PA - Kenzie Houk, 26, pregnant, murdered, Wampum, 20 Feb 2009

[MeoW333]

The question is though.....why are they in there ? What were/are the charges ?

Murder
Drugs
Domestic Violence
Cutting
?????????????????

And what the median age of these kids ? 5 , 8 , 10 , 13 , 16 , 18 ???

THAT makes a differnce in my opinion.

The youngest i believe is 9 years old, up until 17 years of age. I would say most between the ages 13-15 in there.
I don't know the charges of some of them; it's a psychiatric hospital and the juvenile detention sends ones that get too out of control to the psych hospital until they're "stable" enough to go back to juvie.

 

[passionflower]

Here is a link to our hometown paper for coverage. Sad story for everyone involved, breaks my heart. ncnewsonline.com

Welcome!
Did you read the father of the boy did not stay for funeral visitation, he was all alone. A neighbor says he lost everyone he loed, and X wife (bio mom) dying of cancer...........sad
BUT WHY WASN"T THE AMMO LOCKED UP? Did boy sneak one in pocket?
Was the rest locked up? :furious:

 

[Trino]

This article was wrtten on Sunday morning.
This is so wrong! This is an 11 year old boy. His name should not have been released. Did he change his clothes before he went to school? Shouldn't there be blowback on his clothes and body?
Did he take a shower after doing this?
snipped from article;
{But before he left home on Friday, authorities say, the boy had shot his father's pregnant fiancee in the back of the head as she lay in bed. He then put his youth model 20-gauge shotgun back in his room before going out to catch his bus, police say.}

This shouldn't even be reported until they have some evidence other than inconsistencies in what he said. snipped from article; { Inconsistencies in the child's description of the truck }

According to the article there were "tree cutters" on the property?
Where was the dad of this boy, and unborn son?
snipped from article;
{The boy's father, Christopher Brown, is "a mess" and had no indication his son had a problem with Houk}
If either adult living in the home thought for a second he was a psychopath i seriously doubt they would have let him bring a gun home, with ammo!!!!

I'm disgusted with this journalism, and LE, putting an 11 year old in jail with adults. I really think by reading this article that LE acted on emotion or sensationalism. The kid was still in school when they arrested him? They lost five hours investigating other leads? Hello?
And jumping to the conclusion that he is a psychopath? I want way more evidence, and if anyone deserves to be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, it's a child. To charge him as an adult on a Saturday when no one is working is just soooo wrong. They could have decided that on a Monday. This is just crazy!

The father was at work. I don't see any problem with that. His wife (boy's bio mother) had died of cancer, leaving him to raise the boy. I think he was doing the best he could. He met another woman and was planning to marry her.

Yes. The father is a mess. He lost his wife, his to-be wife, an unborn chld, and, presumeably, the boy.

Somewhere the fact that the boy's bio mother died is being lost. While this is not an excuse, he must have still been dealing with this.

 

[MeoW333]

http://www.wpxi.com/index.html

bio mom battles cancer, maternal grandma interiew

Wow.. the boy should have definitely been in therapy. He was also having to deal with his mother's battle with cancer.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Wow.. the boy should have definitely been in therapy. He was also having to deal with his mother's battle with cancer.

I am not making excuses for this boys actions, but his mom having cancer, *possibly* worrying about losing his dad's love to a new baby and all the regular 11 year old pangs, perhaps just pushed him over the edge? Very sad.

I agree with you about therapy.

 

[brighidin]

The father was at work. I don't see any problem with that. His wife (boy's bio mother) had died of cancer, leaving him to raise the boy. I think he was doing the best he could. He met another woman and was planning to marry her.

Yes. The father is a mess. He lost his wife, his to-be wife, an unborn chld, and, presumeably, the boy.

Somewhere the fact that the boy's bio mother died is being lost. While this is not an excuse, he must have still been dealing with this.

The bio mom is still alive, per an article someone linked. She has cancer, but is in treatment for it.

 

[Trino]

The bio mom is still alive, per an article someone linked. She has cancer, but is in treatment for it.

Sorry, I should check sources better. Thanks for your info.

 

[SewingDeb]

I read somewhere this morning that he is on his way to a juvenile facility.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Here we go again................

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29392898/

Court records show that in 1997, Mildred Krause, while pregnant with Jordan, filed a protection from abuse order against Jordan's father, Chris Brown, alleging that "he drinks heavily, he uses drugs and he has such a temper."
"When I told him i was going back to Florida, he tore up my brother's room. ... He also tried running me off the road when I had the baby with me. ... He told me if I ever broke up with him, he would kill me."
What's not explained is if that's true, why Mildred Krause agreed to allow Chris Brown to have custody of their son. Jordan Brown's defense attorney said the truth will come out and the district attorney, John Bongivengo, said he already knows it.

 

[passionflower]

The father was at work. I don't see any problem with that. His wife (boy's bio mother) had died of cancer, leaving him to raise the boy. I think he was doing the best he could. He met another woman and was planning to marry her.

Yes. The father is a mess. He lost his wife, his to-be wife, an unborn chld, and, presumeably, the boy.

Somewhere the fact that the boy's bio mother died is being lost. While this is not an excuse, he must have still been dealing with this.

Bio-mom is still living, she is battling cancer and wanted dad to give boy a stable life so she gave him custody before she dies. I don't think she will last long now IMOO

 

[Fairy1]

I can't argue with you. It looks like your situation was beneficial to everyone and your kids won. However, many people aren't as in tune with their kids as you. Unfortunately, many parents put their desires for love over the children's need for stability and security. Many mothers ignore red-flags or don't look for them, because they want to keep the man. And some people are great, in-tune, etc, but when they have seen the red flags, maybe it's too late by then. The red flag could be a sign that a person's lovely, devoted spouse is secretly abusing the person's child. So they catch the red flag, but it's too late to turn the clock back on the abuse. I frankly think it's more common for re-marriages or new relationships in our country to be detrimental to the children of the first famil than it is beneficial, unfortunately. What you had was fantastic, but often, it's not. So what does a person do? Take the risk or stay alone? In cases like yours where the kids have essentially lost a parent and could use a great role model, it's a very important question. Your story is what many hope to have but many just can't have it. That's the risk I don't want to take.

Thank you, gitana. We were all VERY lucky and we know it even now - many years later! But you are absolutely right, too many parents put their own desires above the well-being and safety of their children. We see it here everyday. It may very well be that the dad here was trying to create a stable, family-oriented home for his boy, but didn't know how to handle the transition properly. IDK, I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Though it's difficult to overlook the unsecured weapon issue....
:blowkiss:

 

[Fairy1]

Fairy1,

Let me ask you. How would it be any different if her murderer was her husband? IMO it isn't. Bottom line, regardless the age the murderer...he simply thought his own life would be better without her in it, so he simply removed her.

Eleven years old or forty ...the killer believes his own selfish desires are more important than a human life and never consider for a second that they may not get away with it. For some reason people like this think they are smarter and more important than anyone else. The world around them is there to serve their wants and desires and they view people as tools, only as way to get their own needs met.

IMO

Well Linda&NJ, now that we have a bit more information, I feel I should answer this question. YES - it does make a HUGE difference! During childhood, we learn to control our feelings. Anger, jealously, shyness - whatever. Those who don't learn to control their feelings become the adults who kill, rape, steal, etc. The rest of us become regular members of society.

Now, this child is OBVIOUSLY going through some serious changes. Bio mom is dying, dad's hooked up with a new woman who is expecting a new baby boy, has new "sisters" and who knows what else? A child this age does not know how to temper his feelings. Fear, insecurity, rage. Where does a child put all of that if there is no guidance, no understanding, no sensitivity? Oh, and a gun.

 

[MeoW333]

Bio-mom is still living, she is battling cancer and wanted dad to give boy a stable life so she gave him custody before she dies. I don't think she will last long now IMOO

This story is so sad

 

[Openmind]

Well Linda&NJ, now that we have a bit more information, I feel I should answer this question. YES - it does make a HUGE difference! During childhood, we learn to control our feelings. Anger, jealously, shyness - whatever. Those who don't learn to control their feelings become the adults who kill, rape, steal, etc. The rest of us become regular members of society.

Now, this child is OBVIOUSLY going through some serious changes. Bio mom is dying, dad's hooked up with a new woman who is expecting a new baby boy, has new "sisters" and who knows what else? A child this age does not know how to temper his feelings. Fear, insecurity, rage. Where does a child put all of that if there is no guidance, no understanding, no sensitivity? Oh, and a gun.

I am not judging this, but did the parents seperate before the mother became ill with cancer?

 

[Openmind]

Here we go again................

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29392898/

Court records show that in 1997, Mildred Krause, while pregnant with Jordan, filed a protection from abuse order against Jordan's father, Chris Brown, alleging that "he drinks heavily, he uses drugs and he has such a temper."
"When I told him i was going back to Florida, he tore up my brother's room. ... He also tried running me off the road when I had the baby with me. ... He told me if I ever broke up with him, he would kill me."
What's not explained is if that's true, why Mildred Krause agreed to allow Chris Brown to have custody of their son. Jordan Brown's defense attorney said the truth will come out and the district attorney, John Bongivengo, said he already knows it.

What a mess.

 

[Fairy1]

What a mess.

Sure is. I'm sure there is much, much more that will come out here. Things like this don't happen in happy, healthy homes...

 

[Openmind]

Sure is. I'm sure there is much, much more that will come out here. Things like this don't happen in happy, healthy homes...

I agree.

 

[Lovejac]

I am not making excuses for this boys actions, but his mom having cancer, *possibly* worrying about losing his dad's love to a new baby and all the regular 11 year old pangs, perhaps just pushed him over the edge? Very sad.

I agree with you about therapy.

You just described my thoughts after reading that article. Was he in any kind of counseling to help deal with his mother's cancer? Did he even want to go live with his dad? or did he want to be with his mom? This is so sad.

I am glad to hear he's been moved to a juvenile facility.

 

[libraryg]

Some very interesting comments from the locals on this case.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/18788989/detail.html#-

 

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.wfmj.com/Global/story.asp?S=9917086

Pa. boy accused of murder may return to adult jail