couple argued that they broke no laws because they did not know he would die because his symptoms mirrored those of a cold or flu.

 

[seattlechiquita]

THIRD degree murder? Seriously? This is not right. I am not impressed.

 

[Filly]

Ex members of Church say death surrounded them.



http://articles.philly.com/2013-06-...ie-faith-tabernacle-two-former-church-members


There's articles exclaiming how this Church went virtually unoticed even though the past deaths were known. Some of them anyway.

 

[Donjeta]

Their pastor, Nelson Clark, has said the Schaibles lost their sons because of a "spiritual lack" in their lives and insisted they would not seek medical care even if another child appeared near death.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...schaible-faith-healing-parents_n_3426944.html

Did they say that they weren't going to comply when they were given probation orders to seek medical treatment for their children?

 

[Elley Mae]

So sad children can not pick their parents. I hope they are found guilty.

 

[Filly]

Family and Church members have raised the bail for Catherine Schaible. However a Judge is waiting until Friday after hearing more evidence from her Attorney and a counter argument from Asst. DA

Gotta get a link.

 

[Filly]

O.K. here's the link.





http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Faith-Healing-Mother-Bail-211994081.html

 

[Filly]

The Mrs. Schaible is out on bail, and under house arrest at her parents home.




http://articles.philly.com/2013-06-...ospel-church-the-schaibles-catherine-schaible

At her hearing the Pastor and Assistant Pastor basically threw her husband under the bus claiming they did not tell the man to not seek medical attention. Obviously she didn't get a say or vote or at least that's what they are seeming to say.

 

[Donjeta]

The Mrs. Schaible is out on bail, and under house arrest at her parents home.




http://articles.philly.com/2013-06-...ospel-church-the-schaibles-catherine-schaible

At her hearing the Pastor and Assistant Pastor basically threw her husband under the bus claiming they did not tell the man to not seek medical attention. Obviously she didn't get a say or vote or at least that's what they are seeming to say.

First Century Gospel Church Pastor Nelson Clark testified that he spoke to Herbert by phone twice in the days before Brandon died. When he told Herbert he might want to call his probation officer, Herbert rejected that, he recalled.

"If he would call anyone, it would be a denial of his faith in God's ability to heal the child," Clark said, paraphrasing Herbert. "I felt that he could let someone know [the child was sick] without denying his faith."

This is the same guy who earlier had said:

Their pastor, Nelson Clark, has said the Schaibles lost their sons because of a "spiritual lack" in their lives and insisted they would not seek medical care even if another child appeared near death.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...schaible-faith-healing-parents_n_3426944.html


I expect the pastor wanted to avoid this unpleasantness by having the probation officer intervene and call CPS in to take the child and get him medical attention. That would have been a win win for everyone. The child might be alive, the family could say they had not broken the tenets of their faith and would not face murder charges and the church would get less negative attention and might even spin it positively, "see, we're being persecuted, they don't respect our faith and won't let God heal our children"

I don't care if she had a vote or not, she was the child's mother and was mentally as capable of taking the phone and calling 911 as anybody else, or if she wasn't she should never have had responsibility for any children to begin with.


The church seems to be taking sides indeed.
June 21:

A Philadelphia judge refused to release Herbert Schaible - the father whose belief in prayer over medicine ended in the deaths of two young sons - after he was described Thursday as "domineering and overbearing" in a letter by his pastor.

The letter by Nelson A. Clark, pastor of First Century Gospel Church in Juniata Park, was disclosed by Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore in a detention hearing for the 44-year-old father of seven.

http://articles.philly.com/2013-06-...-schaibles-lerner-first-century-gospel-church

Clark, however, was not the clergyman in the house praying with the Schaibles when their sons died. That was Assistant Pastor Ralph Myers.

 

[seattlechiquita]

The sect is afraid of prosecution as accessory me thinks. As guilty as the "parents" are, these preachers should also be held so ehow accountable.

 

[OkieGranny]

From February 2014:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/19/us-usa-crime-faithhealing-idUSBREA1I1XJ20140219

A Philadelphia faith-healing father and mother were sentenced on Wednesday to up to seven years in prison for the death of their infant son, the second of their children to die after an illness.

Seven-month-old Brandon Schaible died on April 18 of bacterial pneumonia and dehydration. His parents Herbert and Catherine Schaible were found guilty of third-degree homicide, endangering the welfare of a child and conspiracy...

In 2009, Kent Schaible, age 2, also died of bacterial pneumonia. In the earlier case, the parents were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and put on 10 years' probation on the condition their surviving children got annual physical checkups and were taken to a medical professional if they were ill.